Massive Police Response to Reports of Mass Shooting at 16-Year-Old’s Birthday Party in Dadeville, Alabama

[Ray From Cleveland]

They had handguns. They were under age 18. They could not concealed carry because they could not carry at all. See how those laws meant nothing?

There is a leftist solution to that problem: disarm the law abiding citizens and give criminals that use guns a free pass.

 

[2aguy]

They had handguns. They were under age 18. They could not concealed carry because they could not carry at all. See how those laws meant nothing?

Let me respond as joe always does....

Sue the gun makers.....even though they had nothing to do with the shoting or supplying those guns to those teens

 

[JoeB131]

They had handguns. They were under age 18. They could not concealed carry because they could not carry at all. See how those laws meant nothing?

AL has permitless carry, so no, they were probably in compliance.

Laws are meaningless if they don't exist.

 

[JoeB131]

There is a leftist solution to that problem: disarm the law abiding citizens and give criminals that use guns a free pass.

Most gun murder is domestic violence.

Let me respond as joe always does....

Sue the gun makers.....even though they had nothing to do with the shoting or supplying those guns to those teens

They either sold those kids guns or they sold those guns to someone who gave them to the kids.

Sue their asses off.

 

[2aguy]

Most gun murder is domestic violence.

They either sold those kids guns or they sold those guns to someone who gave them to the kids.

Sue their asses off.

No, most gun murder is not domestic violence....."knowing the attacker," is not domestic violence, it is one gang member knowing the guy who is rolling up on his drug corner to take his money and drugs, you idiot.

 

[JoeB131]

No, most gun murder is not domestic violence....."knowing the attacker," is not domestic violence, it is one gang member knowing the guy who is rolling up on his drug corner to take his money and drugs, you idiot.

Only 13% of homicides are classified as "Gang-related", according to the National Youth Gang Survey

National Youth Gang Survey Analysis: Measuring the Extent of Gang Problems

The NGC conducted an annual survey of law enforcement agencies to assess the extent of gang problems. This page shows data measuring the extent of gang problems.

nationalgangcenter.ojp.gov

• The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2007 to 2012. During roughly the same time period (2007 to 2011), the FBI estimated, on average, more than 15,500 homicides across the United States (www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1). These estimates suggest that gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 13 percent of all homicides annually.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

AL has permitless carry, so no, they were probably in compliance.

Laws are meaningless if they don't exist.

They were teenagers dumbass! They are not to possess a firearm! "Permit-less" is a non-issue because "permits" are unconstitutional as several jurisdictions have found out through the courts.

 

[Vastator]

AL has permitless carry, so no, they were probably in compliance.

Laws are meaningless if they don't exist.

Yes. We do adhere to the Constitution. In this case however these minors were not in compliance with the law. They were not legally allowed to possess, less still carry concealed firearms. Glad I could clear that up for you. Your gun grabbing blathering really does get lost in the cacophony of other sheep beating the same Leftist, Constitution hating drivel. Why not try something fresh, and unique? Blaze a new trail? Like maybe stumping for the right of the government to force homeowners to quarter soldiers? That hasn’t been done in a while…

 

[2aguy]

Only 13% of homicides are classified as "Gang-related", according to the National Youth Gang Survey

National Youth Gang Survey Analysis: Measuring the Extent of Gang Problems

The NGC conducted an annual survey of law enforcement agencies to assess the extent of gang problems. This page shows data measuring the extent of gang problems.

nationalgangcenter.ojp.gov

• The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2007 to 2012. During roughly the same time period (2007 to 2011), the FBI estimated, on average, more than 15,500 homicides across the United States (www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1). These estimates suggest that gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 13 percent of all homicides annually.

Wrong...you have been shown over and over that ciolent crime reported to the FBI and others have 4 categories....and the reporting agency can only pick one box....which means if the gang bangers are shooting each other over drug turf they dont get to check both boxes, just one... you doofus.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes. We do adhere to the Constitution. In this case however these minors were not in compliance with the law. They were not legally allowed to possess, less still carry concealed firearms. Glad I could clear that up for you. Your gun grabbing blathering really does get lost in the cacophony of other sheep beating the same Leftist, Constitution hating drivel. Why not try something fresh, and unique? Blaze a new trail? Like maybe stumping for the right of the government to force homeowners to quarter soldiers? That hasn’t been done in a while…

Actually, our Police-Prison-Indsutrial Complex is pretty much a violation of the Third Amendment. The Founding Slave Rapists weren't complaining about troops in people's houses, they were complaining about large military concentrations in the cities. The Founders would be horrified to see that the interpretation of the Second and Third Amendments have led to the current state.

Also, since some of the shooters weren't minors, we can argue at least THEY were in compliance with the law until the shooting started.

Wrong...you have been shown over and over that ciolent crime reported to the FBI and others have 4 categories....and the reporting agency can only pick one box....which means if the gang bangers are shooting each other over drug turf they dont get to check both boxes, just one... you doofus.

This wasn't the FBI, it was the National Youth Gang Survey...

Only 13% of homicides are gang related.

only 2000 or so of the 43,000 gun deaths we have in this country every year... all of which could be prevented.

 

[JoeB131]

They were teenagers dumbass! They are not to possess a firearm! "Permit-less" is a non-issue because "permits" are unconstitutional as several jurisdictions have found out through the courts.

Not all of them were minors... and when you have such a lax view of guns, are you really surprised when a night of partying turns into a night of shooting?

Come on, every other mass shooting, you guys whine about "Gun Free Zones", but this was in a state that was a Gun Mecca. Own it.

 

[Auld Phart]

Actually, our Police-Prison-Indsutrial Complex is pretty much a violation of the Third Amendment. The Founding Slave Rapists weren't complaining about troops in people's houses, they were complaining about large military concentrations in the cities. The Founders would be horrified to see that the interpretation of the Second and Third Amendments have led to the current state.

Also, since some of the shooters weren't minors, we can argue at least THEY were in compliance with the law until the shooting started.



This wasn't the FBI, it was the National Youth Gang Survey...

Only 13% of homicides are gang related.

only 2000 or so of the 43,000 gun deaths we have in this country every year... all of which could be prevented.

Federal Data | Youth.gov

youth.gov

• In 2009, larger cities and suburban counties accounted for the majority of gang-related violence and more than 96 percent of all gang homicides.3
• During 2009-2012, cities with 100,000 or more persons saw gang-related homicides increase by 13 percent.4
• In Chicago and Los Angeles, nearly half of all homicides were attributed to gang violence from 2009-2012.5

 

[JoeB131]

Federal Data | Youth.gov

youth.gov

• In 2009, larger cities and suburban counties accounted for the majority of gang-related violence and more than 96 percent of all gang homicides.3
• During 2009-2012, cities with 100,000 or more persons saw gang-related homicides increase by 13 percent.4
• In Chicago and Los Angeles, nearly half of all homicides were attributed to gang violence from 2009-2012.5

Um, has nothing to do with any of the points I made about only 13% of homicides being gang-related.

Um, yeah, 96% of people live in cities and suburbs, of course that's where most of the crime happens.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Not all of them were minors... and when you have such a lax view of guns, are you really surprised when a night of partying turns into a night of shooting?

Come on, every other mass shooting, you guys whine about "Gun Free Zones", but this was in a state that was a Gun Mecca. Own it.

The first two arrested were!

Many of the others were all under the age of 21.

 

[Auld Phart]

Um, has nothing to do with any of the points I made about only 13% of homicides being gang-related.

Um, yeah, 96% of people live in cities and suburbs, of course that's where most of the crime happens.

In Chicago and Los Angeles, nearly half of all homicides were attributed to gang violence from 2009-2012.5

HALF is a lot more than 13%

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Actually, our Police-Prison-Indsutrial Complex is pretty much a violation of the Third Amendment. The Founding Slave Rapists weren't complaining about troops in people's houses, they were complaining about large military concentrations in the cities. The Founders would be horrified to see that the interpretation of the Second and Third Amendments have led to the current state.

Also, since some of the shooters weren't minors, we can argue at least THEY were in compliance with the law until the shooting started.



This wasn't the FBI, it was the National Youth Gang Survey...

Only 13% of homicides are gang related.

only 2000 or so of the 43,000 gun deaths we have in this country every year... all of which could be prevented.

Wow! You are consistently ignorant about everything.

“No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.”

That's pretty clear to anyone with at least a room temperture IQ.

 

[2aguy]

Actually, our Police-Prison-Indsutrial Complex is pretty much a violation of the Third Amendment. The Founding Slave Rapists weren't complaining about troops in people's houses, they were complaining about large military concentrations in the cities. The Founders would be horrified to see that the interpretation of the Second and Third Amendments have led to the current state.

Also, since some of the shooters weren't minors, we can argue at least THEY were in compliance with the law until the shooting started.



This wasn't the FBI, it was the National Youth Gang Survey...

Only 13% of homicides are gang related.

only 2000 or so of the 43,000 gun deaths we have in this country every year... all of which could be prevented.

Wrong, you lying doofus......

Gangs and Violence​

Armstrong: Let’s turn to questions of where crime is coming from in our country. How much violent crime takes place in the subset of the population we would typically associate with the gang culture?


Kleck: In places like Chicago or Los Angeles, it’s a huge fraction of it. It varies enormously from place to place. It may well be that half or more of the gun homicides in those cities are gang related. But in most places in America, it’s a somewhat more modest fraction.


We don’t have national figures that are of any use.

For what it’s worth, in the FBI uniform crime reports data, they do have a category for the circumstance in which the crime was committed. One possible box that local police can check in filling out the homicide reports for the FBI could indeed be for gang-related. But the problem is that the FBI forms require police to check just one circumstance. So if a guy belongs to a gang, and he was selling drugs, and he has a dispute with his customer over the price, and then they get into an argument and one shoots the other, that could go into any of three or four different categories, only one of which is gang-related. So those data are useless.



What we’re stuck with are local estimates, and, as I say, it varies enormously from one locality to another. It’s a huge percentage in a couple of cities. Chicago and Los Angeles have really bad street-gang problems. On the other hand, in Peoria it’s probably a relatively small fraction, certainly well under half.

Criminologist Gary Kleck on Guns, Crime, and Their Study - Ari Armstrong

Youtube interview.....

Kleck on anti-gun methods in research, talks about finding gun use

 

[2aguy]

Actually, our Police-Prison-Indsutrial Complex is pretty much a violation of the Third Amendment. The Founding Slave Rapists weren't complaining about troops in people's houses, they were complaining about large military concentrations in the cities. The Founders would be horrified to see that the interpretation of the Second and Third Amendments have led to the current state.

Also, since some of the shooters weren't minors, we can argue at least THEY were in compliance with the law until the shooting started.



This wasn't the FBI, it was the National Youth Gang Survey...

Only 13% of homicides are gang related.

only 2000 or so of the 43,000 gun deaths we have in this country every year... all of which could be prevented.

Hey, idiot......you vote for the political party created by the slave rapists...the democrat party.......

 

[JoeB131]

Hey, idiot......you vote for the political party created by the slave rapists...the democrat party.......

And you are the one who wants to continue their policies...

 

[Zincwarrior]

Thoughts and prayers?