Massive Failure in Iran

[candycorn]

Silly to ask, but care to provide an example of him "begging?"

He starred off by demanding unconditional surrender.

Since that didn’t happen...now he ’s negotiating; not for nukes but for them to open a body of water that was open before the war.

 

[Rawley]

He starred off by demanding unconditional surrender.

Since that didn’t happen...now he ’s negotiating; not for nukes but for them to open a body of water that was open before the war.

Didn't know you were privy to the the negotiation. How'd that happen?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Let's be honest. I never bet MAGAts money since they always welch on the bet. I was thinking of something more like a week-long self-ban. Everyone could see if the person welched or not.
No worries about the bet. It's just my little way of judging a person's veracity.

As this and other threads prove, I believe Trump is BSing us about "peace in the Middle East". The Iranians are playing him and, We, the People, will have to pick up the tab at the gas pump because the Strait won't return to normal until the Iranians get massive concessions from the Dementia Don.

The issue is not what you believe but why you believe it, and you don't seem to be able to explain why this will turn out badly for the US.

What you believe is not interesting unless you can explain why you believe it.

 

[candycorn]

Didn't know you were privy to the the negotiation. How'd that happen?

I’m not. But it’s clear to see that the US priority for the last 2 months of this 2-3 week war has been to re-open the strait. He’s negotiating for somethng that we had before we started.

Have you ever negotiated anything? If so, please tell us why you’re in awe of his “skills” since he’s trying to secure something that had nothing to do with why the war started in the first place.

 

[Rawley]

I’m not. But it’s clear to see that the US priority for the last 2 months of this 2-3 week war has been to re-open the strait.

Yup. Your guys have claimed the strait as their own.

He’s negotiating for somethng that we had before we started.

Nope

Have you ever negotiated anything? If so, please tell us why you’re in awe of his “skills” since he’s trying to secure something that had nothing to do with why the war started in the first place.

Sorry Candy, I don't worship politician in the way you do. I was just curious where you are getting these bizarre views on what is going on in Iran t end he conflict.

 

[Divine Wind]

He’s begging iran for a deal and won’t get what he demanded. Everyone see what he is doing.

Agreed. The Iranian leadership is playing Trump for concessions....and they are patient enough to get it. All they have to do is wait.

 

[Divine Wind]

I’m not. But it’s clear to see that the US priority for the last 2 months of this 2-3 week war has been to re-open the strait. He’s negotiating for somethng that we had before we started.

Have you ever negotiated anything? If so, please tell us why you’re in awe of his “skills” since he’s trying to secure something that had nothing to do with why the war started in the first place.

Something Trump has done before and then declared victory. LOL

As discussed in this forum several times, the Iranians are playing Trump and will string him along until they get what they want. All they have to do is be patient. It's Trump who is anxious to end this ASAP.

 

[Divine Wind]

The issue is not what you believe but why you believe it, and you don't seem to be able to explain why this will turn out badly for the US.

What you believe is not interesting unless you can explain why you believe it.

20+ years as a military officer and deployments to the Middle East plus a Masters degree that focused upon the ME. That's why I believe as I do.

 

[Kruska]

The fanatics are the IRGC at the top of the regime, not the ones with the guns getting the paychecks.

The IRGC is now "finally" getting to the top - because YOUR TACO enabled it.

And the IRGC, the regular Iranian Army, it's police & militia police force, the Mullahs and ALL government workers/employees are the ones who get a regular paycheck and have guns. Take all these people and their families together with religious Iranian civilians - and you know exactly as to who is that "majority" in Iran's population that supports Iran's political & religious system.

 

[protectionist]

The IRGC is now "finally" getting to the top - because YOUR TACO enabled it.

And the IRGC, the regular Iranian Army, it's police & militia police force, the Mullahs and ALL government workers/employees are the ones who get a regular paycheck and have guns. Take all these people and their families together with religious Iranian civilians - and you know exactly as to who is that "majority" in Iran's population that supports Iran's political & religious system.

About 10% of Iran's population supports th IRGC. And even less than that will support them when the money runs out SOON.

When that happens, bye bye IRGC.

 

[candycorn]

Yup. Your guys have claimed the strait as their own.

You guys....their?

Nope

Sorry Candy, I don't worship politician in the way you do. I was just curious where you are getting these bizarre views on what is going on in Iran t end he conflict.

So you can’t shed any light on to the alleged “genius” of your blob’s negotiating skills. That is because there isn’t any despite your feminine protestations.

Now run along.

 

[candycorn]

Agreed. The Iranian leadership is playing Trump for concessions....and they are patient enough to get it. All they have to do is wait.

Well, they know that the blob will NEVER put boots on the ground. So they can wait.

He got caught bluffing.

 

[Rawley]

You guys....their?

You're clearly rooting against the President, which means you are rooting for the Mullahs

So you can’t shed any light on to the alleged “genius” of your blob’s negotiating skills. That is because there isn’t any despite your feminine protestations.

Now run along.

Honey, you don't even know what this " means.

 

[candycorn]

You're clearly rooting against the President, which means you are rooting for the Mullahs

Ahh, the GWB approach to foreign policy.....that gave us 20 years in Afghanisatan and 25+ years in Iraq (so far).

Honey, you don't even know what this " means.

Still waiting for you to break down the brilliance of Trump’s negotiating skill Sally. Can’t do it, can you?

 

[Kruska]

About 10% of Iran's population supports th IRGC.

According to WHO?
Unlike you, I have been to Iran a couple of times in the last 12 years.

And even less than that will support them when the money runs out SOON.

You have insight knowledge about Iran's Central bank? and the financial status of IRGC members, it's bank and it's businesses? please do tell.

 

[Divine Wind]

Well, they know that the blob will NEVER put boots on the ground. So they can wait.

He got caught bluffing.

IDK. Trump is stupid enough to try it.

 

[Mac-7]

March 6:

President Trump declared on Friday that he would settle for nothing short of “unconditional surrender” by Iran, the latest and broadest expansion of his goals for the conflict, and one that could portend a much longer war if he persists in that aim.

May 1 (less than 60 days later):

May 1: Mr. Trump rejected Iran’s latest proposal to end the war. “They want to make a deal, but I’m not satisfied with it,” he told reporters at the White House. On the same day, the president sent letters to Congress saying that hostilities with Iran “have terminated.”

We went from demanding an unconditional surrender of Iran to essentially surrendering ourselves.


Does anyone have any idea what we accomplished outside of Americans paying more for gas?

Hang in there

Keep praying that America will lose

But too bad for you we havent yet

 

[Rawley]

Ahh, the GWB approach to foreign policy.....that gave us 20 years in Afghanisatan and 25+ years in Iraq (so far).

LOL Your God Obama was killing brown people in the Middle East for 8 full years. So your whining about Trump's two month "quagmire" is rather rich

Still waiting for you to break down the brilliance of Trump’s negotiating skill Sally. Can’t do it, can you?

Sure, bomb the crap out of and destroy their military capability, kill their terrorist leadership, strangle their economy and make who is left capitulate.

F*cking brilliant

 

[candycorn]

IDK. Trump is stupid enough to try it.

Nope.

Bodies arriving at Dover are addressed to him and only him. Its not a responsibility he can pawn off on anyone else because he’s the only one who can order soldiers into combat.

That has been his modus operadi for 78 years--blame someone else when it goes to shit and its gone to shit often with the blob.

There is a reason that you never hear bad news out of the White House and when there is bad news, you get the “alternative facts” spin that you see here every day. $4.30 gas? Don’t worry, it was higher under Biden. Our navy acting like pirates on the open seas? Don’t worry, the people they killed were guilty--trust me. Its impossible to spin a dead daughter or son who died for nothing except to lower the price of a barrel of oil.

 

[candycorn]

LOL Your God Obama was killing brown people in the Middle East for 8 full years. So your whining about Trump's two month "quagmire" is rather rich

This is true. There was a reson for those strikes though; it wasn’t to distract from a miserable failure of a domestic agenda like your blob’s actions.

Sure, bomb the crap out of and destroy their military capability, kill their terrorist leadership, strangle their economy and make who is left capitulate.

F*cking brilliant

Have they capitulated? Nope. Failure.

And it was supposed to be over in 3 weeks. We’re now in our 3rd month. Failure.

We demanded “unconditional surrender”. And now your blob is making counter proposals. Failure.

The list goes on and on.