Zone1 Mark of the Beast?

[Carl in Michigan]

You're being fooled in to following him.

The Beast is a PERSON who is boastful, he exalts himself above all others, he's destructive, A man of lawlessness, arrogant, A deceiver, A liar above all liars, and a thief above all thieves that takes from the poor and gives it to his wealthy friends, he pretends to be a peacemaker, etc etc etc.

He's shown when the Churches fall away from the teachings of Christ and right in to supporting this ungodly man.

Ten Characteristics of the Anti-Christ According to the Bible

What are the characteristics of the anti-Christ? Are there some people alive that have these characteristics already? How can we identify the anti-Christ by his attributes?

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So ...
Donald Trump

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The Beast is the successive iterations of the Roman Empire.

Yep. If she read Daniel shes understand a "beast" always represents a powerful government. Yes there will be a person who personifies that government. Nobody disputes that.

And the Church, both God's Church and the great counterfeit are always represented as a woman

That great church that most people think represents Christianity is the counterfeit. And the world lov s that counterfeit.

 

[Woodznutz]

And the Church, both God's Church and the great counterfeit are always represented as a woman

True, and while the whore was growing powerful the elect lady was hiding in the wilderness.

 

[The Irish Ram]

You are not an authority on scripture. Being a literalist is the mark of the deceived.

lol, But you think you are?
I know how to read. There is every figure of speech in the Bible. And not all of it needs to be interpreted. You'll find literalism, symbolism, metaphors, parables, simile and so on. When God is referring to a forehead, there is no need to turn it into some other form of speech.
God tells us not to add to His word, or take away from it. You removed "fore" and in doing so came up with some ethereal meaning for what God was trying to say, and it changes the whole concept of what He is telling us.

God wants us to know that a real physical mark is coming, where it will be placed, and that will not let us buy or sell without it. If forehead means choice, then you need to scratch out the rest of the verse. Choice of whom to follow has nothing to do with buying and selling.
God tells us where the mark will be placed. And it has nothing to do with our choices, or actions. Put the "fore" back on "head" and you'll know where the mark goes.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...

 

[Carl in Michigan]

And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the LORD did unto me when I came forth out of Egypt.
9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes that the LORD’S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.

And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads

 

[Care4all]

So ...
Donald Trump

So YOU obviously see that Trump fits all his characteristics for you to say that, eh?

 

[The Irish Ram]

I agree with the teaching that the Mark if the Beast is the acceptance of Sunday as the Sabbath

Can your choice of days prevent you from buying and selling depending on which day you choose? Can you be prevented from buying or selling if you accept Tuesday as the Sabbath instead of Saturday or Sunday?
Is there a difference between the word's choice and a mark? Nothing in the passage refers to choice. It does however provide us with the location of a mark that we will not be able to buy or sell without.

Here is how China is to preventing their citizens from buying and selling:

 

[The Irish Ram]

Forehead is symbolic of the mind. The right hand is symbolic of work.

For this reason I believe acceptance of Catholic Sunday and being forced to work on Sabbath is the Mark if the Beast. The Beast is already here. It just hasn't reached the point where it can enforce it's will

In other words, you won't be able to buy or sell without a mind? And what does God say about our work?
If God allowed the Temple to be destroyed, do you really think he is concerned about which day of the week you choose?
If you worship God on a Saturday, He will accept that as righteousness on your part. If you choose to worship God on Sunday, He will count it as righteousness on your part.

"Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness."

Romans 4:24:
... "but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

God doesn't care about our calendar. Or what building we walk into on Sat. or Sun. It's all about having a heart for Jesus.

 

[The Irish Ram]

God’s Grace of forgiveness is not unconditional. Maybe read the Lord’s Prayer?

God will forgive any sin we commit if we are repentant, except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Yes, agree it is a physical thing. But it is a decision, to follow the Beast, the Antichrist, instead of Jesus, and what he taught....by accepting the mark.

Where will the mark be placed for those who accept Satan as their choice?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The Mark ON THE FOREHEAD of God's Church

In contrast to this mark of the beast is Revelation 3:12, where Jesus said he would write God’s name on those who are victorious. And in Revelation 7:3, a mark is put on the forehead of the servants of God, a mark that in Revelation 14:1 is identified as the names of Jesus and the Father.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

lol, But you think you are?
I know how to read. There is every figure of speech in the Bible. And not all of it needs to be interpreted. You'll find literalism, symbolism, metaphors, parables, simile and so on. When God is referring to a forehead, there is no need to turn it into some other form of speech.
God tells us not to add to His word, or take away from it. You removed "fore" and in doing so came up with some ethereal meaning for what God was trying to say, and it changes the whole concept of what He is telling us.

God wants us to know that a real physical mark is coming, where it will be placed, and that will not let us buy or sell without it. If forehead means choice, then you need to scratch out the rest of the verse. Choice of whom to follow has nothing to do with buying and selling.
God tells us where the mark will be placed. And it has nothing to do with our choices, or actions. Put the "fore" back on "head" and you'll know where the mark goes.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...

Biblical literalism is a cult.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The Beast (government) ENFORCES the religion of the False Prophet (Catholic Pope). Flee Catholicism and avoid her Mark -- Sunday worship

And where do they flee to? To the Daughters of the Whore Protestants, as you put it?
If you start your worship on Sat. night, and it spills over to 12:01 on Sunday, are you covered by the blood of the Lamb, or are you still a whore?
Do you not worship the Lord on a daily basis? Do you pray to Him daily, and does He not hear your worship unless it is on a specific day of the week?
Your salvation does not rest on a linear time frame.

 

[The Irish Ram]

It's all rather mysterious, the symbol of the cross. Especially the symbolic act of "crossing" oneself. God the father is at the top (forehead) Jesus the son is at the bottom (mid body) while the Holy (left shoulder) Spirit (right shoulder) is between the two.

Jesus said He and the Father are one. How is one at the top then and the same one is on the bottom?
It's merely Catholic dogma. A way of showing your faith in the work on the cross.
If you never cross yourself, are you saved?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Biblical literalism is a cult.

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It's a good thing that nobody but you cares about you opinion.




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[Care4all]

Where will the mark be placed for those who accept Satan as their choice?

I believe the hand or the forehead, as said in the Bible.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The Beast is the successive iterations of the Roman Empire.

The beast is in End Time prophecy. None of which fits the Roman profile.
Before the beast makes an appearance, God gathers His people to Israel. They were already in Israel during the Roman Empire.
Who were the two prophets that the world watched as they were slain and then returned to life? We have satellites to be able to watch that in real time, now. What channel did the Romans tune into to fulfill that end time prophesy?
When did Christ touch down on the Mt. of Olives and cause it to split in half, during the Roman occupation? It remains in one piece to this day, because it doesn't happen until the end time.

Iteration is repetition. Rome has nothing to do with Israel today, and hasn't for a long, long time. The battle they are facing now is between Isaac and Ishmael. Muslim against Jew.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Some of you will be waiting for something that will never happen. Meanwhile you've already accepted the Mark if the Beast

 

[The Irish Ram]

Yep. If she read Daniel shes understand a "beast" always represents a powerful government. Yes there will be a person who personifies that government. Nobody disputes that.

And the Church, both God's Church and the great counterfeit are always represented as a woman

That great church that most people think represents Christianity is the counterfeit. And the world lov s that counterfeit.

Do you believe that God is going to condemn over a billion people to hell for praying with a rosary, or eating fish on Fri?
Can you take that farther? There are over 200 Christian denominations attributed to different dogma. Will God only accept the Nazarene? The Baptist? The Presbyterian? Which one gets it 100% right?

Want to go to Heaven? Love Jesus, the Father, and your neighbor, and you have fulfilled the Law.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Do you believe that God is going to condemn over a billion people to hell for praying with a rosary, or eating fish on Fri?

They will go through the Great Tribulation.

I don't believe AT ALL in the traditional concept of Hell.

The wicked will be GONE, not tortured for eternity. But that's another topic

You will trample the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day I am preparing,” says the Lord of Armies.