Mass Shooting At A Fort Myers Nightclub

[Snouter]

Is this yet another Muslim Terrorist attack? Typically when black folks have a beef, they only unload one clip and drive off. 18 people hit suggests yet another Muzzie Terrorist attack. Obviously I could be wrong, I am just speculating based on previous Muzzie Terrorist attacks and Black on Black shootings.

Florida shooting: 'At least two dead and 16 wounded' in gun attack on Fort Myers nightclub

 

[frigidweirdo]

Mass Shooting In Florida Nightclub - Report

Oh wait, it's in Florida which already has loads of guns.....

After spending days telling the Germans they are wrong for having strict gun control...... the right will probably give their reasons why there should be MORE guns.... right?

 

[WheelieAddict]

Mass Shooting In Florida Nightclub - Report

Oh wait, it's in Florida which already has loads of guns.....

After spending days telling the Germans they are wrong for having strict gun control...... the right will probably give their reasons why there should be MORE guns.... right?

The United States provides the right for citizens to have guns. This is not going away. The debate should be about access, liscensing, and getting rid of selling guns in a parking lot; with the aim to keep guns out of criminals hands and allow them to remain in lawful citizens hands.

 

[The Rabbi]

Mass Shooting In Florida Nightclub - Report

Oh wait, it's in Florida which already has loads of guns.....

After spending days telling the Germans they are wrong for having strict gun control...... the right will probably give their reasons why there should be MORE guns.... right?

The United States provides the right for citizens to have guns. This is not going away. The debate should be about access, liscensing, and getting rid of selling guns in a parking lot; with the aim to keep guns out of criminals hands and allow them to remain in lawful citizens hands.

How do you propose to keep guns out of the hands of criminals? You understand that was the rationale for the 1968 Gun Control Act, right? And that it is obviously a tremendous failure. So what measure do you think will keep criminals from breaking the law?

 

[The Rabbi]

Oh yeah There was a machete attack from a Syrian refugee in Germany yesterday. I'll bet not a few of those Germans wished they had a gun to take down that motherfucker.

 

[yiostheoy]

Mass Shooting In Florida Nightclub - Report

Oh wait, it's in Florida which already has loads of guns.....

After spending days telling the Germans they are wrong for having strict gun control...... the right will probably give their reasons why there should be MORE guns.... right?

1 - there are not enough police to protect you everywhere and at all times (a priori).

2 - if you want to be protected you need to protect yourself (a posteriori).

3 - to protect yourself against a gun you need a better gun and you need to be a better shot (a priori).

4 - to be a better shot you need to practice (a priori).

5 - to practice you need a gun (a prior).

6 - ergo everybody needs a gun (a posteriori).

A priori means self evident.

A posteriori means logically deduced.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The only thing that will reduce gun crime without curbing the rights of everyone are draconian sentences for gun crimes

All gun crimes should be made a federal offense with a minimum 25 year sentence with no parole

 

[OKTexas]

It was in the parking lot, not the club. It was teen night so most likely gang related. Isn't it already illegal for teens to have guns? Go figure, a criminal ignoring laws, who'd have thunk?

 

[yiostheoy]

Oh yeah There was a machete attack from a Syrian refugee in Germany yesterday. I'll bet not a few of those Germans wished they had a gun to take down that motherfucker.

Or at least your own machete so you can at least sword fight.

... Or a halberd of your own.

There are some kinds of weapons which are better than a gun against other kinds of weapons.

Up close a knife is faster than a gun.

But a machete has a reach advantage on a knife.

A long thick hiking stick would be better against a machete than a knife or another machete.

Two machetes would constitute a duel. Just as two equal guns constitutes a duel.

If you are going up against someone else who has a gun, you are better off with a shotgun or a carbine.

So what you should wish for depends on the situation.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Mass Shooting In Florida Nightclub - Report

Oh wait, it's in Florida which already has loads of guns.....

After spending days telling the Germans they are wrong for having strict gun control...... the right will probably give their reasons why there should be MORE guns.... right?

The United States provides the right for citizens to have guns. This is not going away. The debate should be about access, liscensing, and getting rid of selling guns in a parking lot; with the aim to keep guns out of criminals hands and allow them to remain in lawful citizens hands.

The debate can be about many things. About the impact of guns on society, which the right generally try and ignore. Why shouldn't people look for the root cause of problems and change the Constitution if they think it's wrong?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Mass Shooting In Florida Nightclub - Report

Oh wait, it's in Florida which already has loads of guns.....

After spending days telling the Germans they are wrong for having strict gun control...... the right will probably give their reasons why there should be MORE guns.... right?

The United States provides the right for citizens to have guns. This is not going away. The debate should be about access, liscensing, and getting rid of selling guns in a parking lot; with the aim to keep guns out of criminals hands and allow them to remain in lawful citizens hands.

The debate can be about many things. About the impact of guns on society, which the right generally try and ignore. Why shouldn't people look for the root cause of problems and change the Constitution if they think it's wrong?

The root cause of gun crime is not the second amendment

so changing it will not stop gun crimes

 

[The Rabbi]

Mass Shooting In Florida Nightclub - Report

Oh wait, it's in Florida which already has loads of guns.....

After spending days telling the Germans they are wrong for having strict gun control...... the right will probably give their reasons why there should be MORE guns.... right?

The United States provides the right for citizens to have guns. This is not going away. The debate should be about access, liscensing, and getting rid of selling guns in a parking lot; with the aim to keep guns out of criminals hands and allow them to remain in lawful citizens hands.

The debate can be about many things. About the impact of guns on society, which the right generally try and ignore. Why shouldn't people look for the root cause of problems and change the Constitution if they think it's wrong?

The root cause of crime is criminals. No need to change the Constitution.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Mass Shooting In Florida Nightclub - Report

Oh wait, it's in Florida which already has loads of guns.....

After spending days telling the Germans they are wrong for having strict gun control...... the right will probably give their reasons why there should be MORE guns.... right?

1 - there are not enough police to protect you everywhere and at all times (a priori).

2 - if you want to be protected you need to protect yourself (a posteriori).

3 - to protect yourself against a gun you need a better gun and you need to be a better shot (a priori).

4 - to be a better shot you need to practice (a priori).

5 - to practice you need a gun (a prior).

6 - ergo everybody needs a gun (a posteriori).

A priori means self evident.

A posteriori means logically deduced.

No, there aren't enough police. However you're more likely to die in the US where you can get a gun, than Germany where you can't.

So, it's a choice isn't it? A choice between a safer society or a more dangerous society. You may get the chance to protect yourself more in the more dangerous society, but you're more likely to be confronted by people with guns.

 

[yiostheoy]

The only thing that will reduce gun crime without curbing the rights of everyone are draconian sentences for gun crimes

All gun crimes should be made a federal offense with a minimum 25 year sentence with no parole

You are assuming that everyone who commits gun crime is already an x-con then, I take it.

Because anyone can still commit their first gun crime and with an endgame including suicide of some kind not mattering what the sentence for the gun crime is. This is what the wacko Islamic couple in San Bernardino did. No laws could have stopped them.

I do agree that certain felons need to stay in prison and spend the rest of their lives there.

But then we are going to need to vote more taxes for more prisons and more prison guards too.

California has already experienced prison overcrowding resulting from its own 3 strike policy.

 

[The Rabbi]

Mass Shooting In Florida Nightclub - Report

Oh wait, it's in Florida which already has loads of guns.....

After spending days telling the Germans they are wrong for having strict gun control...... the right will probably give their reasons why there should be MORE guns.... right?

The United States provides the right for citizens to have guns. This is not going away. The debate should be about access, liscensing, and getting rid of selling guns in a parking lot; with the aim to keep guns out of criminals hands and allow them to remain in lawful citizens hands.

The debate can be about many things. About the impact of guns on society, which the right generally try and ignore. Why shouldn't people look for the root cause of problems and change the Constitution if they think it's wrong?

The root cause of gun crime is not the second amendment

so changing it will not stop gun crimes

Wow it was like deja vu

 

[The Rabbi]

Mass Shooting In Florida Nightclub - Report

Oh wait, it's in Florida which already has loads of guns.....

After spending days telling the Germans they are wrong for having strict gun control...... the right will probably give their reasons why there should be MORE guns.... right?

1 - there are not enough police to protect you everywhere and at all times (a priori).

2 - if you want to be protected you need to protect yourself (a posteriori).

3 - to protect yourself against a gun you need a better gun and you need to be a better shot (a priori).

4 - to be a better shot you need to practice (a priori).

5 - to practice you need a gun (a prior).

6 - ergo everybody needs a gun (a posteriori).

A priori means self evident.

A posteriori means logically deduced.

No, there aren't enough police. However you're more likely to die in the US where you can get a gun, than Germany where you can't.

So, it's a choice isn't it? A choice between a safer society or a more dangerous society. You may get the chance to protect yourself more in the more dangerous society, but you're more likely to be confronted by people with guns.

You're more likely to die in America, where you can't buy beer everywhere, than in Germany, where you can.
See how that works?

 

[yiostheoy]

No, there aren't enough police. However you're more likely to die in the US where you can get a gun, than Germany where you can't.

So, it's a choice isn't it? A choice between a safer society or a more dangerous society. You may get the chance to protect yourself more in the more dangerous society, but you're more likely to be confronted by people with guns.

I would not like to live under German law where you essentially cannot defend yourself nor hunt without paying a fortune for the license.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The only thing that will reduce gun crime without curbing the rights of everyone are draconian sentences for gun crimes

All gun crimes should be made a federal offense with a minimum 25 year sentence with no parole

You are assuming that everyone who commits gun crime is already an x-con then, I take it.

Because anyone can still commit their first gun crime and with an endgame including suicide of some kind not mattering what the sentence for the gun crime is.

I do agree that certain felons need to stay in prison and spend the rest of their lives there.

But then we are going to need to vote more taxes for more prisons and more prison guards too.

California has already experienced prison overcrowding resulting from its own 3 strike policy.

I'm not assuming anything

I do know that criminals tend to repeat their crimes

ANd I don't care if a person never broke a law in his life the second he uses a gun illegally it's 25 years in jail period

 

[OKTexas]

The only thing that will reduce gun crime without curbing the rights of everyone are draconian sentences for gun crimes

All gun crimes should be made a federal offense with a minimum 25 year sentence with no parole

Mass Shooting In Florida Nightclub - Report

Oh wait, it's in Florida which already has loads of guns.....

After spending days telling the Germans they are wrong for having strict gun control...... the right will probably give their reasons why there should be MORE guns.... right?

The United States provides the right for citizens to have guns. This is not going away. The debate should be about access, liscensing, and getting rid of selling guns in a parking lot; with the aim to keep guns out of criminals hands and allow them to remain in lawful citizens hands.

The debate can be about many things. About the impact of guns on society, which the right generally try and ignore. Why shouldn't people look for the root cause of problems and change the Constitution if they think it's wrong?

Guns have zero impact on society, the people that misuse them do.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Mass Shooting In Florida Nightclub - Report

Oh wait, it's in Florida which already has loads of guns.....

After spending days telling the Germans they are wrong for having strict gun control...... the right will probably give their reasons why there should be MORE guns.... right?

The United States provides the right for citizens to have guns. This is not going away. The debate should be about access, liscensing, and getting rid of selling guns in a parking lot; with the aim to keep guns out of criminals hands and allow them to remain in lawful citizens hands.

The debate can be about many things. About the impact of guns on society, which the right generally try and ignore. Why shouldn't people look for the root cause of problems and change the Constitution if they think it's wrong?

The root cause of gun crime is not the second amendment

so changing it will not stop gun crimes

Firstly, I didn't say the 2A was the root cause of gun crime.

Changing it might have an impact however, depending on other stuff.

I've always said the US needs to change the way it goes about things, and the main change is how people vote. However, like I said, people might look at the root causes and see that guns in society don't necessarily make society safer.

If the US has 4 times more murders than European countries, then there are lots of issues around this. But the US doesn't want to change, so people will die.

At the same time the right will spend their whole time making sure nothing changes.