(Medicaid is) "Not for Twenty-nine Year Old Males Sitting on their Couch Playing Video Games." At Last, a Senior Republican says . . .

[Care4all]

. . . the part that should have never been quiet out loud.

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Work requirements for Medicaid. According to Johnson that idea has has 90% approval. Why it isn't 99%, I attribute to the large percentage of people who are net takers of taxes.

Is that the "cuts to Medicaid" that Democrats are so afraid of? Work requirements?

Of course it is. Democrats don't want work requirements for federal "workers," why would they want it for Medicaid dolees?

Nope not the cuts we are afraid of! And 29 year old guys, playing video games is a pittance, if there are any at all....the planned cuts is $800 billion! So the Rs can pay for a tax cut that mostly goes to the top 5% of earners....about 50% of the tax savings in dollars goes to the top 5% of income earners....

Those cuts are MAJOR, HUMONGOUS CUTS to medicaid, which will cut services to rural areas.... Our community health care center where my doctor works would be shut down, which is 4 miles from our home....I will now have to find a doctor and lab, and X-Ray services over 30 miles from where I live.....that stinks, big time...and others will be forced to drive even farther....50 miles or so....that means they would have to take a day off from work just to see a doctor, or get an X-Ray or get lab work done etc....which will lead to them not going at all, likely.

States that expanded Medicaid for those who make too much to qualify for obamacare, will likely be cut off from any healthcare too.... Which is a super duper cut!

And Medicaid to poor senior citizens who can't afford the deductibles of Medicare will be cut.

I'm all for cutting Medicaid to able bodies that do not work, but as mentioned, to cut $800 billion from Medicaid will have to include what I mentioned.

 

[Mac-7]

what if they be paraplegic, 29 and sitting on the couch playing videos?

In that case they have nothing to worry about

 

[Mac-7]

the planned cuts is $800 billion

I dont think so

Thats a lib lie

 

[Seymour Flops]

Having said that, Seymore STFU with that bs. You don't qualify for Medicaid if you are healthy. But Republican politicians know they can lie to you stooges and you'll believe it.

Actually, you can get Medicaid while you are still perfectly healthy. That girl upthread posted the requirements and being healthy was not one of them.

Remember Medicaid is not the car itself but the insurance for the care. And it’s FREE insurance!

Actually, it’s not. It’s insurance paid for by me for people who choose not to work.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Most people couldn't pay for their medical bills. That’s why we have insurance

Correct, I should’ve said insurance. The reason why most people can’t pay their medical bills is because someone had to bring an idea to give a tax break to employers for providing health insurance. Soon everyone had health insurance and the healthcare providers jacked up the prices accordingly.

The higher prices made people even more eager to get health insurance so that the prices could be jacked up even higher and so odd.

Business creating business for itself, worthy of the mafia.

I was speaking more towards the ability to qualify for a home loan.. not just getting a credit card

Do we really want people with no jobs or only working part time or working full-time, and still barely above the property level to take on a home loan?

Why not simply provide government housing and meals in a group home or they can be supervised and assisted in finding more suitable employment?

That would be a lot cheaper and a lot more productive.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Some will get jobs, others will look for easier ways out and sell drugs or strip or committ crimes.

Based on the large number of Medicaid recipients that I see as a public schoolteacher, I would not recommend stripping as a way for them to make money.

Just so I understand, your position is that we should give people free stuff to keep them from committing crimes?

Your “pushes” dont just push people to employment where they face near impossible task of paying off 10s or 100s of thousands of debt with $10-$15 dollar an hour jobs…. They also push people to crime and desperation.

If they are going to the emergency room, I’m sure that they would prefer tens of thousands of dollars worth of debt to being allowed to die.

I prefer either of those for them than for me to be expected to pay for their healthcare.

There are smarter ways to “motivate” people to work than threats of lifetime debt or no healthcare

I’d love to hear some of those “smart“ way you have in mind.

 

[Mac-7]

The reason why most people can’t pay their medical bills is because someone had to bring an idea to give a tax break to employers for providing health insurance. Soon everyone had health insurance and the healthcare providers jacked up the prices accordingly.

It goes back farther than that

During WWII there was a labor shortage but also wage and price controls

Employers could not offer higher wages to attract workers so they started offering health insurance instead

That started the slippery slope

 

[Slade3200]

Correct, I should’ve said insurance. The reason why most people can’t pay their medical bills is because someone had to bring an idea to give a tax break to employers for providing health insurance. Soon everyone had health insurance and the healthcare providers jacked up the prices accordingly.

The higher prices made people even more eager to get health insurance so that the prices could be jacked up even higher and so odd.

Business creating business for itself, worthy of the mafia.

Well now we can find some agreement about a system that got jacked up and out priced for the public to be able to afford in the traditional way we pay for things. In some ways it was necessary for them to fund the advancements in research, technology, training and facilities so that’s how capitalism handled it. Don think we would be where we are today without the assistance of public money.

Do you really want the hospitals to become debt collectors and on the hook for the poor and uninsured that come through their doors? Think what that will do to prices and quality of care

 

[Slade3200]

Do we really want people with no jobs or only working part time or working full-time, and still barely above the property level to take on a home loan?

It would be nice for them to have that opportunity after they do get their acts together and find employment. Not gonna happen for most with bankrupts and crippling debt. Many won’t get out of that hole

 

[Slade3200]

Why not simply provide government housing and meals in a group home or they can be supervised and assisted in finding more suitable employment?

That would be great. Is that something you’d be willing to fund with your tax money?

 

[Slade3200]

Just so I understand, your position is that we should give people free stuff to keep them from committing crimes?

No that’s not my position. My position is that we need to take care of those who are sick and suffering. How this paid for is what we are analyzing. The crimes are a by product of the desperation and debt that your proposal would inflict on many

 

[Slade3200]

If they are going to the emergency room, I’m sure that they would prefer tens of thousands of dollars worth of debt to being allowed to die

Uhh yeah most would make that bilateral choice… most would also prefer an affordable payment over 10s of thousands in debt.

 

[Slade3200]

I prefer either of those for them than for me to be expected to pay for their healthcare.

You’d prefer somebody have 10s of thousands of debt or die over using tax money to fund their care?! Wow, that’s quite the statement.

I’m curious. Since you are fine trading a life for some more coins in your pocket. Do you know how much in actual taxes you personally would pay for somebody who racked up $100k in medical bills? Any ball park guesses about how much that actually costs you in reality?

 

[Slade3200]

I’d love to hear some of those “smart“ way you have in mind.

I’d make government assistance more hands on and less hand out. Provide resources for transportation to shelters, food banks, and job training/ placement services.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Well now we can find some agreement about a system that got jacked up and out priced for the public to be able to afford in the traditional way we pay for things. In some ways it was necessary for them to fund the advancements in research, technology, training and facilities so that’s how capitalism handled it. Don think we would be where we are today without the assistance of public money.

The “what about government funded research!” canard doesn’t work anymore. Now that we know that government funds “research” that consists of torturing dogs, doing “gender affirming” surgeries on monkeys, and subjecting shrimp (live shrimp, not the ones in the bacon wrapped shrimp at drag shows) to hours on an underwater treadmill.

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When funded research actually does lead to a breakthrough the pharma that conducted it gets to profit from it with no payback to taxpayers.

Do you really want the hospitals to become debt collectors and on the hook for the poor and uninsured that come through their doors? Think what that will do to prices and quality of care

No, the government can take it out of future government checks as I said.

If a welfare dependent actually gets a job, take it out of tax refunds.

 

[Slade3200]

When funded research actually does lead to a breakthrough the pharma that conducted it gets to profit from it with no payback to taxpayers.

Check and see how much of that is subsidized. How these huge companies grew to the size they got to

 

[Slade3200]

No, the government can take it out of future government checks as I said.

If a welfare dependent actually gets a job, take it out of tax refunds

So your plan is that when broke Jon Doe gets a surgery and a $100k hospital bill. The hospital reports that to the IRS and then the IRS takes money out of Jon’s tax refunds until the debt is paid off? Did I get that right?

 

[Seymour Flops]

I’d make government assistance more hands on and less hand out. Provide resources for transportation to shelters, food banks, and job training/ placement services.

I agree with that as a replacement for all the cash handouts.

 

[Seymour Flops]

So your plan is that when broke Jon Doe gets a surgery and a $100k hospital bill. The hospital reports that to the IRS and then the IRS takes money out of Jon’s tax refunds until the debt is paid off? Did I get that right?

Or any other government check, as I said before. Not for everyone, just the freeloaders.

Why do you seem so shocked? Who do you think pays for those services now? Do you think they are “free?“

 

[Slade3200]

Or any other government check, as I said before. Not for everyone, just the freeloaders.

Why do you seem so shocked? Who do you think pays for those services now? Do you think they are “free?“

services are paid for by public funds but not directly coordinated to our taxes. The function of government is to provide for the public good. They maintain a currency and money so we can engage in commerce. They build roads and bridges so we can commute. They provide mail service for communication, law enforcement for protection, schools for education, etc etc etc. all of these things are to promote and support the economy, activity, and growth of our civilization. The government is not a for profit entity. It makes time of money off the resources and services it provides and those funds are to go back in to keep the system flowing.

That’s why when I ask you specifically how much in taxes you’re paying for somebody’s $100k hospital bill that’s Uncle Sam picked up, you can’t give me a number,

Money is a game of numbers at the national level. You understand that, right?