Zone1 May G-d protect the innocent

[BULLDOG]

Did the Israelite's actually do it, Mr. Fake Deacon?

God told lots of people to kill innocent children. You're trying to side step that point by nitpicking who actually performed the task. The fact that the loving god of the Bible ordered the deaths of innocent children is the overriding point. Of course, if you can point out what those children did to deserve death, you might have something.

 

[BreezeWood]

Without the Bible, there is no Christianity.

true of all three desert religions oddly having the same preamble of lies and false commandments -

the sooner they are understood as works of fiction far better will hopefully the true religion reemerge and goodness return from the grip of the crucifiers.

 

[Meriweather]

No idea why the god of the bible thought killing all those innocent children was the way to go.

So tell us what you would have done and how you would have told the story.

I am still waiting to understand the personal reason you have for being so angry with God.

 

[BULLDOG]

So tell us what you would have done and how you would have told the story.

I am still waiting to understand the personal reason you have for being so angry with God.

You keep going back to that silly "angry with God" thing. I am no more angry with God than I am angry with unicorns. If you want to discuss why anyone might be angry with people who use religion for self aggrandization, we can talk about that.

 

[Meriweather]

You keep going back to that silly "angry with God" thing. I am no more angry with God than I am angry with unicorns. If you want to discuss why anyone might be angry with people who use religion for self aggrandization, we can talk about that.

And you keep insisting God is bad but can seem to explain what God has done bad--if anything--in your life. It appears you have to go back thousands of years before you can find something you feel God has done bad. But sure. Go with self aggrandization.

 

[BULLDOG]

And you keep insisting God is bad but can seem to explain what God has done bad--if anything--in your life. It appears you have to go back thousands of years before you can find something you feel God has done bad. But sure. Go with self aggrandization.

Pay attention and I will explain one more time. I don't believe the God of the Bible has done anything, good or bad. I see no reason to believe he exists. However, just as an aside, The God described in the bible shows to be petty and mean. If I were to believe in a god, it would be one that is actually loving and kind. One that was worthy of worship. Not the one depicted in the Bible.

 

[Meriweather]

Pay attention and I will explain one more time. I don't believe the God of the Bible has done anything, good or bad. I see no reason to believe he exists. However, just as an aside, The God described in the bible shows to be petty and mean. If I were to believe in a god, it would be one that is actually loving and kind. One that was worthy of worship. Not the one depicted in the Bible.

When one has no understanding of the original Biblical language, histories, cultures one might jump to a wrong conclusion. Here is a clue: If you were writing a story about your hero, one you want to follow and emulate, would you depict him as an ogre? So what makes you think the Hebrew depicts God as an ogre?

The Bible needs to be read and understood in its entirety. Using bits and pieces to reason conclusions never intended by the author teaches/reveals nothing. For example, do you read God's love/value of children as one who is a pedophile?

 

[ding]

I guess that must be one of the parts you choose to ignore.

How so? I believe I am body and spirit. Whereas atheism is predicated on the belief that only the material exists which is why probably why atheists worship the created instead of the creator. I'm sure you probably know the relevant verse from your days as a deacon, right?

 

[ding]

Without the Bible, there is no Christianity. You are certainly free to ignore a much of it as you like, but nothing you can say will remove it from the text.

I'm not ignoring anything. I am placing these accounts in the context of the accounts. Dip shits believe the point of that account was God ordered a genocide. Whereas the point of the account was a historical event. God ordering it was an embellishment. Sort of like saying God was on our side in WWII. Or George Washington chopped down a cherry tree.

So is there anything else you need help in understanding. Maybe the Tower of Babel where you see God as a vain prick because he was jealous of man because they were achieving too much?

Can you imagine if God sees you through the same biased and subjective lens that you see God through? I wonder how he would describe you.

 

[ding]

God told lots of people to kill innocent children. You're trying to side step that point by nitpicking who actually performed the task. The fact that the loving god of the Bible ordered the deaths of innocent children is the overriding point. Of course, if you can point out what those children did to deserve death, you might have something.

Let's walk through each one and see about that. Where do you want to start?

 

[BULLDOG]

When one has no understanding of the original Biblical language, histories, cultures one might jump to a wrong conclusion. Here is a clue: If you were writing a story about your hero, one you want to follow and emulate, would you depict him as an ogre? So what makes you think the Hebrew depicts God as an ogre?

The Bible needs to be read and understood in its entirety. Using bits and pieces to reason conclusions never intended by the author teaches/reveals nothing. For example, do you read God's love/value of children as one who is a pedophile?

Since the Bible is purported to be the instructions for either eternal damnation or eternal bliss, all stories in it should be accurate. Ogres should be depicted as ogres. I'm not aware of any depictions of God as a pedophile, but he did allow pedophilia. Again, this is describing what I tend to believe is a mythical character. If I were to write a book praising a godlike entity, I probably wouldn't include the parts that show him to be petty and mean. Looks like the authors of the bible didn't make that choice.

 

[BULLDOG]

How so? I believe I am body and spirit. Whereas atheism is predicated on the belief that only the material exists which is why probably why atheists worship the created instead of the creator. I'm sure you probably know the relevant verse from your days as a deacon, right?

Atheism is predicated on the fact that I am not convinced a god exists. I suppose one could exist like unicorns, but I have seen nothing to make me believe a god exists.

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm not ignoring anything. I am placing these accounts in the context of the accounts. Dip shits believe the point of that account was God ordered a genocide. Whereas the point of the account was a historical event. God ordering it was an embellishment. Sort of like saying God was on our side in WWII. Or George Washington chopped down a cherry tree.

So is there anything else you need help in understanding. Maybe the Tower of Babel where you see God as a vain prick because he was jealous of man because they were achieving too much?

Can you imagine if God sees you through the same biased and subjective lens that you see God through? I wonder how he would describe you.

So that part of the Bible was a lie/embellishment? Is that part in your ignore category?

 

[BULLDOG]

Let's walk through each one and see about that. Where do you want to start?

Better idea. You walk through them, and come back and tell me what children did to deserve god's wrath.

 

[Meriweather]

Since the Bible is purported to be the instructions for either eternal damnation or eternal bliss, all stories in it should be accurate. Ogres should be depicted as ogres. I'm not aware of any depictions of God as a pedophile, but he did allow pedophilia. Again, this is describing what I tend to believe is a mythical character. If I were to write a book praising a godlike entity, I probably wouldn't include the parts that show him to be petty and mean. Looks like the authors of the bible didn't make that choice.

You complain about the Old Testament, and the Old Testament has little, if anything to say about eternal damnation--or for that matter eternal bliss. Jews believe these books are about living this life, not the next--and some Jews of the time didn't believe in an afterlife.

'Petty and mean' are your own conclusions--not the intent of those who recorded their stories.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

So?

That’s interesting. I was just wondering.

 

[BULLDOG]

You complain about the Old Testament, and the Old Testament has little, if anything to say about eternal damnation--or for that matter eternal bliss. Jews believe these books are about living this life, not the next--and some Jews of the time didn't believe in an afterlife.

'Petty and mean' are your own conclusions--not the intent of those who recorded their stories.

Are you trying to say the god of the old testament is not the same as the one in the new? Is that what you are going to go with? Yes, the actions depicted are petty and mean.

 

[Meriweather]

Are you trying to say the god of the old testament is not the same as the one in the new? Is that what you are going to go with? Yes, the actions depicted are petty and mean.

I've explained this many times before. God is the same, both Old and New Testaments. It has been estimated that the number of Hebrew infants the Egyptians killed was at least ten thousand, possibly a lot more. Exodus records how the Amalekites kept attacking the Israelites from behind, meaning attacking women and children, not the soldiers.

Next we take a look at history outside the Bible. There is no indication or word of any tribe or nation known as the Amalekites or who behaved as did the Amalekites. It appears they may have been gangs that preyed on travelers, raped the women, castrated or killed the boys--acts condemned by all tribes and nations, and even by us today. The word is associated with demons and evil. Rabbis have pointed out that it is in this context the Israelites were to completely demolish the Amalekites, down to the last possession, down to the last child. The call was to eliminate evil entirely. This leads to the lesson: Notice how humanity/individuals always keep a little evil handy to play around with. What's wrong with a little adultery, a little divorce, a little abortion, a little theft (shoplifting) that occurs around us. Compare this to someone seeking medical treatment for a cancer growth, all of which can be removed. Who would say, "Oh, just leave a little bit of the cancer...it's not so bad."

So...we have King Saul saying something like this to the Prophet, Samuel: Oh, the leader of this gang isn't so bad--he likes women, he castrates little boys who annoy him by trying to defend their mothers, sisters, and themselves--totally understandable! Besides it's what his his father taught him. And a look at all the fine cattle and sheep he has! Nothing wrong with us being just a little greedy and keeping some of this for ourselves. After all, it isn't going to undo the rape, castrations, and killings this gang did to our women and children. Feed the women and castrated boys a nice lamb chop, and they'll forget all that happened.

What I hear you saying in your complaints about God is that God should relent and allow a little evil in society, that people should learn to be accepting of what some consider wrong-doing, especially when one can benefit from the evil. Raping, castrating, killing women and children should be given a pass. After all, it's only a little evil.

 

[BULLDOG]

I've explained this many times before. God is the same, both Old and New Testaments. It has been estimated that the number of Hebrew infants the Egyptians killed was at least ten thousand, possibly a lot more. Exodus records how the Amalekites kept attacking the Israelites from behind, meaning attacking women and children, not the soldiers.

Next we take a look at history outside the Bible. There is no indication or word of any tribe or nation known as the Amalekites or who behaved as did the Amalekites. It appears they may have been gangs that preyed on travelers, raped the women, castrated or killed the boys--acts condemned by all tribes and nations, and even by us today. The word is associated with demons and evil. Rabbis have pointed out that it is in this context the Israelites were to completely demolish the Amalekites, down to the last possession, down to the last child. The call was to eliminate evil entirely. This leads to the lesson: Notice how humanity/individuals always keep a little evil handy to play around with. What's wrong with a little adultery, a little divorce, a little abortion, a little theft (shoplifting) that occurs around us. Compare this to someone seeking medical treatment for a cancer growth, all of which can be removed. Who would say, "Oh, just leave a little bit of the cancer...it's not so bad."

So...we have King Saul saying something like this to the Prophet, Samuel: Oh, the leader of this gang isn't so bad--he likes women, he castrates little boys who annoy him by trying to defend their mothers, sisters, and themselves--totally understandable! Besides it's what his his father taught him. And a look at all the fine cattle and sheep he has! Nothing wrong with us being just a little greedy and keeping some of this for ourselves. After all, it isn't going to undo the rape, castrations, and killings this gang did to our women and children. Feed the women and castrated boys a nice lamb chop, and they'll forget all that happened.

What I hear you saying in your complaints about God is that God should relent and allow a little evil in society, that people should learn to be accepting of what some consider wrong-doing, especially when one can benefit from the evil. Raping, castrating, killing women and children should be given a pass. After all, it's only a little evil.

How many of those children were guilty of of all those rapes and castrations? That is only one example of the biblical god killing innocent children. Isn't he credited with killing the entire population of the world, except for Noah and his family and a few animals? That included innocent children too, right?
You've tried to differentiate between the old and new testament. That doesn't work. Same god both places. You've tried to justify killing children by saying their parents were evil. That claim is absurd, and evil within it's self. You might note that I am not convinced that a god even exists, but if he does, and he happens to be the god depicted in the bible, he is cruel and not worthy of worship.

 

[Meriweather]

How many of those children were guilty of of all those rapes and castrations? That is only one example of the biblical god killing innocent children. Isn't he credited with killing the entire population of the world, except for Noah and his family and a few animals? That included innocent children too, right?
You've tried to differentiate between the old and new testament. That doesn't work. Same god both places. You've tried to justify killing children by saying their parents were evil. That claim is absurd, and evil within it's self. You might note that I am not convinced that a god even exists, but if he does, and he happens to be the god depicted in the bible, he is cruel and not worthy of worship.

You missed the point, forgetting Hebrew is a picturesque language, not a subjective language. The message is, Destroy all that is evil, down to the smallest amount. Do not gather up any of the ill-gotten gains.

From the English translation you create your own anguish imagining the children of men who raped, castrated, and murdered other children also being killed.

If you prefer dwelling on children: The Israelites suffered tens of thousands of their own children being killed or castrated--and their mothers and sisters raped--well, the Israelites should bear all that without complaint and love their enemies, perhaps giving back all that had been stolen so that they might be in good health to do more raping, castrating, and killing. (Here's a reason for you to lament God not protecting the preyed upon from evil people. All God's doing, all God's fault, right?)

Consider I am making no judgment or justification at all. In fact, isn't it you who have taken sides, judged and condemned how a people reacted when under fierce, underhanded, rear-attacks that first mowed down women and children? I'm merely presenting what happened, how language differs, how written Biblical accounts differ greatly over modern day news, Encyclopedic, or text book accounts.

You want the Bible and God discredited. Shrug. It's not your story. Just a perspective.