Mathematical Challenges to Darwin’s Theory of Evolution

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Evolution hypothesis is well established but horribly incomplete since it is largely based on fossilized evidence and DNA material which degrades over time. Thus we get an incomplete picture of many Fauna and flora going back in time.

Corn is a great example of evolution through selective breeding.
Corn is terrible as GMO foods are terrible and unhealthy. It is mainly used to make high fructose corn syrup as a sweetener.

"There are large lobbies interested in whether GMOs should be in the food supply or not.

  1. The first lobby interested in GMOs is for the use of GMOs and includes major corporations like Monsanto. Monsanto is one of the largest agricultural companies that sells “seeds, traits developed through biotechnology, and crop protection chemicals.” They have been at the center of some recent US Supreme Court decisions (e.g., Bowman v. Monsanto Company).1
  2. The second lobby interested in GMOs is against the use of GMOs and includes the Non-GMO Project. “The Non-GMO Project is a non-profit organization committed to preserving and building sources of non-GMO products, educating consumers, and providing verified non-GMO choices.”2
  3. The third lobby that should be interested in GMOs is the unaware majority of Americans having already consumed a GMO without knowing it."3

  1. For reference, see http://www.monsanto.com last accessed 06-18-13 and Supreme Court Supports Monsanto in Seed-Replication Case (Published 2013) last accessed 06-18-13.
  2. http://www.nongmoproject.org.
  3. FDA
GMO foods are terrible and unhealthy.

Why do you feel that?

the unaware majority of Americans having already consumed a GMO without knowing it.

What food crops have you ever eaten that weren't modified over the last few thousand years?
Toddsterpatriot, you haven't evolved at all. You still ask me questions, expect me to answer them, and rarely answer mine. Thus, you remain ignorant and do not evolve like a good evolutionist should do. It's really tough to get better believing in lies.

Here is my question: Are you a GMO foods eater? Do you care? Do you know? Are you okay with dying before you reach 70s or 80s?
You still ask me questions, expect me to answer them,

Nah, I expect you to run away.

Are you a GMO foods eater?

Unless someone only eats acorns, wild game and wild fish, we all eat genetically modified foods.
Does that make you sad?
No, eat, eat, eat GMO foods. It's fast foods, corn, high fructose, and more which was in the article I linked. It's fast and tastes good even though it's bad for your health.

I try to avoid fast and processed foods and try to eat organic and wild foods. It's one of the reasons I should live to 90.

You and Sunsettommy are like this guy and should get what you both deserve with GMO foods. Can't you see him enjoying his corn?

 

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Evolution hypothesis is well established but horribly incomplete since it is largely based on fossilized evidence and DNA material which degrades over time. Thus we get an incomplete picture of many Fauna and flora going back in time.

Corn is a great example of evolution through selective breeding.
Corn is terrible as GMO foods are terrible and unhealthy. It is mainly used to make high fructose corn syrup as a sweetener.

"There are large lobbies interested in whether GMOs should be in the food supply or not.

  1. The first lobby interested in GMOs is for the use of GMOs and includes major corporations like Monsanto. Monsanto is one of the largest agricultural companies that sells “seeds, traits developed through biotechnology, and crop protection chemicals.” They have been at the center of some recent US Supreme Court decisions (e.g., Bowman v. Monsanto Company).1
  2. The second lobby interested in GMOs is against the use of GMOs and includes the Non-GMO Project. “The Non-GMO Project is a non-profit organization committed to preserving and building sources of non-GMO products, educating consumers, and providing verified non-GMO choices.”2
  3. The third lobby that should be interested in GMOs is the unaware majority of Americans having already consumed a GMO without knowing it."3

  1. For reference, see http://www.monsanto.com last accessed 06-18-13 and Supreme Court Supports Monsanto in Seed-Replication Case (Published 2013) last accessed 06-18-13.
  2. http://www.nongmoproject.org.
  3. FDA
GMO foods are terrible and unhealthy.

Why do you feel that?

the unaware majority of Americans having already consumed a GMO without knowing it.

What food crops have you ever eaten that weren't modified over the last few thousand years?
Toddsterpatriot, you haven't evolved at all. You still ask me questions, expect me to answer them, and rarely answer mine. Thus, you remain ignorant and do not evolve like a good evolutionist should do. It's really tough to get better believing in lies.

Here is my question: Are you a GMO foods eater? Do you care? Do you know? Are you okay with dying before you reach 70s or 80s?
You still ask me questions, expect me to answer them,

Nah, I expect you to run away.

Are you a GMO foods eater?

Unless someone only eats acorns, wild game and wild fish, we all eat genetically modified foods.
Does that make you sad?
No, eat, eat, eat GMO foods. It's fast foods, corn, high fructose, and more which was in the article I linked. It's fast and tastes good even though it's bad for your health.

I try to avoid fast and processed foods and try to eat organic and wild foods. It's one of the reasons I should live to 90.

You and Sunsettommy are like this guy and should get what you both deserve with GMO foods. Can't you see him enjoying his corn?

Which organic foods do you eat that are unmodified?
 

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Evolution hypothesis is well established but horribly incomplete since it is largely based on fossilized evidence and DNA material which degrades over time. Thus we get an incomplete picture of many Fauna and flora going back in time.

Corn is a great example of evolution through selective breeding.
Corn is terrible as GMO foods are terrible and unhealthy. It is mainly used to make high fructose corn syrup as a sweetener.

"There are large lobbies interested in whether GMOs should be in the food supply or not.

  1. The first lobby interested in GMOs is for the use of GMOs and includes major corporations like Monsanto. Monsanto is one of the largest agricultural companies that sells “seeds, traits developed through biotechnology, and crop protection chemicals.” They have been at the center of some recent US Supreme Court decisions (e.g., Bowman v. Monsanto Company).1
  2. The second lobby interested in GMOs is against the use of GMOs and includes the Non-GMO Project. “The Non-GMO Project is a non-profit organization committed to preserving and building sources of non-GMO products, educating consumers, and providing verified non-GMO choices.”2
  3. The third lobby that should be interested in GMOs is the unaware majority of Americans having already consumed a GMO without knowing it."3

  1. For reference, see http://www.monsanto.com last accessed 06-18-13 and Supreme Court Supports Monsanto in Seed-Replication Case (Published 2013) last accessed 06-18-13.
  2. http://www.nongmoproject.org.
  3. FDA
GMO foods are terrible and unhealthy.

Why do you feel that?

the unaware majority of Americans having already consumed a GMO without knowing it.

What food crops have you ever eaten that weren't modified over the last few thousand years?
Toddsterpatriot, you haven't evolved at all. You still ask me questions, expect me to answer them, and rarely answer mine. Thus, you remain ignorant and do not evolve like a good evolutionist should do. It's really tough to get better believing in lies.

Here is my question: Are you a GMO foods eater? Do you care? Do you know? Are you okay with dying before you reach 70s or 80s?
You still ask me questions, expect me to answer them,

Nah, I expect you to run away.

Are you a GMO foods eater?

Unless someone only eats acorns, wild game and wild fish, we all eat genetically modified foods.
Does that make you sad?
No, eat, eat, eat GMO foods. It's fast foods, corn, high fructose, and more which was in the article I linked. It's fast and tastes good even though it's bad for your health.

I try to avoid fast and processed foods and try to eat organic and wild foods. It's one of the reasons I should live to 90.

You and Sunsettommy are like this guy and should get what you both deserve with GMO foods. Can't you see him enjoying his corn?

Which organic foods do you eat that are unmodified?
Lol. No, practice what you preach about mutations. Eat, eat, eat.
 

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Evolution hypothesis is well established but horribly incomplete since it is largely based on fossilized evidence and DNA material which degrades over time. Thus we get an incomplete picture of many Fauna and flora going back in time.

Corn is a great example of evolution through selective breeding.
Corn is terrible as GMO foods are terrible and unhealthy. It is mainly used to make high fructose corn syrup as a sweetener.

"There are large lobbies interested in whether GMOs should be in the food supply or not.

  1. The first lobby interested in GMOs is for the use of GMOs and includes major corporations like Monsanto. Monsanto is one of the largest agricultural companies that sells “seeds, traits developed through biotechnology, and crop protection chemicals.” They have been at the center of some recent US Supreme Court decisions (e.g., Bowman v. Monsanto Company).1
  2. The second lobby interested in GMOs is against the use of GMOs and includes the Non-GMO Project. “The Non-GMO Project is a non-profit organization committed to preserving and building sources of non-GMO products, educating consumers, and providing verified non-GMO choices.”2
  3. The third lobby that should be interested in GMOs is the unaware majority of Americans having already consumed a GMO without knowing it."3

  1. For reference, see http://www.monsanto.com last accessed 06-18-13 and Supreme Court Supports Monsanto in Seed-Replication Case (Published 2013) last accessed 06-18-13.
  2. http://www.nongmoproject.org.
  3. FDA
GMO foods are terrible and unhealthy.

Why do you feel that?

the unaware majority of Americans having already consumed a GMO without knowing it.

What food crops have you ever eaten that weren't modified over the last few thousand years?
Toddsterpatriot, you haven't evolved at all. You still ask me questions, expect me to answer them, and rarely answer mine. Thus, you remain ignorant and do not evolve like a good evolutionist should do. It's really tough to get better believing in lies.

Here is my question: Are you a GMO foods eater? Do you care? Do you know? Are you okay with dying before you reach 70s or 80s?
You still ask me questions, expect me to answer them,

Nah, I expect you to run away.

Are you a GMO foods eater?

Unless someone only eats acorns, wild game and wild fish, we all eat genetically modified foods.
Does that make you sad?
No, eat, eat, eat GMO foods. It's fast foods, corn, high fructose, and more which was in the article I linked. It's fast and tastes good even though it's bad for your health.

I try to avoid fast and processed foods and try to eat organic and wild foods. It's one of the reasons I should live to 90.

You and Sunsettommy are like this guy and should get what you both deserve with GMO foods. Can't you see him enjoying his corn?

Which organic foods do you eat that are unmodified?
Lol. No, practice what you preach about mutations. Eat, eat, eat.
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Don't cry James.......
 

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Being cooped up is trying. It's why I'm cooking a thick Porterhouse steak sous vide today.

Nice, thick porterhouse. Are you gonna claim it's GMO fed beef?

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Evolution hypothesis is well established but horribly incomplete since it is largely based on fossilized evidence and DNA material which degrades over time. Thus we get an incomplete picture of many Fauna and flora going back in time.

Corn is a great example of evolution through selective breeding.
Corn is terrible as GMO foods are terrible and unhealthy. It is mainly used to make high fructose corn syrup as a sweetener.

"There are large lobbies interested in whether GMOs should be in the food supply or not.

  1. The first lobby interested in GMOs is for the use of GMOs and includes major corporations like Monsanto. Monsanto is one of the largest agricultural companies that sells “seeds, traits developed through biotechnology, and crop protection chemicals.” They have been at the center of some recent US Supreme Court decisions (e.g., Bowman v. Monsanto Company).1
  2. The second lobby interested in GMOs is against the use of GMOs and includes the Non-GMO Project. “The Non-GMO Project is a non-profit organization committed to preserving and building sources of non-GMO products, educating consumers, and providing verified non-GMO choices.”2
  3. The third lobby that should be interested in GMOs is the unaware majority of Americans having already consumed a GMO without knowing it."3

  1. For reference, see http://www.monsanto.com last accessed 06-18-13 and Supreme Court Supports Monsanto in Seed-Replication Case (Published 2013) last accessed 06-18-13.
  2. http://www.nongmoproject.org.
  3. FDA
This is a deflection away from the fact that Corn is an excellent example of what Evolution is about. GMO isn't the topic here and YOU know it, that is why you made an obviously desperate deflection, not going to follow it.

It interesting that a food you hate has smacked you.....
Corn isn't an excellent example of evolution. Otherwise, you would have explained and still haven't.

This is an example of how atheists and their scientists make general assumptions and attribute it to evolution.

Thus, I discussed how corn is a GMO and is used as bad. Isn't mutation the driver for evolution? In this case, it's gene mutation. Isn't that an example of corn as evolution haha?

Actually, it is a serious topic as evolution and GMO foods are really bad.

I gave you a link showing the radical transformation of Corn over 9,000 years, too bad you didn't read it.

Here is the simple definition:
Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.
Corn as shown in the link, changed radically over 9,000 years, a classic case of guided evolution of a plant. That is a fact you are trying hard to ignore with your silly deflection to GMO.

I haven't mentioned GMO for an obvious that seems to elude you, which is why it is a Red Herring fallacy.
You are just taking natural selection which what God gave us to help us farm and grow crops. It's not easy to farm and raise livestock today. The best foods are organic or the way we used to grow crops. This was long before evolution and is part of creation science.

Furthermore, I rather hear it from a person themselves on what they think instead of forcing me to read their link.

Thus, you are avoiding the FACT that evolution has mainly to do with GMO foods. It is based on gene mutation as I stated. You do not know enough to be able to argue against this devious method being used in our processed foods that evolution has brought to our food supply.

One of the difficult things is to find out what foods are GMO. I posted a list of the general ones.

Here's one on the brand names -- 6 GMO Loaded Brands You Should Avoid Buying.

I try to avoid them, but it's not always possible. Organic and natural foods are much better for one's health. I think GMO foods and evolution is why our life expectancies are going down. Furthermore, why don't you take credit for Covid-19? Isn't that evolution by natural selection?

You are confused in what is Natural selection is and what is artificial selection, here is the difference from Wikipedia:

Natural selection
is the differential survival and reproduction of individuals due to differences in phenotype. It is a key mechanism of evolution, the change in the heritable traits characteristic of a population over generations. Charles Darwin popularised the term "natural selection", contrasting it with artificial selection, which in his view is intentional, whereas natural selection is not.
The Corn evolution I brought up is an excellent example of ARTIFICIAL selection. Dogs are another example of artificial evolution, where they didn't exist at all before 45.000 BCE. The PUG didn't exist before 500 BCE.

This is the fact you keep ducking because it doesn't support your creationist science at all.

Not going to run with your GMO red herring.
 

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I try to avoid fast and processed foods and try to eat organic and wild foods.
You are to be commended for this ... I'm not so much worried about GMO's but rather everything else that goes into commercial agriculture ...
You should avoid GMO foods. Is there a way to do it cheaply? Yes, there is but it takes work which may mean driving further to a Trader's Joes, Whole Earth Foods, or knowing what to order online. General rule of thumb is to avoid foods from China. However, any canned and processed foods at your grocer is probably GMO wherever they're from.

God gave us fresh, natural, organic foods, but instead evolution gave us GMO foods.
 

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Evolution hypothesis is well established but horribly incomplete since it is largely based on fossilized evidence and DNA material which degrades over time. Thus we get an incomplete picture of many Fauna and flora going back in time.

Corn is a great example of evolution through selective breeding.
Corn is terrible as GMO foods are terrible and unhealthy. It is mainly used to make high fructose corn syrup as a sweetener.

"There are large lobbies interested in whether GMOs should be in the food supply or not.

  1. The first lobby interested in GMOs is for the use of GMOs and includes major corporations like Monsanto. Monsanto is one of the largest agricultural companies that sells “seeds, traits developed through biotechnology, and crop protection chemicals.” They have been at the center of some recent US Supreme Court decisions (e.g., Bowman v. Monsanto Company).1
  2. The second lobby interested in GMOs is against the use of GMOs and includes the Non-GMO Project. “The Non-GMO Project is a non-profit organization committed to preserving and building sources of non-GMO products, educating consumers, and providing verified non-GMO choices.”2
  3. The third lobby that should be interested in GMOs is the unaware majority of Americans having already consumed a GMO without knowing it."3

  1. For reference, see http://www.monsanto.com last accessed 06-18-13 and Supreme Court Supports Monsanto in Seed-Replication Case (Published 2013) last accessed 06-18-13.
  2. http://www.nongmoproject.org.
  3. FDA
GMO foods are terrible and unhealthy.

Why do you feel that?

the unaware majority of Americans having already consumed a GMO without knowing it.

What food crops have you ever eaten that weren't modified over the last few thousand years?
Toddsterpatriot, you haven't evolved at all. You still ask me questions, expect me to answer them, and rarely answer mine. Thus, you remain ignorant and do not evolve like a good evolutionist should do. It's really tough to get better believing in lies.

Here is my question: Are you a GMO foods eater? Do you care? Do you know? Are you okay with dying before you reach 70s or 80s?
You still ask me questions, expect me to answer them,

Nah, I expect you to run away.

Are you a GMO foods eater?

Unless someone only eats acorns, wild game and wild fish, we all eat genetically modified foods.
Does that make you sad?
No, eat, eat, eat GMO foods. It's fast foods, corn, high fructose, and more which was in the article I linked. It's fast and tastes good even though it's bad for your health.

I try to avoid fast and processed foods and try to eat organic and wild foods. It's one of the reasons I should live to 90.

You and Sunsettommy are like this guy and should get what you both deserve with GMO foods. Can't you see him enjoying his corn?

Ha ha, I have that movie, he is eating OPEN pollinated corn.

Meanwhile I don't eat corn and avoid corn syrup too, since it is high carbohydrates with too little return nutritionally.

You can grow a lot of vegetables in the your yard if you were really that determined to avoid GMO foods, but do you garden much at all?

I grow veggies at home organically, but have no problem with oil based fertilizers on farms, since they don't make any difference to the food itself, but can damage the soil if used too much.
 

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I still don't think you understand actual infinity nor potential infinity.
Oh Bond. You poor, embarrassing little man. You say things like this and literally EVERYBODY knows you have no idea what you are talking about. They know you have no understanding of those topics. They know you say things like this, because you honestly think such transparent posturing gives you the "upper hand" somehow. It does not. It is bad acting and fools nobody.
 

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Evolution hypothesis is well established but horribly incomplete since it is largely based on fossilized evidence and DNA material which degrades over time. Thus we get an incomplete picture of many Fauna and flora going back in time.

Corn is a great example of evolution through selective breeding.
Corn is terrible as GMO foods are terrible and unhealthy. It is mainly used to make high fructose corn syrup as a sweetener.

"There are large lobbies interested in whether GMOs should be in the food supply or not.

  1. The first lobby interested in GMOs is for the use of GMOs and includes major corporations like Monsanto. Monsanto is one of the largest agricultural companies that sells “seeds, traits developed through biotechnology, and crop protection chemicals.” They have been at the center of some recent US Supreme Court decisions (e.g., Bowman v. Monsanto Company).1
  2. The second lobby interested in GMOs is against the use of GMOs and includes the Non-GMO Project. “The Non-GMO Project is a non-profit organization committed to preserving and building sources of non-GMO products, educating consumers, and providing verified non-GMO choices.”2
  3. The third lobby that should be interested in GMOs is the unaware majority of Americans having already consumed a GMO without knowing it."3

  1. For reference, see http://www.monsanto.com last accessed 06-18-13 and Supreme Court Supports Monsanto in Seed-Replication Case (Published 2013) last accessed 06-18-13.
  2. http://www.nongmoproject.org.
  3. FDA
This is a deflection away from the fact that Corn is an excellent example of what Evolution is about. GMO isn't the topic here and YOU know it, that is why you made an obviously desperate deflection, not going to follow it.

It interesting that a food you hate has smacked you.....
Corn isn't an excellent example of evolution. Otherwise, you would have explained and still haven't.

This is an example of how atheists and their scientists make general assumptions and attribute it to evolution.

Thus, I discussed how corn is a GMO and is used as bad. Isn't mutation the driver for evolution? In this case, it's gene mutation. Isn't that an example of corn as evolution haha?

Actually, it is a serious topic as evolution and GMO foods are really bad.

I gave you a link showing the radical transformation of Corn over 9,000 years, too bad you didn't read it.

Here is the simple definition:
Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.
Corn as shown in the link, changed radically over 9,000 years, a classic case of guided evolution of a plant. That is a fact you are trying hard to ignore with your silly deflection to GMO.

I haven't mentioned GMO for an obvious that seems to elude you, which is why it is a Red Herring fallacy.
You are just taking natural selection which what God gave us to help us farm and grow crops. It's not easy to farm and raise livestock today. The best foods are organic or the way we used to grow crops. This was long before evolution and is part of creation science.

Furthermore, I rather hear it from a person themselves on what they think instead of forcing me to read their link.

Thus, you are avoiding the FACT that evolution has mainly to do with GMO foods. It is based on gene mutation as I stated. You do not know enough to be able to argue against this devious method being used in our processed foods that evolution has brought to our food supply.

One of the difficult things is to find out what foods are GMO. I posted a list of the general ones.

Here's one on the brand names -- 6 GMO Loaded Brands You Should Avoid Buying.

I try to avoid them, but it's not always possible. Organic and natural foods are much better for one's health. I think GMO foods and evolution is why our life expectancies are going down. Furthermore, why don't you take credit for Covid-19? Isn't that evolution by natural selection?

You are confused in what is Natural selection is and what is artificial selection, here is the difference from Wikipedia:

Natural selection
is the differential survival and reproduction of individuals due to differences in phenotype. It is a key mechanism of evolution, the change in the heritable traits characteristic of a population over generations. Charles Darwin popularised the term "natural selection", contrasting it with artificial selection, which in his view is intentional, whereas natural selection is not.
The Corn evolution I brought up is an excellent example of ARTIFICIAL selection. Dogs are another example of artificial evolution, where they didn't exist at all before 45.000 BCE. The PUG didn't exist before 500 BCE.

This is the fact you keep ducking because it doesn't support your creationist science at all.

Not going to run with your GMO red herring.
I'm glad you are admitting it now. And you should take responsibility for GMO foods.

Natural selection was made by God. Artificial selection is evolution. So, you are right. Creation science does not support artificial selection. Here's why.

"Artificial selection occurs when humans breed for certain traits (such as speed, one of the traits selected for within the past 200 years, according to these researchers). In doing so, the breeder eliminates much of the variety within the genome (that’s created in the original kind). This results in low genetic diversity. To emphasize how low this diversity is, the article points out that nearly all male thoroughbreds (like those who raced at the Kentucky Derby just a little over a week ago) can trace their ancestry back to one stallion born in the year 1700.

And this low diversity is not a good thing! As National Geographic notes, “low genetic diversity leads to harmful genetic defects,” such as blindness or a sometimes-fatal condition known as myopathy. We see the same thing in dogs—low genetic diversity in the purebreds* results in all kinds of health problems."


Puhleeze eat, eat, eat this kind of food today.





Nicer than saying eat feces and die.
 

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I still don't think you understand actual infinity nor potential infinity.
Oh Bond. You poor, embarrassing little man. You say things like this and literally EVERYBODY knows you have no idea what you are talking about. They know you have no understanding of those topics. They know you say things like this, because you honestly think such transparent posturing gives you the "upper hand" somehow. It does not. It is bad acting and fools nobody.
Go ahead and clarify so we all know. You're the Mr. Millions and Billions of Years.

(Man, I still have problems trying to relate that kind of long time. Sure, we have an idea of millions and billions of dollars but time is another matter. We're only here for a short time. Thus, 6,000 years seems like a lot to us creationists :))
 

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I think I'd rather be categorically wrong and challenge the status quo then to not try to find the reason natural selection doesn't fit the data. I'm not talking about individual mutations. I am talking about mass mutations (all at or about the same time) within the species that led to a successful speciation. Like I said before the stasis and the lack of transition is what I am trying to explain. So those fossil records where there was no transition would be the examples of speciation from mass mutations. Do I have a specific example? No. I didn't think I needed one. Stasis is proof that natural selection did not lead to speciation. Lack of transition can only be negated by finding transitions. What examples should I use to confirm or refute this?
S'okay ... you don't have to try and explain "stasis and the lack of transition" ... the concept you present is self-explaining ...

Do I have a specific example? No. I didn't think I needed one.

In science, observations are paramount ... if your theory doesn't explain anything we can observe, then it's not science, it's philosophy ... I've given you whales as an example of slow, incremental changes that occurred over tens of millions of years ... each individual mutation in an individual that increases reproduction will spread throughout the gene pool ... this is only a long process in human terms, a scant 200,000 years isn't enough time to notice changes, only 6,000 years to document these changes in writing ...

If you don't have a specific example, then we have nothing scientific to discuss ... a million cosmic ray particles all striking the exact same bond in a species' DNA within this "short" period of time is improbable in the extreme ...
I would say all we need for a discussion is a gap or an incongruity in the status quo theory. Stasis and lack of transitional fossils fit that bill. But I get your position, you believe natural selection explains everything. I don't.
 

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Evolution hypothesis is well established but horribly incomplete since it is largely based on fossilized evidence and DNA material which degrades over time. Thus we get an incomplete picture of many Fauna and flora going back in time.

Corn is a great example of evolution through selective breeding.
Corn is terrible as GMO foods are terrible and unhealthy. It is mainly used to make high fructose corn syrup as a sweetener.

"There are large lobbies interested in whether GMOs should be in the food supply or not.

  1. The first lobby interested in GMOs is for the use of GMOs and includes major corporations like Monsanto. Monsanto is one of the largest agricultural companies that sells “seeds, traits developed through biotechnology, and crop protection chemicals.” They have been at the center of some recent US Supreme Court decisions (e.g., Bowman v. Monsanto Company).1
  2. The second lobby interested in GMOs is against the use of GMOs and includes the Non-GMO Project. “The Non-GMO Project is a non-profit organization committed to preserving and building sources of non-GMO products, educating consumers, and providing verified non-GMO choices.”2
  3. The third lobby that should be interested in GMOs is the unaware majority of Americans having already consumed a GMO without knowing it."3

  1. For reference, see http://www.monsanto.com last accessed 06-18-13 and Supreme Court Supports Monsanto in Seed-Replication Case (Published 2013) last accessed 06-18-13.
  2. http://www.nongmoproject.org.
  3. FDA
This is a deflection away from the fact that Corn is an excellent example of what Evolution is about. GMO isn't the topic here and YOU know it, that is why you made an obviously desperate deflection, not going to follow it.

It interesting that a food you hate has smacked you.....
Corn isn't an excellent example of evolution. Otherwise, you would have explained and still haven't.

This is an example of how atheists and their scientists make general assumptions and attribute it to evolution.

Thus, I discussed how corn is a GMO and is used as bad. Isn't mutation the driver for evolution? In this case, it's gene mutation. Isn't that an example of corn as evolution haha?

Actually, it is a serious topic as evolution and GMO foods are really bad.

I gave you a link showing the radical transformation of Corn over 9,000 years, too bad you didn't read it.

Here is the simple definition:
Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.
Corn as shown in the link, changed radically over 9,000 years, a classic case of guided evolution of a plant. That is a fact you are trying hard to ignore with your silly deflection to GMO.

I haven't mentioned GMO for an obvious that seems to elude you, which is why it is a Red Herring fallacy.
You are just taking natural selection which what God gave us to help us farm and grow crops. It's not easy to farm and raise livestock today. The best foods are organic or the way we used to grow crops. This was long before evolution and is part of creation science.

Furthermore, I rather hear it from a person themselves on what they think instead of forcing me to read their link.

Thus, you are avoiding the FACT that evolution has mainly to do with GMO foods. It is based on gene mutation as I stated. You do not know enough to be able to argue against this devious method being used in our processed foods that evolution has brought to our food supply.

One of the difficult things is to find out what foods are GMO. I posted a list of the general ones.

Here's one on the brand names -- 6 GMO Loaded Brands You Should Avoid Buying.

I try to avoid them, but it's not always possible. Organic and natural foods are much better for one's health. I think GMO foods and evolution is why our life expectancies are going down. Furthermore, why don't you take credit for Covid-19? Isn't that evolution by natural selection?

You are confused in what is Natural selection is and what is artificial selection, here is the difference from Wikipedia:

Natural selection
is the differential survival and reproduction of individuals due to differences in phenotype. It is a key mechanism of evolution, the change in the heritable traits characteristic of a population over generations. Charles Darwin popularised the term "natural selection", contrasting it with artificial selection, which in his view is intentional, whereas natural selection is not.
The Corn evolution I brought up is an excellent example of ARTIFICIAL selection. Dogs are another example of artificial evolution, where they didn't exist at all before 45.000 BCE. The PUG didn't exist before 500 BCE.

This is the fact you keep ducking because it doesn't support your creationist science at all.

Not going to run with your GMO red herring.
I'm glad you are admitting it now. And you should take responsibility for GMO foods.

Natural selection was made by God. Artificial selection is evolution. So, you are right. Creation science does not support artificial selection. Here's why.

"Artificial selection occurs when humans breed for certain traits (such as speed, one of the traits selected for within the past 200 years, according to these researchers). In doing so, the breeder eliminates much of the variety within the genome (that’s created in the original kind). This results in low genetic diversity. To emphasize how low this diversity is, the article points out that nearly all male thoroughbreds (like those who raced at the Kentucky Derby just a little over a week ago) can trace their ancestry back to one stallion born in the year 1700.

And this low diversity is not a good thing! As National Geographic notes, “low genetic diversity leads to harmful genetic defects,” such as blindness or a sometimes-fatal condition known as myopathy. We see the same thing in dogs—low genetic diversity in the purebreds* results in all kinds of health problems."


Puhleeze eat, eat, eat this kind of food today.





Nicer than saying eat feces and die.
I haven't admitted anything, it the obvious fact that BOTH natural and artificial evolution exist, I showed that evolution of animal species by humans made clear that it happens at a much faster pace. Creation Science doesn't allow that, which is why your contradictory evolution arguments are silly.

Your low genetic diversity argument is weak since the original "corn" plants exist as does the Wolf, the horse and so on.
 

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Evolution hypothesis is well established but horribly incomplete since it is largely based on fossilized evidence and DNA material which degrades over time. Thus we get an incomplete picture of many Fauna and flora going back in time.

Corn is a great example of evolution through selective breeding.
Corn is terrible as GMO foods are terrible and unhealthy. It is mainly used to make high fructose corn syrup as a sweetener.

"There are large lobbies interested in whether GMOs should be in the food supply or not.

  1. The first lobby interested in GMOs is for the use of GMOs and includes major corporations like Monsanto. Monsanto is one of the largest agricultural companies that sells “seeds, traits developed through biotechnology, and crop protection chemicals.” They have been at the center of some recent US Supreme Court decisions (e.g., Bowman v. Monsanto Company).1
  2. The second lobby interested in GMOs is against the use of GMOs and includes the Non-GMO Project. “The Non-GMO Project is a non-profit organization committed to preserving and building sources of non-GMO products, educating consumers, and providing verified non-GMO choices.”2
  3. The third lobby that should be interested in GMOs is the unaware majority of Americans having already consumed a GMO without knowing it."3

  1. For reference, see http://www.monsanto.com last accessed 06-18-13 and Supreme Court Supports Monsanto in Seed-Replication Case (Published 2013) last accessed 06-18-13.
  2. http://www.nongmoproject.org.
  3. FDA
This is a deflection away from the fact that Corn is an excellent example of what Evolution is about. GMO isn't the topic here and YOU know it, that is why you made an obviously desperate deflection, not going to follow it.

It interesting that a food you hate has smacked you.....
Corn isn't an excellent example of evolution. Otherwise, you would have explained and still haven't.

This is an example of how atheists and their scientists make general assumptions and attribute it to evolution.

Thus, I discussed how corn is a GMO and is used as bad. Isn't mutation the driver for evolution? In this case, it's gene mutation. Isn't that an example of corn as evolution haha?

Actually, it is a serious topic as evolution and GMO foods are really bad.

I gave you a link showing the radical transformation of Corn over 9,000 years, too bad you didn't read it.

Here is the simple definition:
Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.
Corn as shown in the link, changed radically over 9,000 years, a classic case of guided evolution of a plant. That is a fact you are trying hard to ignore with your silly deflection to GMO.

I haven't mentioned GMO for an obvious that seems to elude you, which is why it is a Red Herring fallacy.
You are just taking natural selection which what God gave us to help us farm and grow crops. It's not easy to farm and raise livestock today. The best foods are organic or the way we used to grow crops. This was long before evolution and is part of creation science.

Furthermore, I rather hear it from a person themselves on what they think instead of forcing me to read their link.

Thus, you are avoiding the FACT that evolution has mainly to do with GMO foods. It is based on gene mutation as I stated. You do not know enough to be able to argue against this devious method being used in our processed foods that evolution has brought to our food supply.

One of the difficult things is to find out what foods are GMO. I posted a list of the general ones.

Here's one on the brand names -- 6 GMO Loaded Brands You Should Avoid Buying.

I try to avoid them, but it's not always possible. Organic and natural foods are much better for one's health. I think GMO foods and evolution is why our life expectancies are going down. Furthermore, why don't you take credit for Covid-19? Isn't that evolution by natural selection?

You are confused in what is Natural selection is and what is artificial selection, here is the difference from Wikipedia:

Natural selection
is the differential survival and reproduction of individuals due to differences in phenotype. It is a key mechanism of evolution, the change in the heritable traits characteristic of a population over generations. Charles Darwin popularised the term "natural selection", contrasting it with artificial selection, which in his view is intentional, whereas natural selection is not.
The Corn evolution I brought up is an excellent example of ARTIFICIAL selection. Dogs are another example of artificial evolution, where they didn't exist at all before 45.000 BCE. The PUG didn't exist before 500 BCE.

This is the fact you keep ducking because it doesn't support your creationist science at all.

Not going to run with your GMO red herring.
I'm glad you are admitting it now. And you should take responsibility for GMO foods.

Natural selection was made by God. Artificial selection is evolution. So, you are right. Creation science does not support artificial selection. Here's why.

"Artificial selection occurs when humans breed for certain traits (such as speed, one of the traits selected for within the past 200 years, according to these researchers). In doing so, the breeder eliminates much of the variety within the genome (that’s created in the original kind). This results in low genetic diversity. To emphasize how low this diversity is, the article points out that nearly all male thoroughbreds (like those who raced at the Kentucky Derby just a little over a week ago) can trace their ancestry back to one stallion born in the year 1700.

And this low diversity is not a good thing! As National Geographic notes, “low genetic diversity leads to harmful genetic defects,” such as blindness or a sometimes-fatal condition known as myopathy. We see the same thing in dogs—low genetic diversity in the purebreds* results in all kinds of health problems."


Puhleeze eat, eat, eat this kind of food today.





Nicer than saying eat feces and die.
I haven't admitted anything, it the obvious fact that BOTH natural and artificial evolution exist, I showed that evolution of animal species by humans made clear that it happens at a much faster pace. Creation Science doesn't allow that, which is why your contradictory evolution arguments are silly.

Your low genetic diversity argument is weak since the original "corn" plants exist as does the Wolf, the horse and so on.
You're the one who challenged me since creation doesn't have anything like artificial selection. You admitted evolution is artificial selection and I pointed out what creation science has found.. Isn't that what usually happens with evolution -- early death? People know that after Darwin and his cousin Galton that eugenics came and it caused the Holocaust. Today, we have GMO foods and artificial selection thinking they aren't harmful.

I try not to eat the Mexican corn, but its used a lot in the food industry in California as vegetables and animal feed.

>>Your low genetic diversity argument is weak since the original "corn" plants exist as does the Wolf, the horse and so on.<<

So hypocritical. Just give it time. We're supposed to give atheists millions and billions of years and you can't give us a little time. Hopefully, people will become aware and protest to get rid of the food like many protested importing foods from China. Yet, it still happens a lot and in feed or as hidden ingredients.

I would think the Kentucky Derby horses could go blind or end up with myopathy. People are looking out for it -- https://www.thedodo.com/what-happens-to-racehorses-aft-535090804.html.

What GMO did you eat today?
 

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Go ahead and clarify so we all know.
What would you like clarified for you? I can point you toward some resources for discrete mathematics. Beyond that, get out the checkbook and take a class at your local university.
 

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Go ahead and clarify so we all know.
What would you like clarified for you? I can point you toward some resources for discrete mathematics. Beyond that, get out the checkbook and take a class at your local university.
Lol. Now this is avoidance. Again, what GMO foods are you eating today? Is there a recommended dosage of GMO foods one should eat daily if evolution is true?

I haven't criticized artificial selection, as much as abiongenesis and singularity, because the atheists and their scientists haven't admitted that its bad for you. I doubt they will. Thus, it's two methods to get diversity, but what is really safe was is natural selection as God created. Human selection isn't as good.
 

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