(Medicaid is) "Not for Twenty-nine Year Old Males Sitting on their Couch Playing Video Games." At Last, a Senior Republican says . . .

[Slade3200]

If that’s you, I’m sorry, but the gravy train is over

Medical care for illness disease or accidents is not a gravy train and whether you like it or not will happen whether somebody is insured or not if they show up to an Emergency room. It’s just a matter of how the costs are handled. Your position would basically bankrupt and swallow people like this kid for what could be their entire lives while still not covering the costs. Does that make our society stronger and richer? Does it save you tax money? I don’t think so.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Medical care for illness disease or accidents is not a gravy train

Having other people pay for your health insurance for when you do have illnesses is the gravy train.

and whether you like it or not will happen whether somebody is insured or not if they show up to an Emergency room.

I am fine with that. As I said above, they should be billed for all services that use in the emergency room because they choose not to find a job that provides healthcare insurance. Since they are more or less permanent dependents of government, it will be easy for the government to deduct that money from all future checks.

It’s just a matter of how the costs are handled. Your position would basically bankrupt and swallow people like this kid for what could be their entire lives while still not covering the costs.

So, you are saying that it would have been better for that “kid” to get a job? No, of course, you are not saying that. You are saying he should be allowed to be moocher for the rest of his life without the shame of facing the people that he is mooching off of.

Does that make our society stronger and richer? Does it save you tax money? I don’t think so.

You should read the story of the starfish on the beach. Of course, society would be better off with fewer people freeloading off of the healthcare system. But those are not the only. considerations.

But more important is that each former welfare who is pushed into getting a job will find dignity and self-respect.

Note, I do not say “self-esteem.” Self-respect, like other forms of respect, must be earned. a job to support yourself is a good way to earn that respect. Highly recommend.

 

[citygator]

That’s why my advice was “hey, get a full-time job,” Shit for brains.

What are you talking about the one about “0h, I’m in school so I have to have Medicaid!” I finished college with a stay at home wife and two kids. I worked at UPS which did offer health insurance to part-time workers.

It was very hard work, unloading trailers that have been sitting in the Texas sun all day. I did it so that my family could have medical care while I finished my education.

Meanwhile, my tax money was being taken to support people in college for double digit years with no degree yet on student loan playing video games and smoke weed.

If that’s you, I’m sorry, but the gravy train is over

It might be time to rethink whether college is suitable for you if you are not smart enough to devise an answer to that question.

Not every woke crybaby needs a degree in gender studies or critical race theory. As far as I know, they don’t check for that when they are professional protesters.

Obviously, this is very personal for you, which means you are a recipient of Medicaid. Just get a job dude, your life is changing thanks to Donald Trump.

As Speaker Johnson said, there is dignity and work for all, so it will be a change for the better whether you realize it or not.

You are on Social Security. I am in prime earning years paying more in taxes this year than you likely paid over your entire life. I want to end your social security that you never paid for and I hope Trump does that. I cant wait. Why am I paying so much for you to sit home and blog all day?

 

[Slade3200]

Having other people pay for your health insurance for when you do have illnesses is the gravy train.

Unless they are using it to get fake boobs and dick massages… it isn’t a gravy train. It is health care for people in pain

 

[Slade3200]

So, you are saying that it would have been better for that “kid” to get a job? No, of course, you are not saying that. You are saying he should be allowed to be moocher for the rest of his life without the shame of facing the people that he is mooching off of.

Of course it is better for the kid to get a job and have healthcare. That should always be promoted. But we aren’t talking about best case scenarios we are talking about worst case and how to handle situations where the poor and uninsured pay for medical care

 

[Slade3200]

it will be easy for the government to deduct that money from all future checks.

They already do this and that why we have Medicare and Medicaid

 

[Slade3200]

But more important is that each former welfare who is pushed into getting a job will find dignity and self-respect.

I’m all for helping the jobless get jobs and the poor get rich. It’s what our country is all about. But that because a very unlikely possibility if a person is crippled with bankruptcy, no credit, and dept that could last a lifetime of your plan goes into place.

Or are you under the illusion that taking people off Medicaid will magically make all of them find work and successful careers?

 

[Seymour Flops]

You are on Social Security. I am in prime earning years paying more in taxes this year than you likely paid over your entire life. I want to end your social security that you never paid for and I hope Trump does that. I cant wait. Why am I paying so much for you to sit home and blog all day?

What the?

What gives you the idea that I am on Social Security? Or that I never paid for it?

Childish. I am not on Social Security, and since I understand that when you work, you cannot collect Social Security I doubt I ever will.

But I’ve been paying through the notes for Social Security for over 30 years.

I understand you need to dodge the point.

 

[IM2]

(Medicaid is) "Not for Twenty-nine Year Old Males Sitting on their Couch Playing Video Games."​

This doesn't happen.

 

[IM2]

Here's a perspective:

Liberals measure the success of a program by how many people are in it, getting benefits.
Conservative measure the success of a program by how many people don't need it.

In this case, why doesn't a healthy 29-year-old have a job?

Conservatives don't measure success because their policies have been abject failures. They fail because they are based on false premises such as this one.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I’m all for helping the jobless get jobs and the poor get rich. It’s what our country is all about. But that because a very unlikely possibility if a person is crippled with bankruptcy, no credit, and dept that could last a lifetime of your plan goes into place.

Bankruptcy no credit and debt should be motivators to get a job. If you believe they are actually hindrances, you’re welcome to explain now.

By the way, do we really want people who can’t pay their own medical bills to have credit i.e. people lending them money? That is a path to slavery as sure as welfare is.

Or were you also envisioning that I would pay off their credit card bills as well?

Or are you under the illusion that taking people off Medicaid will magically make all of them find work and successful careers?

It would certainly be a motivator.

You seem to forget how desperate the farmers are to have their crops picked now that MS13 is being deported out of the country.

 

[IM2]

citygator,

I understand your sentiment because Seymur Flopps is a prick, but everybody pays into social security. It's taken out of your paycheck. You are paying for YOUR social security.

Seymoreflopped,

Having said that, Seymore STFU with that bs. You don't qualify for Medicaid if you are healthy. But Republican politicians know they can lie to you stooges and you'll believe it.

 

[Slade3200]

Bankruptcy no credit and debt should be motivators to get a job. If you believe they are actually hindrances, you’re welcome to explain now.

Some will get jobs, others will look for easier ways out and sell drugs or strip or committ crimes.

Your “pushes” dont just push people to employment where they face near impossible task of paying off 10s or 100s of thousands of debt with $10-$15 dollar an hour jobs…. They also push people to crime and desperation.

There are smarter ways to “motivate” people to work than threats of lifetime debt or no healthcare

 

[Slade3200]

By the way, do we really want people who can’t pay their own medical bills to have credit

Most people couldn't pay for their medical bills. That’s why we have insurance

 

[Slade3200]

Or were you also envisioning that I would pay off their credit card bills as well?

I was speaking more towards the ability to qualify for a home loan.. not just getting a credit card

 

[IM2]

Bankruptcy no credit and debt should be motivators to get a job. If you believe they are actually hindrances, you’re welcome to explain now.

By the way, do we really want people who can’t pay their own medical bills to have credit i.e. people lending them money? That is a path to slavery as sure as welfare is.

Or were you also envisioning that I would pay off their credit card bills as well?

It would certainly be a motivator.

You seem to forget how desperate the farmers are to have their crops picked now that MS13 is being deported out of the country.

No, it wouldn't. Taking somebody off healthcare is not going to motivate them to work. You want to motivate people to work, then create a natina giving wage f n ess than 15 dlars per hour for al workers 18-up. You idiots want people to put forth maximum effort fr a minimum wage.

But if you are on Medicaid, you probably physically cannot work.

You right-wingers say stuff but don't ever think.

 

[22lcidw]

what if they be paraplegic, 29 and sitting on the couch playing videos?

At some point a real conversation on the American Disabilities Act has to be made. I am not pro or con on this. It is realism. The costs are astronomical and there are people who are playing the system. It affects near everything we do.

 

[IM2]

Seymore,

YOU aren't paying for anyone. Try walking up to somebody, hand them 2 pennies, and then tell them how you're tired of paying their way and see what you get. Because that's how much yu're paying.

 

[hadit]

That’s a BS analysis. Of course the less people that need gov assistance the better, everybody can agree with that.

Right, and the idea behind assistance programs is to get people back on their feet so they don't need it anymore. A trampoline instead of a safety net. Now, there will always be the disabled who cannot work or support themselves and society needs to step up with aid for them, but by and large, get them back to supporting themselves is the goal.

But for those who need it trying to provide the best access and care possible is the objective of who you characterize as the left…. Although I know many good hearted conservatives who care about that as well.

We all want everyone to have access to the best they can get, but reality dictates that we cannot afford to do that, so we do what we can.

Why doesn’t a 29 year old have a job? Too many possible reasons to list. How is that relevant? It’s not like denying him Medicare is going to magically make him get a job

I'm not talking about being out of work for a few weeks, I'm talking about long term unemployed while he can work a job in a job market where UE is very low.

 

[hadit]

Conservatives don't measure success because their policies have been abject failures. They fail because they are based on false premises such as this one.

You need to get out of the basement and meet some real people.