john this was a new not very well tested shot....when many people died weeks after getting the shot....what the fuck do you think many people are going to think?.....especially those who didnt want it....
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Marjorie Taylor Greene claims ‘bullshit’ as expert says Covid vaccine saved 14m lives
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John Edgar Slow Horses
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Harry, you don't have the evidence. When you do, let us all know. Until then...
john we had threads here were people had bad reactions to the shot which made their paranoia even worse.....yea until then john....Harry, you don't have the evidence. When you do, let us all know. Until then...
Those white blood clots being collected by morticians is what sane folks call evidence Sally.Harry, no, it does not look like it. You have only allegations, no evidence.
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Norm, you are just making things up.
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MTG is right. There's no possible way to scientifically or mathematically get to that conclusion. I don't even know if you can absolutely prove that vaccines saved 1000 lives. Liberals hate MTG mostly because she's much smarter than they are and is willing to challenge their absurd positions like defunding police, sex changes for 10-year-olds without parental consent, racist CRT, drag shows in elementary schools, catch and release of violent criminals and open borders to name a few things. Democrats hate that MGT will always stand up for what's right in opposition to the woke ideology Democrats worship. MAGA
"prove" is one thing, to look at the statistics and you see something else.
You can make educated arguments about how much the vaccine worked. It takes a lot of effort because clearly the coronavirus works differently in huge urban areas than in rural areas. Also depends on how different places recorded the coronavirus, how many people went to hospital with the coronavirus etc etc.
You cannot prove most things in this world, but you can look and inform and see the trends.
MTG is not "smart". She's a loud mouth who, like Trump, likes the attention she gets for being a loud mouth.
She didn't make a great argument. "Greene first dismissed the doctor’s comments as “bullshit”." She's Congresswoman and she can't speak better than "bullshit"? Can't explain her thought process? Or maybe that's because the people she's talking to are people for whom "bullshit" is the height of their education.
"Then she used her allotted five minutes to deliver rambling remarks about “all kinds of injuries, miscarriages, heart attacks, myocarditis, permanent disability, neurological problems” that she said had arisen from “people being forced to take vaccines”."
This isn't an argument. This is just saying "this happened, therefore bad".
Yes, there needs to be an open debate about vaccines, yes, some of the people pushing the other side, intelligent people, are not being entirely honest. But you're not going to get anywhere by coming across as a child, like MTG does.
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Anybody who takes medical advice from MTG will take her bullshit as well.
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"prove" is one thing, to look at the statistics and you see something else.
You can make educated arguments about how much the vaccine worked. It takes a lot of effort because clearly the coronavirus works differently in huge urban areas than in rural areas. Also depends on how different places recorded the coronavirus, how many people went to hospital with the coronavirus etc etc.
You cannot prove most things in this world, but you can look and inform and see the trends.
MTG is not "smart". She's a loud mouth who, like Trump, likes the attention she gets for being a loud mouth.
She didn't make a great argument. "Greene first dismissed the doctor’s comments as “bullshit”." She's Congresswoman and she can't speak better than "bullshit"? Can't explain her thought process? Or maybe that's because the people she's talking to are people for whom "bullshit" is the height of their education.
"Then she used her allotted five minutes to deliver rambling remarks about “all kinds of injuries, miscarriages, heart attacks, myocarditis, permanent disability, neurological problems” that she said had arisen from “people being forced to take vaccines”."
This isn't an argument. This is just saying "this happened, therefore bad".
Yes, there needs to be an open debate about vaccines, yes, some of the people pushing the other side, intelligent people, are not being entirely honest. But you're not going to get anywhere by coming across as a child, like MTG does.
I agree that MTG can be blunt and sometime even crude, but I don't have a problem with that in this case. She has been called a wack job and a neanderthal by the MSM, the pharmaceuticals and the deep state. She has been called a liar by liars and a conspiracist by conspiracists. So in light of the fact that vaccines have been shown to cause illnesses and death in some cases and have NEVER been proven to prevent COVID or its spread, I think MTG has every right to her strong reaction. MAGA"prove" is one thing, to look at the statistics and you see something else.
You can make educated arguments about how much the vaccine worked. It takes a lot of effort because clearly the coronavirus works differently in huge urban areas than in rural areas. Also depends on how different places recorded the coronavirus, how many people went to hospital with the coronavirus etc etc.
You cannot prove most things in this world, but you can look and inform and see the trends.
MTG is not "smart". She's a loud mouth who, like Trump, likes the attention she gets for being a loud mouth.
She didn't make a great argument. "Greene first dismissed the doctor’s comments as “bullshit”." She's Congresswoman and she can't speak better than "bullshit"? Can't explain her thought process? Or maybe that's because the people she's talking to are people for whom "bullshit" is the height of their education.
"Then she used her allotted five minutes to deliver rambling remarks about “all kinds of injuries, miscarriages, heart attacks, myocarditis, permanent disability, neurological problems” that she said had arisen from “people being forced to take vaccines”."
This isn't an argument. This is just saying "this happened, therefore bad".
Yes, there needs to be an open debate about vaccines, yes, some of the people pushing the other side, intelligent people, are not being entirely honest. But you're not going to get anywhere by coming across as a child, like MTG does.
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I agree that MTG can be blunt and sometime even crude, but I don't have a problem with that in this case. She has been called a wack job and a neanderthal by the MSM, the pharmaceuticals and the deep state. She has been called a liar by liars and a conspiracist by conspiracists. So in light of the fact that vaccines have been shown to cause illnesses and death in some cases and have NEVER been proven to prevent COVID or its spread, I think MTG has every right to her strong reaction. MAGA
No, I think you're wrong.
Yes, she can come with criticism, but intelligent criticism. She's not doing that. She's just getting people to doubt things without giving them any kind of information at all. It's bad governance, bad leadership.
Here's some info to cast doubt then>he's just getting people to doubt things without giving them any kind of information
List of largest pharmaceutical settlements - Wikipedia
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The following is a list of the 20 largest settlements reached between the United States Department of Justice and pharmaceutical companies from 2001 to 2012, ordered by the size of the total settlement. The settlement amount includes both the civil (False Claims Act) settlement and criminal fine. Glaxo's $3 billion settlement included the largest civil False Claims Act settlement on record,[1] and Pfizer’s $2.3 billion ($3.5 billion in 2022) settlement including a record-breaking $1.3 billion criminal fine.[2] Legal claims against the pharmaceutical industry have varied widely over the past two decades, including Medicare and Medicaid fraud, off-label promotion, and inadequate manufacturing practices.[3][4] With respect to off-label promotion, specifically, a federal court recognized off-label promotion as a violation of the False Claims Act for the first time in Franklin v. Parke-Davis, leading to a $430 million settlement.[5]
| Year | Company | Settlement | Violation(s) | Product(s) | Laws violated (if applicable) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2012 | GlaxoSmithKline[1][6] | $3 billion ($1B criminal, $2B civil) | Criminal: Off-label promotion, failure to disclose safety data. Civil: paying kickbacks to physicians, making false and misleading statements concerning the safety of Avandia, reporting false best prices and underpaying rebates owed under the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program | Avandia (not providing safety data), Wellbutrin, Paxil (promotion of paediatric use), Advair, Lamictal, Zofran, Imitrex, Lotronex, Flovent, Valtrex | False Claims Act, FDCA |
| 2009 | Pfizer[2] | $2.3 billion | Off-label promotion, kickbacks | Bextra, Geodon, Zyvox, Lyrica | False Claims Act, FDCA |
| 2013 | Johnson & Johnson[7] | $2.2 billion | Off-label promotion, kickbacks | Risperdal, Invega, Nesiritide | False Claims Act, FDCA |
| 2012 | Abbott Laboratories[8] | $1.5 billion | Off-label promotion | Depakote | False Claims Act, FDCA |
| 2009 | Eli Lilly[9] | $1.4 billion | Off-label promotion | Zyprexa | False Claims Act, FDCA |
| 2001 | TAP Pharmaceutical Products[10] | $875 million | Medicare fraud, kickbacks | Lupron | False Claims Act, Prescription Drug Marketing Act |
| 2012 | Amgen[11] | $762 million | Off-label promotion, kickbacks | Aranesp | False Claims Act, FDCA |
| 2010 | GlaxoSmithKline[12] | $750 million | Poor manufacturing practices | Kytril, Bactroban, Paxil CR, Avandamet | False Claims Act, FDCA |
| 2005 | Serono[13] | $704 million | Off-label promotion, kickbacks, monopolistic practices | Serostim | False Claims Act |
| 2008 | Merck[14] | $650 million | Medicare fraud, kickbacks | Zocor, Vioxx, Pepsid | False Claims Act, Medicaid Rebate Statute |
| 2007 | Purdue Pharma[15] | $601 million | Off-label promotion | Oxycontin | False Claims Act |
| 2010 | Allergan[16] | $600 million | Off-label promotion | Botox | False Claims Act, FDCA |
| 2010 | AstraZeneca[17] | $520 million | Off-label promotion, kickbacks | Seroquel | False Claims Act |
| 2007 | Bristol-Myers Squibb[18] | $515 million | Off-label promotion, kickbacks, Medicare fraud | Abilify, Serzone | False Claims Act, FDCA |
| 2002 | Schering-Plough[19] | $500 million | Poor manufacturing practices | Claritin | FDA Current Good Manufacturing Practices |
| 2006 | Mylan[20] | $465 million | Misclassification under the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program | EpiPen (epinephrine) | False Claims Act |
| 2006 | Schering-Plough[21] | $435 million | Off-label promotion, kickbacks, Medicare fraud | Temodar, Intron A, K-Dur, Claritin RediTabs | False Claims Act, FDCA |
| 2004[22] | Pfizer | $430 million | Off-label promotion | Neurontin | False Claims Act, FDCA |
| 2008 | Cephalon[23] | $425 million | Off-label promotion[23] | Actiq, Gabitril, Provigil | False Claims Act, FDCA |
| 2010 | Novartis[24] | $423 million | Off-label promotion, kickbacks | Trileptal | False Claims Act, FDCA |
| 2003 | AstraZeneca[25] | $355 million | Medicare fraud | Zoladex | Prescription Drug Marketing Act |
| 2004 | Schering-Plough[26] | $345 million | Medicare fraud, kickbacks | Claritin | False Claims Act, Anti-Kickback Statute |
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Here's some info to cast doubt then>
List of largest pharmaceutical settlements - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The following is a list of the 20 largest settlements reached between the United States Department of Justice and pharmaceutical companies from 2001 to 2012, ordered by the size of the total settlement. The settlement amount includes both the civil (False Claims Act) settlement and criminal fine. Glaxo's $3 billion settlement included the largest civil False Claims Act settlement on record,[1] and Pfizer’s $2.3 billion ($3.5 billion in 2022) settlement including a record-breaking $1.3 billion criminal fine.[2] Legal claims against the pharmaceutical industry have varied widely over the past two decades, including Medicare and Medicaid fraud, off-label promotion, and inadequate manufacturing practices.[3][4] With respect to off-label promotion, specifically, a federal court recognized off-label promotion as a violation of the False Claims Act for the first time in Franklin v. Parke-Davis, leading to a $430 million settlement.[5]
Year Company Settlement Violation(s) Product(s) Laws violated
(if applicable)2012 GlaxoSmithKline[1][6] $3 billion ($1B criminal, $2B civil) Criminal: Off-label promotion, failure to disclose safety data.
Civil: paying kickbacks to physicians, making false and misleading statements concerning the safety of Avandia, reporting false best prices and underpaying rebates owed under the Medicaid Drug Rebate ProgramAvandia (not providing safety data), Wellbutrin, Paxil (promotion of paediatric use), Advair, Lamictal, Zofran, Imitrex, Lotronex, Flovent, Valtrex False Claims Act, FDCA 2009 Pfizer[2] $2.3 billion Off-label promotion, kickbacks Bextra, Geodon, Zyvox, Lyrica False Claims Act, FDCA 2013 Johnson & Johnson[7] $2.2 billion Off-label promotion, kickbacks Risperdal, Invega, Nesiritide False Claims Act, FDCA 2012 Abbott Laboratories[8] $1.5 billion Off-label promotion Depakote False Claims Act, FDCA 2009 Eli Lilly[9] $1.4 billion Off-label promotion Zyprexa False Claims Act, FDCA 2001 TAP Pharmaceutical Products[10] $875 million Medicare fraud, kickbacks Lupron False Claims Act, Prescription Drug Marketing Act 2012 Amgen[11] $762 million Off-label promotion, kickbacks Aranesp False Claims Act, FDCA 2010 GlaxoSmithKline[12] $750 million Poor manufacturing practices Kytril, Bactroban, Paxil CR, Avandamet False Claims Act, FDCA 2005 Serono[13] $704 million Off-label promotion, kickbacks, monopolistic practices Serostim False Claims Act 2008 Merck[14] $650 million Medicare fraud, kickbacks Zocor, Vioxx, Pepsid False Claims Act, Medicaid Rebate Statute 2007 Purdue Pharma[15] $601 million Off-label promotion Oxycontin False Claims Act 2010 Allergan[16] $600 million Off-label promotion Botox False Claims Act, FDCA 2010 AstraZeneca[17] $520 million Off-label promotion, kickbacks Seroquel False Claims Act 2007 Bristol-Myers Squibb[18] $515 million Off-label promotion, kickbacks, Medicare fraud Abilify, Serzone False Claims Act, FDCA 2002 Schering-Plough[19] $500 million Poor manufacturing practices Claritin FDA Current Good Manufacturing Practices 2006 Mylan[20] $465 million Misclassification under the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program EpiPen (epinephrine) False Claims Act 2006 Schering-Plough[21] $435 million Off-label promotion, kickbacks, Medicare fraud Temodar, Intron A, K-Dur, Claritin RediTabs False Claims Act, FDCA 2004[22] Pfizer $430 million Off-label promotion Neurontin False Claims Act, FDCA 2008 Cephalon[23] $425 million Off-label promotion[23] Actiq, Gabitril, Provigil False Claims Act, FDCA 2010 Novartis[24] $423 million Off-label promotion, kickbacks Trileptal False Claims Act, FDCA 2003 AstraZeneca[25] $355 million Medicare fraud Zoladex Prescription Drug Marketing Act 2004 Schering-Plough[26] $345 million Medicare fraud, kickbacks Claritin False Claims Act, Anti-Kickback Statute
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Okay, and?
We know the pharma companies get up to all kinds of things to cover up problems.
That doesn't stop the fact that the coronavirus was killing people left right and center and the vaccines helped to lower the number of deaths, even if there were problems with those vaccines.
No longer an 'IF'.....even if there were problems with those vaccines.
that should be evident to even the most aloof now Frigid one
that some keep hammering science, science, science , while it's orgins hail from this rock's biggest criminals is the epitome of cognitive dissonance....
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It didn't take any political person for me to take the position of never getting an experimental vaccine.
I was convinced the very minute that the manufacturers were protected from liability that I wasn't touching the crap. Later, the fact that the vaxx didn't live up to it's promises only reinforced my decision.
When I finally tested positive for Covid it amounted to a minor 24 hour cold.
I have taken many other PROVEN vaccines, so that anti vaxxer line is bullshit.
Seems many folks have given up on it since only 7% of the population have bothered with the latest booster.
This is a decision between a doctor and their patients. Not from a political figure, media talking head or celebrity. They can all stay the fuck out of my personal health decisions.
I was convinced the very minute that the manufacturers were protected from liability that I wasn't touching the crap. Later, the fact that the vaxx didn't live up to it's promises only reinforced my decision.
When I finally tested positive for Covid it amounted to a minor 24 hour cold.
I have taken many other PROVEN vaccines, so that anti vaxxer line is bullshit.
Seems many folks have given up on it since only 7% of the population have bothered with the latest booster.
This is a decision between a doctor and their patients. Not from a political figure, media talking head or celebrity. They can all stay the fuck out of my personal health decisions.
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MTG is a whack job and a liar and stupid, yes.
And those who believe her share some or all of those attributeds.
And those who believe her share some or all of those attributeds.
Video on post 32 is clear and compelling evidence Adolph.Norm, you are just making things up.
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No longer an 'IF'.....
that should be evident to even the most aloof now Frigid one
that some keep hammering science, science, science , while it's orgins hail from this rock's biggest criminals is the epitome of cognitive dissonance....
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The issue here is that there's a virus that killed loads of people. Also the other issue is, speak in a sensible manner, act professional, don't act like an idiot, and then maybe people will take you more seriously.
Anyone who opines against the national narrative is not taken seriously frigid one, they are simply dismissed as unprofessional idiots , and the sheepeople follow suitThe issue here is that there's a virus that killed loads of people. Also the other issue is, speak in a sensible manner, act professional, don't act like an idiot, and then maybe people will take you more seriously.
This is fascism 101, believing those that govern you are beyond reproach
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vax deniers live on a diet of bullshit
The poison jab kills.
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