Mayor Bloomberg Defends Banning Clergy & Rescue Workers From 9-11 Anniversary Ceremon

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I'll admit when this story first broke it made me scratch my head.

But after watching the ceremonies, today, they were handled appropriately.

Today was about honoring the heroes and mourning the innocents.

President Obama was actually the most reverent of the speakers as he read from the 46th Psalm.
That, coupled with the moments of silence, gave everyone ample opportunity to reflect or pray as they chose.

To worry about what this person allowed or didn't allow or bring political affiliation into it all is Trollish, IMHO.

How did not allowing the friends and co-workers of the fallen heroes to be a) represented in the ceremony and b) be in the audience honor them? I'm not concerned about not allowing clergy in the ceremony, but not allowing members of the crews that risked their lives with those who died offends me.

Immie

Bloomberg, the Compassionate Dictator.

 

[Dr Grump]

There will be firefighters and police....

 

[hortysir]

I'll admit when this story first broke it made me scratch my head.

But after watching the ceremonies, today, they were handled appropriately.

Today was about honoring the heroes and mourning the innocents.

President Obama was actually the most reverent of the speakers as he read from the 46th Psalm.
That, coupled with the moments of silence, gave everyone ample opportunity to reflect or pray as they chose.

To worry about what this person allowed or didn't allow or bring political affiliation into it all is Trollish, IMHO.

How did not allowing the friends and co-workers of the fallen heroes to be a) represented in the ceremony and b) be in the audience honor them? I'm not concerned about not allowing clergy in the ceremony, but not allowing members of the crews that risked their lives with those who died offends me.

Immie

There was ample representation of the rescuers.
From the bagpipe corps to the honor guard, the escorts and guards on stage, the people reading the names.

By definition real Heroes tend to avoid the limelight anyway. They don;t care about the glitz and glam.

I haven't heard from these "shunned" family members, friends, or co-workers to know if there's any real outrage out there besides on message boards.

 

[Dr Grump]

I'll admit when this story first broke it made me scratch my head.

But after watching the ceremonies, today, they were handled appropriately.

Today was about honoring the heroes and mourning the innocents.

President Obama was actually the most reverent of the speakers as he read from the 46th Psalm.
That, coupled with the moments of silence, gave everyone ample opportunity to reflect or pray as they chose.

To worry about what this person allowed or didn't allow or bring political affiliation into it all is Trollish, IMHO.

How did not allowing the friends and co-workers of the fallen heroes to be a) represented in the ceremony and b) be in the audience honor them? I'm not concerned about not allowing clergy in the ceremony, but not allowing members of the crews that risked their lives with those who died offends me.

Immie

There was ample representation of the rescuers.
From the bagpipe corps to the honor guard, the escorts and guards on stage, the people reading the names.

By definition real Heroes tend to avoid the limelight anyway. They don;t care about the glitz and glam.

I haven't heard from these "shunned" family members, friends, or co-workers to know if there's any real outrage out there besides on message boards.

You have to forgive the person who started the thread. Ignorance, anger and a hatred of anything left of a Atilla the Hun (even a repub mayor!!) is her calling card..

 

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By Michael Howard Saul

Mayor Michael Bloomberg is defending his decision to exclude religious leaders from New York City’s ceremony commemorating the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

“It’s a civil ceremony. There are plenty of opportunities for people to have their religious ceremonies,” Bloomberg said on his weekly radio show. “Some people don’t want to go to a religious ceremony with another religion. And the number of different religions in this city are really quite amazing.”

Mayoral aides have previously defended Bloomberg’s decision by saying it would be complicated and controversial to choose which religious leaders would speak at the ceremony. But on Friday, the mayor said that isn’t the issue.

“It isn’t that you can’t pick and choose, you shouldn’t pick and choose,” Bloomberg said. “If you want to have a service for your religion, you can have it in your church or in a field, or whatever.”

At one point, the mayor suggested that allowing clergy to speak at 9/11 ceremony would be, in effect, thrusting religion upon the thousands of attendees and the millions more watching, some of whom might object.

Bloomberg said terrorists want to take away freedom of religion, “but they don’t like the fact that you have one religion and I have another. They believe that they know what’s right. And it may be right for them. But government shouldn’t be forcing it down people’s throats.”

Despite calls from religious leaders and former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani for the mayor to reverse course and allow clergy to speak at Sunday’s ceremony, the mayor said he is confident he made the right call. Religious leaders have not spoken at any previous city ceremonies commemorating the attacks.

In an interview last week with The Wall Street Journal, Giuliani beseeched the mayor to reconsider his stance.

“If I were the mayor, and this came up, I’d have a religious presence there,” Giuliani said.
September 11 Anniversary - Mayor Bloomberg on Why Clergy Won't Participate in Ground Zero Event - Metropolis - WSJ

 

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(Newser) – This Sunday’s 9/11 memorial ceremony in New York City won’t include any speakers from the clergy—and both religious and political figures aren’t happy about it. “We’re not France,” says a Southern Baptist leader. “Mr. Bloomberg is pretending we’re a secular society, and we are not.” A Republican congressman from Virginia has sent Bloomberg a letter calling for the ceremony to include prayer, while the Family Research Council and a city councilman delivered the mayor what they say is a 62,000-signature petition requesting the inclusion of clergy, the New York Times reports.

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg Under Fire for 9/11 Ceremony Without Clergy

 

[Dr Grump]

THat Southern Baptist leader is wrong

 

[Stephanie]

rightwingloons are fucked in the head.

Sad, but true.

You're quite the turd, Stuphanit, with your dancing on the graves of those killed.

You are a real idiot. This was about Bloomberg.:

 

[Stephanie]

How did not allowing the friends and co-workers of the fallen heroes to be a) represented in the ceremony and b) be in the audience honor them? I'm not concerned about not allowing clergy in the ceremony, but not allowing members of the crews that risked their lives with those who died offends me.

Immie

There was ample representation of the rescuers.
From the bagpipe corps to the honor guard, the escorts and guards on stage, the people reading the names.

By definition real Heroes tend to avoid the limelight anyway. They don;t care about the glitz and glam.

I haven't heard from these "shunned" family members, friends, or co-workers to know if there's any real outrage out there besides on message boards.

You have to forgive the person who started the thread. Ignorance, anger and a hatred of anything left of a Atilla the Hun (even a repub mayor!!) is her calling card..

well now, there was a lot of intelligence, peaceful love in this post of yours, I can fweel it, really I can..

 

[Dr Grump]

rightwingloons are fucked in the head.

Sad, but true.

You're quite the turd, Stuphanit, with your dancing on the graves of those killed.

You are a real idiot. This was about Bloomberg.:

Why is it about Bloomberg?
You're wrong about the police and firefighters not being there.
You're wrong about religious folks should be allowed to speak - they shouldn't.
This is not about God, it's about the people who died. If a priest or rabbi or iman got off their tush and spoke they would start to invoke God in their speech. Some relatives might find that offensive....

As Bloomberg said (and I'm paraphrasing), if you want to bring religion into your commemoration there's plenty of churches, synogogues and mosques you can visit until your heart's desire...

 

[Immanuel]

I'll admit when this story first broke it made me scratch my head.

But after watching the ceremonies, today, they were handled appropriately.

Today was about honoring the heroes and mourning the innocents.

President Obama was actually the most reverent of the speakers as he read from the 46th Psalm.
That, coupled with the moments of silence, gave everyone ample opportunity to reflect or pray as they chose.

To worry about what this person allowed or didn't allow or bring political affiliation into it all is Trollish, IMHO.

How did not allowing the friends and co-workers of the fallen heroes to be a) represented in the ceremony and b) be in the audience honor them? I'm not concerned about not allowing clergy in the ceremony, but not allowing members of the crews that risked their lives with those who died offends me.

Immie

There was ample representation of the rescuers.
From the bagpipe corps to the honor guard, the escorts and guards on stage, the people reading the names.

By definition real Heroes tend to avoid the limelight anyway. They don;t care about the glitz and glam.

I haven't heard from these "shunned" family members, friends, or co-workers to know if there's any real outrage out there besides on message boards.

Were the men and women who risked their lives alongside those who died represented? From everything I have read, the answer to that is no... in fact they were snubbed by the mayor. Shame on him.

Immie

 

[Stephanie]

rightwingloons are fucked in the head.

Sad, but true.

You're quite the turd, Stuphanit, with your dancing on the graves of those killed.

You are a real idiot. This was about Bloomberg.:

Why is it about Bloomberg?
You're wrong about the police and firefighters not being there.
You're wrong about religious folks should be allowed to speak - they shouldn't.
This is not about God, it's about the people who died. If a priest or rabbi or iman got off their tush and spoke they would start to invoke God in their speech. Some relatives might find that offensive....

As Bloomberg said (and I'm paraphrasing), if you want to bring religion into your commemoration there's plenty of churches, synogogues and mosques you can visit until your heart's desire...

You and Bloomberg are the real haters here.

 

[hortysir]

How did not allowing the friends and co-workers of the fallen heroes to be a) represented in the ceremony and b) be in the audience honor them? I'm not concerned about not allowing clergy in the ceremony, but not allowing members of the crews that risked their lives with those who died offends me.

Immie

There was ample representation of the rescuers.
From the bagpipe corps to the honor guard, the escorts and guards on stage, the people reading the names.

By definition real Heroes tend to avoid the limelight anyway. They don;t care about the glitz and glam.

I haven't heard from these "shunned" family members, friends, or co-workers to know if there's any real outrage out there besides on message boards.

Were the men and women who risked their lives alongside those who died represented? From everything I have read, the answer to that is no... in fact they were snubbed by the mayor. Shame on him.

Immie

The entire ceremony(s) was in their honor.

I think this is something you and I should just agree to disagree because I don't want to fight with you.

*unsub*

 

[Immanuel]

There was ample representation of the rescuers.
From the bagpipe corps to the honor guard, the escorts and guards on stage, the people reading the names.

By definition real Heroes tend to avoid the limelight anyway. They don;t care about the glitz and glam.

I haven't heard from these "shunned" family members, friends, or co-workers to know if there's any real outrage out there besides on message boards.

Were the men and women who risked their lives alongside those who died represented? From everything I have read, the answer to that is no... in fact they were snubbed by the mayor. Shame on him.

Immie

The entire ceremony(s) was in their honor.

I think this is something you and I should just agree to disagree because I don't want to fight with you.

*unsub*

I don't understand how you can say that they were honored if they were told to stay the hell away.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/responders.asp

Immie

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You are a bigot, and a piece of shit.

But you knew that already.

Yes I am a bigot and fucking proud of it but you son are the biggest piece of shit in the pile.

you are no better than the terrorists. You are a terrorist and should be treated as such. You dont deserve to live in this nation.

WOW your stupidity is showing through, what happen did you break one of your transformer toys?
I hope all politicans that what an out of control government fears me. I hope I bring terror to their lives. As for you calling me a terrorist just for chits and grines you are a son of a bitch cock suck cum swallowing bitch.

 

[Dr Grump]

How did not allowing the friends and co-workers of the fallen heroes to be a) represented in the ceremony and b) be in the audience honor them? I'm not concerned about not allowing clergy in the ceremony, but not allowing members of the crews that risked their lives with those who died offends me.

Immie

There was ample representation of the rescuers.
From the bagpipe corps to the honor guard, the escorts and guards on stage, the people reading the names.

By definition real Heroes tend to avoid the limelight anyway. They don;t care about the glitz and glam.

I haven't heard from these "shunned" family members, friends, or co-workers to know if there's any real outrage out there besides on message boards.

Were the men and women who risked their lives alongside those who died represented? From everything I have read, the answer to that is no... in fact they were snubbed by the mayor. Shame on him.

Immie

If there is no room, there is no room. Would you tell the 10 year old son who never saw his father who was killed that he couldn't go because he had to make way for a firefighter or cop? I'm betting that firefighter or cop would be horrified if they found they were taking the place of a relative of the deceased.

let's not forget the relatives of those firefighters were there - no doubt there were fightfighters amongst them, too..

 

[Dr Grump]

You are a real idiot. This was about Bloomberg.:

Why is it about Bloomberg?
You're wrong about the police and firefighters not being there.
You're wrong about religious folks should be allowed to speak - they shouldn't.
This is not about God, it's about the people who died. If a priest or rabbi or iman got off their tush and spoke they would start to invoke God in their speech. Some relatives might find that offensive....

As Bloomberg said (and I'm paraphrasing), if you want to bring religion into your commemoration there's plenty of churches, synogogues and mosques you can visit until your heart's desire...

You and Bloomberg are the real haters here.

What am I hating on?

 

[Immanuel]

There was ample representation of the rescuers.
From the bagpipe corps to the honor guard, the escorts and guards on stage, the people reading the names.

By definition real Heroes tend to avoid the limelight anyway. They don;t care about the glitz and glam.

I haven't heard from these "shunned" family members, friends, or co-workers to know if there's any real outrage out there besides on message boards.

Were the men and women who risked their lives alongside those who died represented? From everything I have read, the answer to that is no... in fact they were snubbed by the mayor. Shame on him.

Immie

If there is no room, there is no room. Would you tell the 10 year old son who never saw his father who was killed that he couldn't go because he had to make way for a firefighter or cop? I'm betting that firefighter or cop would be horrified if they found they were taking the place of a relative of the deceased.

let's not forget the relatives of those firefighters were there - no doubt there were fightfighters amongst them, too..

First, members of the first responder units should have been represented in the ceremony itself. Not all of them should have been there, but the units should have been represented.

Second, his telling them that they were not welcome and to stay the hell away is an insult to their service.

I'm not saying that they all should have gone or that they would have. However, I am saying that this son of a bitch insulted the men and women who risk their lives ever day to protect us.

I find his attitude insulting and I am not a first responder.

Immie

 

[Stephanie]

Why is it about Bloomberg?
You're wrong about the police and firefighters not being there.
You're wrong about religious folks should be allowed to speak - they shouldn't.
This is not about God, it's about the people who died. If a priest or rabbi or iman got off their tush and spoke they would start to invoke God in their speech. Some relatives might find that offensive....

As Bloomberg said (and I'm paraphrasing), if you want to bring religion into your commemoration there's plenty of churches, synogogues and mosques you can visit until your heart's desire...

You and Bloomberg are the real haters here.

What am I hating on?

oh I don't know. Take a look at your post about me for starters. As if that had anything to do with the Thread, You have always been a hater and will always be. From now on I will call you Dr. Hater. see ya.

 

[Dr Grump]

You and Bloomberg are the real haters here.

What am I hating on?

oh I don't know. Take a look at your post about me for starters. As if that had anything to do with the Thread, You have always been a hater and will always be. From now on I will call you Dr. Hater. see ya.

In other words, you got nothing.

Speaking of hate - nice avatar...