Mass Forced Removal Of Ukrainian's Beyond The Pail!

JimofPennsylvan

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Up until yesterday I thought the Biden administration has done an outstanding job at striking the right balance between helping Ukraine defend itself against the completely unlawful Russian military invasion and not doing anything to bring about America being drawn into this brutal war. But the news I heard yesterday should change the calculation for President Biden it should move him to give the Ukrainians better weapons to fight this war! Yesterday, I learned from multiple media sources that Russia has removed four hundred thousand Ukrainian civilians from Ukraine and is moving them deep into Russia some have had their papers confiscated from them some have been forced to sign documents that they will provide free labor in Russia; the number here is not four thousand or forty thousand it is four hundred thousand and Putin's army controls less than fifteen percent of the country what happens when he controls thirty to forty percent of Ukraine the world will likely see millions of Ukrainians forcibly removed from Ukraine.

This mass removal of an indigenous people of a country to the victor's country in a war cannot be allowed to stand this is a line the world should not allow to be crossed; this is barbaric this is something humanity has seen in ancient times before there was international law and bodies like the United Nations to uphold such, it is not behavior which is tolerable in modern civilization! Make no mistake here what these carried off Ukrainians will be is slaves in Russia, O Russia is clever on paper they may give them rights but practically they will have no rights! The removed Ukrainians will have to work in work camps, many will have to be sex slaves and physical and sexual abuse of these Ukrainians will be rampant at the hands of Russians and their life expectancy will be very low; after these removed Ukrainians experience what is in store for them in Russia most of them will probably have preferred to have died in Ukraine! This is an accurate assessment of the hell that awaits these Ukrainians in Russia and the Free World should do everything it can to help the Ukrainians win this war as quickly as possible and thereby protect hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian civilians from suffering this awful fate!

Before this forced removal of civilians development it was completely understandable America's position not to give Ukraine Polish MiG combat planes and U.S. older vintage combat planes (like F15s or F16s) because it could have been interpreted by Russian President Putin as America intervening in the war (or as Russian propaganda calls it "armed conflict") between Russia and Ukraine and triggered a response of Russia using chemical, biological or tactical nuclear weapons against America or her allies. With this carrying off into Russia of massive number of Ukrainian civilians the American government must act on this committed and ongoing atrocity and try to stop it and create a deterrent against any future tyrant pulling such behavior that is an afront to civilization in the future. Getting the Ukrainian people these valuable combat planes will meet this needed response requirement. Sure there is a risk that Putin could retaliate with weapons of mass destruction over this move by the United States but sometimes the moral stakes involved warrant accepting the risks involved and further prudence calls for the assessment that the stability of the Putin regime is vulnerable because of this war which at minimum somewhat mitigates the risk; a lot of ordinary Russian families have lost sons in this foolish war of choice by Putin, a lot of Russian businesses cannot operate because of the war's sanctions and practically all Russians are negatively economically impacted by the effects of this war and as President Biden essentially said yesterday if Putin uses weapons of mass destruction the United States will respond in-kind which very well may be the trigger which moves the Russian people to rise up and bring about the removal of Vladimir Putin from leadership in Russia. Vladimir Putin has many character flaws but being stupid isn't one of them and at this juncture with the state of things with Russia it would be stupid for President Putin to use weapons of mass destruction against America or her allies because the response would put the survivability of Putin's Kremlin regime in grave danger! The United States must take meaningful further steps to stop this forced removal of hundreds of thousands and likely millions of Ukrainian civilians from Ukraine at the hands of the Russian government or the American people will never live down the guilt over our nation's inaction here over this atrocity!
 
Up until yesterday I thought the Biden administration has done an outstanding job at striking the right balance between helping Ukraine defend itself against the completely unlawful Russian military invasion and not doing anything to bring about America being drawn into this brutal war.
You need to stop thinking out loud and organize your thoughts.

There's a simple answer to your final conclusion or question, whatever it could be.

For America to win the war in the Ukraine, it has to risk nuclear war with Russia. (and probably China too)

The United States must take meaningful further steps to stop this forced removal of hundreds of thousands and likely millions of Ukrainian civilians from Ukraine at the hands of the Russian government or the American people will never live down the guilt over our nation's inaction here over this atrocity!

All of the rest of your remarks are just window dressing that indicates you haven't yet come to appreciate the obvious.

That's arrogance that serves no purpose.
 
We need WWIII!!! Make China Great Again!

Let's defend the Ukrainian Nazis and clandestine US Bioweapons labs
Yet you buy stuff from China, with their Nazi death camps for Ughurs and (used to be) clandestine US bioweapons labs. Hypocrite much?
 
This is funny stuff. Russia moves refugees away from fighting is bad. Biden secretly moves illegal aliens and refugees across the country in the dead of night is good. The Zelensky boot lickers are rube central.
 
Up until yesterday I thought the Biden administration has done an outstanding job at striking the right balance between helping Ukraine defend itself against the completely unlawful Russian military invasion and not doing anything to bring about America being drawn into this brutal war. But the news I heard yesterday should change the calculation for President Biden it should move him to give the Ukrainians better weapons to fight this war! Yesterday, I learned from multiple media sources that Russia has removed four hundred thousand Ukrainian civilians from Ukraine and is moving them deep into Russia some have had their papers confiscated from them some have been forced to sign documents that they will provide free labor in Russia; the number here is not four thousand or forty thousand it is four hundred thousand and Putin's army controls less than fifteen percent of the country what happens when he controls thirty to forty percent of Ukraine the world will likely see millions of Ukrainians forcibly removed from Ukraine.

This mass removal of an indigenous people of a country to the victor's country in a war cannot be allowed to stand this is a line the world should not allow to be crossed; this is barbaric this is something humanity has seen in ancient times before there was international law and bodies like the United Nations to uphold such, it is not behavior which is tolerable in modern civilization! Make no mistake here what these carried off Ukrainians will be is slaves in Russia, O Russia is clever on paper they may give them rights but practically they will have no rights! The removed Ukrainians will have to work in work camps, many will have to be sex slaves and physical and sexual abuse of these Ukrainians will be rampant at the hands of Russians and their life expectancy will be very low; after these removed Ukrainians experience what is in store for them in Russia most of them will probably have preferred to have died in Ukraine! This is an accurate assessment of the hell that awaits these Ukrainians in Russia and the Free World should do everything it can to help the Ukrainians win this war as quickly as possible and thereby protect hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian civilians from suffering this awful fate!

Before this forced removal of civilians development it was completely understandable America's position not to give Ukraine Polish MiG combat planes and U.S. older vintage combat planes (like F15s or F16s) because it could have been interpreted by Russian President Putin as America intervening in the war (or as Russian propaganda calls it "armed conflict") between Russia and Ukraine and triggered a response of Russia using chemical, biological or tactical nuclear weapons against America or her allies. With this carrying off into Russia of massive number of Ukrainian civilians the American government must act on this committed and ongoing atrocity and try to stop it and create a deterrent against any future tyrant pulling such behavior that is an afront to civilization in the future. Getting the Ukrainian people these valuable combat planes will meet this needed response requirement. Sure there is a risk that Putin could retaliate with weapons of mass destruction over this move by the United States but sometimes the moral stakes involved warrant accepting the risks involved and further prudence calls for the assessment that the stability of the Putin regime is vulnerable because of this war which at minimum somewhat mitigates the risk; a lot of ordinary Russian families have lost sons in this foolish war of choice by Putin, a lot of Russian businesses cannot operate because of the war's sanctions and practically all Russians are negatively economically impacted by the effects of this war and as President Biden essentially said yesterday if Putin uses weapons of mass destruction the United States will respond in-kind which very well may be the trigger which moves the Russian people to rise up and bring about the removal of Vladimir Putin from leadership in Russia. Vladimir Putin has many character flaws but being stupid isn't one of them and at this juncture with the state of things with Russia it would be stupid for President Putin to use weapons of mass destruction against America or her allies because the response would put the survivability of Putin's Kremlin regime in grave danger! The United States must take meaningful further steps to stop this forced removal of hundreds of thousands and likely millions of Ukrainian civilians from Ukraine at the hands of the Russian government or the American people will never live down the guilt over our nation's inaction here over this atrocity!

Pretty sure they dont mean a pail.
The word you're looking for is Pale...you know,like a yankee in the spring or summer.
Those pasty white legs are nasty!!
 
Up until yesterday I thought the Biden administration has done an outstanding job at striking the right balance between helping Ukraine defend itself against the completely unlawful Russian military invasion and not doing anything to bring about America being drawn into this brutal war. But the news I heard yesterday should change the calculation for President Biden it should move him to give the Ukrainians better weapons to fight this war! Yesterday, I learned from multiple media sources that Russia has removed four hundred thousand Ukrainian civilians from Ukraine and is moving them deep into Russia some have had their papers confiscated from them some have been forced to sign documents that they will provide free labor in Russia; the number here is not four thousand or forty thousand it is four hundred thousand and Putin's army controls less than fifteen percent of the country what happens when he controls thirty to forty percent of Ukraine the world will likely see millions of Ukrainians forcibly removed from Ukraine.

This mass removal of an indigenous people of a country to the victor's country in a war cannot be allowed to stand this is a line the world should not allow to be crossed; this is barbaric this is something humanity has seen in ancient times before there was international law and bodies like the United Nations to uphold such, it is not behavior which is tolerable in modern civilization! Make no mistake here what these carried off Ukrainians will be is slaves in Russia, O Russia is clever on paper they may give them rights but practically they will have no rights! The removed Ukrainians will have to work in work camps, many will have to be sex slaves and physical and sexual abuse of these Ukrainians will be rampant at the hands of Russians and their life expectancy will be very low; after these removed Ukrainians experience what is in store for them in Russia most of them will probably have preferred to have died in Ukraine! This is an accurate assessment of the hell that awaits these Ukrainians in Russia and the Free World should do everything it can to help the Ukrainians win this war as quickly as possible and thereby protect hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian civilians from suffering this awful fate!

Before this forced removal of civilians development it was completely understandable America's position not to give Ukraine Polish MiG combat planes and U.S. older vintage combat planes (like F15s or F16s) because it could have been interpreted by Russian President Putin as America intervening in the war (or as Russian propaganda calls it "armed conflict") between Russia and Ukraine and triggered a response of Russia using chemical, biological or tactical nuclear weapons against America or her allies. With this carrying off into Russia of massive number of Ukrainian civilians the American government must act on this committed and ongoing atrocity and try to stop it and create a deterrent against any future tyrant pulling such behavior that is an afront to civilization in the future. Getting the Ukrainian people these valuable combat planes will meet this needed response requirement. Sure there is a risk that Putin could retaliate with weapons of mass destruction over this move by the United States but sometimes the moral stakes involved warrant accepting the risks involved and further prudence calls for the assessment that the stability of the Putin regime is vulnerable because of this war which at minimum somewhat mitigates the risk; a lot of ordinary Russian families have lost sons in this foolish war of choice by Putin, a lot of Russian businesses cannot operate because of the war's sanctions and practically all Russians are negatively economically impacted by the effects of this war and as President Biden essentially said yesterday if Putin uses weapons of mass destruction the United States will respond in-kind which very well may be the trigger which moves the Russian people to rise up and bring about the removal of Vladimir Putin from leadership in Russia. Vladimir Putin has many character flaws but being stupid isn't one of them and at this juncture with the state of things with Russia it would be stupid for President Putin to use weapons of mass destruction against America or her allies because the response would put the survivability of Putin's Kremlin regime in grave danger! The United States must take meaningful further steps to stop this forced removal of hundreds of thousands and likely millions of Ukrainian civilians from Ukraine at the hands of the Russian government or the American people will never live down the guilt over our nation's inaction here over this atrocity!
Learning to use paragraphs to break up huge walls of text is a really good way to get people to read your posts.

A wall of text is hard on the eyes and hard to read through so why bother putting so much effort into writing if you're not going to present it where it's a pleasant experience for the reader?

We can avoid completely any complications over the Polish Mig's by just flooding Ukriane with all types of antiaircraft weapons from Manpads to the S3 and similar systems the other former soviet states have and the Ukrainians are already trained to use.

The S3 can even reach their high altitude bombers.

I personally think it was a cop out to refuse to be part of the deal on the Migs and if Ukraine wants to conduct any sort of serous combined arms counter offenses to drive the Russians out they're definitely going to be needed.

Stop pussyfooting around and give them whatever they need as long as we're not committing US forces to combat in Ukraine.
 
This is funny stuff. Russia moves refugees away from fighting is bad. Biden secretly moves illegal aliens and refugees across the country in the dead of night is good. The Zelensky boot lickers are rube central.
You need to learn to focus.

This has nothing to do with US border policy and how Biden has completely screwed us on it.

This is about the Russians herding tens of thousands of Ukrainians against their will into Belarus and Russia both countries that are extremely hostile to their presence.
 
Pretty sure they dont mean a pail.
The word you're looking for is Pale...you know,like a yankee in the spring or summer.
Those pasty white legs are nasty!!
Yup, for some reason today many people misspell common words. The one that gets me the most is using breaks for brakes.
 
This is an accurate assessment of the hell that awaits these Ukrainians in Russia and the Free World should do everything it can to help the Ukrainians win this war as quickly as possible and thereby protect hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian civilians from suffering this awful fate!
It's a noble sentiment. Tell me, is it worth drawing the rest of the world into a nuclear exchange? We are facing a choice now that Putin has forced upon the world. How we answer it could mean the difference between life or death for our very civilization.
I have ZERO doubts that he would pull the trigger on a low-yield nuke either inside Ukraine or even over a NATO base that was supplying weapons to Ukraine. So... what then?
 
Ukrainian bandits launched a Tochka-U missile attack on a farm in the Zaporozhye region. There were no military facilities there.
As usual, the Ukro-army does, what they do best – they fight with civilians and especially with the population of eastern Ukraine, which the nazis consider pro-russian, and therefore unworthy of the right to life.
 

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