Rigby5
Diamond Member
What was the lie?
These cases take a long time. They are very complex.
All the documents were presidential executive orders? Even the ones with nuclear secrets that he kept?
Trump has no indictments for documents for the time he was president so not sure why you think this matters.
Agreed. It was seditious conspiracy.
I agree. None of the indictments are for paying hush money.
I am starting to think you haven't read the indictments.
Trump defrauded the banks. That is illegal.
All the prosecutors lied. Like Jack Smith lied and said that presidents can not legally retain classified docs.
And that clearly is a lie because president routinely give permanent copies to whomever they want, like ambassadors, allies, labs, generals, etc., and they legally can also give permanent copies to themselves if they want to.
These cases are not at all complex, and the prosecutors put their cases together in just a few weeks.
That clearly shows fraud, since if the violations were valid they would have been prosecuted as much as 6 years ago when the events happened.
I did NOT say "All the documents were presidential executive orders".
What I said was that all the classified doc laws are presidential executive orders.
The current one is EO 13526, by Obama, in 2009.
It says president can do whatever they want with classified docs.
Trump had no classified docs of significance, especially not any on nuclear secrets.
Since presidents can legally give permanent copies of classified docs to any anyone, that includes themselves, so then can legally have all the classified docs they want after no longer president.
There has never been a legal law on "sedition".
In a republic, sedition has to always be legal.
As Jefferson said, all governments always tend towards corruption and we should likely have periodic rebellions. He was likely correct. This government likely became so corrupt as to be invalid around 1890.
And if you are not aware of the hush money indictment, you are not paying attention.
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A stone-faced Donald Trump made a momentous courtroom appearance Tuesday when he was confronted with a 34-count felony indictment charging him in a scheme to bury allegations of extramarital affairs that arose during his first White House campaign.
The arraignment in a Manhattan courtroom was a stunning — and humbling — spectacle for the first ex-president to ever face criminal charges. With Trump watching in silence, prosecutors bluntly accused him of criminal conduct and set the stage for a possible criminal trial in the city where he became a celebrity decades ago.
...}
How did Trump "defraud banks" since he paid them what they asked, never defaulted, and they make good profit?
There can never be a law requiring accurate valuation by a buyer, since he is never an expert. The bank and insurance companies always hire expert appraisers.
The law being used against Trump was for security exchanges, not mortgage appliers.