Marjorie Taylor Greene claims ‘bullshit’ as expert says Covid vaccine saved 14m lives

[Harry Dresden]

People are saying it because they don't understand medicine, science, and pandemics.

MTG is full of it. Those who follow her are to be pitied, Harry.

john this was a new not very well tested shot....when many people died weeks after getting the shot....what the **** do you think many people are going to think?.....especially those who didnt want it....

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Harry, you don't have the evidence. When you do, let us all know. Until then...

 

[Harry Dresden]

Harry, you don't have the evidence. When you do, let us all know. Until then...

john we had threads here were people had bad reactions to the shot which made their paranoia even worse.....yea until then john....

 

[HeyNorm]

Harry, no, it does not look like it. You have only allegations, no evidence.

Those white blood clots being collected by morticians is what sane folks call evidence Sally.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Norm, you are just making things up.

 

[frigidweirdo]

MTG is right. There's no possible way to scientifically or mathematically get to that conclusion. I don't even know if you can absolutely prove that vaccines saved 1000 lives. Liberals hate MTG mostly because she's much smarter than they are and is willing to challenge their absurd positions like defunding police, sex changes for 10-year-olds without parental consent, racist CRT, drag shows in elementary schools, catch and release of violent criminals and open borders to name a few things. Democrats hate that MGT will always stand up for what's right in opposition to the woke ideology Democrats worship. MAGA

"prove" is one thing, to look at the statistics and you see something else.

You can make educated arguments about how much the vaccine worked. It takes a lot of effort because clearly the coronavirus works differently in huge urban areas than in rural areas. Also depends on how different places recorded the coronavirus, how many people went to hospital with the coronavirus etc etc.

You cannot prove most things in this world, but you can look and inform and see the trends.

MTG is not "smart". She's a loud mouth who, like Trump, likes the attention she gets for being a loud mouth.

She didn't make a great argument. "Greene first dismissed the doctor’s comments as “bullshit”." She's Congresswoman and she can't speak better than "bullshit"? Can't explain her thought process? Or maybe that's because the people she's talking to are people for whom "bullshit" is the height of their education.

"Then she used her allotted five minutes to deliver rambling remarks about “all kinds of injuries, miscarriages, heart attacks, myocarditis, permanent disability, neurological problems” that she said had arisen from “people being forced to take vaccines”."

This isn't an argument. This is just saying "this happened, therefore bad".

Yes, there needs to be an open debate about vaccines, yes, some of the people pushing the other side, intelligent people, are not being entirely honest. But you're not going to get anywhere by coming across as a child, like MTG does.

 

[sparky]

I'd trust MTG before i'd trust the pharmaceutical industry ~S~

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Anybody who takes medical advice from MTG will take her bullshit as well.

 

[wamose]

GA

"prove" is one thing, to look at the statistics and you see something else.

You can make educated arguments about how much the vaccine worked. It takes a lot of effort because clearly the coronavirus works differently in huge urban areas than in rural areas. Also depends on how different places recorded the coronavirus, how many people went to hospital with the coronavirus etc etc.

You cannot prove most things in this world, but you can look and inform and see the trends.

MTG is not "smart". She's a loud mouth who, like Trump, likes the attention she gets for being a loud mouth.

She didn't make a great argument. "Greene first dismissed the doctor’s comments as “bullshit”." She's Congresswoman and she can't speak better than "bullshit"? Can't explain her thought process? Or maybe that's because the people she's talking to are people for whom "bullshit" is the height of their education.

"Then she used her allotted five minutes to deliver rambling remarks about “all kinds of injuries, miscarriages, heart attacks, myocarditis, permanent disability, neurological problems” that she said had arisen from “people being forced to take vaccines”."

This isn't an argument. This is just saying "this happened, therefore bad".

Yes, there needs to be an open debate about vaccines, yes, some of the people pushing the other side, intelligent people, are not being entirely honest. But you're not going to get anywhere by coming across as a child, like MTG does.

"prove" is one thing, to look at the statistics and you see something else.

You can make educated arguments about how much the vaccine worked. It takes a lot of effort because clearly the coronavirus works differently in huge urban areas than in rural areas. Also depends on how different places recorded the coronavirus, how many people went to hospital with the coronavirus etc etc.

You cannot prove most things in this world, but you can look and inform and see the trends.

MTG is not "smart". She's a loud mouth who, like Trump, likes the attention she gets for being a loud mouth.

She didn't make a great argument. "Greene first dismissed the doctor’s comments as “bullshit”." She's Congresswoman and she can't speak better than "bullshit"? Can't explain her thought process? Or maybe that's because the people she's talking to are people for whom "bullshit" is the height of their education.

"Then she used her allotted five minutes to deliver rambling remarks about “all kinds of injuries, miscarriages, heart attacks, myocarditis, permanent disability, neurological problems” that she said had arisen from “people being forced to take vaccines”."

This isn't an argument. This is just saying "this happened, therefore bad".

Yes, there needs to be an open debate about vaccines, yes, some of the people pushing the other side, intelligent people, are not being entirely honest. But you're not going to get anywhere by coming across as a child, like MTG does.

I agree that MTG can be blunt and sometime even crude, but I don't have a problem with that in this case. She has been called a wack job and a neanderthal by the MSM, the pharmaceuticals and the deep state. She has been called a liar by liars and a conspiracist by conspiracists. So in light of the fact that vaccines have been shown to cause illnesses and death in some cases and have NEVER been proven to prevent COVID or its spread, I think MTG has every right to her strong reaction. MAGA

 

[frigidweirdo]

GA



I agree that MTG can be blunt and sometime even crude, but I don't have a problem with that in this case. She has been called a wack job and a neanderthal by the MSM, the pharmaceuticals and the deep state. She has been called a liar by liars and a conspiracist by conspiracists. So in light of the fact that vaccines have been shown to cause illnesses and death in some cases and have NEVER been proven to prevent COVID or its spread, I think MTG has every right to her strong reaction. MAGA

No, I think you're wrong.

Yes, she can come with criticism, but intelligent criticism. She's not doing that. She's just getting people to doubt things without giving them any kind of information at all. It's bad governance, bad leadership.

 

[sparky]

he's just getting people to doubt things without giving them any kind of information

Here's some info to cast doubt then>

List of largest pharmaceutical settlements - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The following is a list of the 20 largest settlements reached between the United States Department of Justice and pharmaceutical companies from 2001 to 2012, ordered by the size of the total settlement. The settlement amount includes both the civil (False Claims Act) settlement and criminal fine. Glaxo's $3 billion settlement included the largest civil False Claims Act settlement on record,[1] and Pfizer’s $2.3 billion ($3.5 billion in 2022) settlement including a record-breaking $1.3 billion criminal fine.[2] Legal claims against the pharmaceutical industry have varied widely over the past two decades, including Medicare and Medicaid fraud, off-label promotion, and inadequate manufacturing practices.[3][4] With respect to off-label promotion, specifically, a federal court recognized off-label promotion as a violation of the False Claims Act for the first time in Franklin v. Parke-Davis, leading to a $430 million settlement.[5]

Year	Company	Settlement	Violation(s)	Product(s)	Laws violated (if applicable)
2012	GlaxoSmithKline[1][6]	$3 billion ($1B criminal, $2B civil)	Criminal: Off-label promotion, failure to disclose safety data. Civil: paying kickbacks to physicians, making false and misleading statements concerning the safety of Avandia, reporting false best prices and underpaying rebates owed under the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program	Avandia (not providing safety data), Wellbutrin, Paxil (promotion of paediatric use), Advair, Lamictal, Zofran, Imitrex, Lotronex, Flovent, Valtrex	False Claims Act, FDCA
2009	Pfizer[2]	$2.3 billion	Off-label promotion, kickbacks	Bextra, Geodon, Zyvox, Lyrica	False Claims Act, FDCA
2013	Johnson & Johnson[7]	$2.2 billion	Off-label promotion, kickbacks	Risperdal, Invega, Nesiritide	False Claims Act, FDCA
2012	Abbott Laboratories[8]	$1.5 billion	Off-label promotion	Depakote	False Claims Act, FDCA
2009	Eli Lilly[9]	$1.4 billion	Off-label promotion	Zyprexa	False Claims Act, FDCA
2001	TAP Pharmaceutical Products[10]	$875 million	Medicare fraud, kickbacks	Lupron	False Claims Act, Prescription Drug Marketing Act
2012	Amgen[11]	$762 million	Off-label promotion, kickbacks	Aranesp	False Claims Act, FDCA
2010	GlaxoSmithKline[12]	$750 million	Poor manufacturing practices	Kytril, Bactroban, Paxil CR, Avandamet	False Claims Act, FDCA
2005	Serono[13]	$704 million	Off-label promotion, kickbacks, monopolistic practices	Serostim	False Claims Act
2008	Merck[14]	$650 million	Medicare fraud, kickbacks	Zocor, Vioxx, Pepsid	False Claims Act, Medicaid Rebate Statute
2007	Purdue Pharma[15]	$601 million	Off-label promotion	Oxycontin	False Claims Act
2010	Allergan[16]	$600 million	Off-label promotion	Botox	False Claims Act, FDCA
2010	AstraZeneca[17]	$520 million	Off-label promotion, kickbacks	Seroquel	False Claims Act
2007	Bristol-Myers Squibb[18]	$515 million	Off-label promotion, kickbacks, Medicare fraud	Abilify, Serzone	False Claims Act, FDCA
2002	Schering-Plough[19]	$500 million	Poor manufacturing practices	Claritin	FDA Current Good Manufacturing Practices
2006	Mylan[20]	$465 million	Misclassification under the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program	EpiPen (epinephrine)	False Claims Act
2006	Schering-Plough[21]	$435 million	Off-label promotion, kickbacks, Medicare fraud	Temodar, Intron A, K-Dur, Claritin RediTabs	False Claims Act, FDCA
2004[22]	Pfizer	$430 million	Off-label promotion	Neurontin	False Claims Act, FDCA
2008	Cephalon[23]	$425 million	Off-label promotion[23]	Actiq, Gabitril, Provigil	False Claims Act, FDCA
2010	Novartis[24]	$423 million	Off-label promotion, kickbacks	Trileptal	False Claims Act, FDCA
2003	AstraZeneca[25]	$355 million	Medicare fraud	Zoladex	Prescription Drug Marketing Act
2004	Schering-Plough[26]	$345 million	Medicare fraud, kickbacks	Claritin	False Claims Act, Anti-Kickback Statute

~S~

 

[frigidweirdo]

Here's some info to cast doubt then>

List of largest pharmaceutical settlements - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The following is a list of the 20 largest settlements reached between the United States Department of Justice and pharmaceutical companies from 2001 to 2012, ordered by the size of the total settlement. The settlement amount includes both the civil (False Claims Act) settlement and criminal fine. Glaxo's $3 billion settlement included the largest civil False Claims Act settlement on record,[1] and Pfizer’s $2.3 billion ($3.5 billion in 2022) settlement including a record-breaking $1.3 billion criminal fine.[2] Legal claims against the pharmaceutical industry have varied widely over the past two decades, including Medicare and Medicaid fraud, off-label promotion, and inadequate manufacturing practices.[3][4] With respect to off-label promotion, specifically, a federal court recognized off-label promotion as a violation of the False Claims Act for the first time in Franklin v. Parke-Davis, leading to a $430 million settlement.[5]

Year	Company	Settlement	Violation(s)	Product(s)	Laws violated (if applicable)
2012	GlaxoSmithKline[1][6]	$3 billion ($1B criminal, $2B civil)	Criminal: Off-label promotion, failure to disclose safety data. Civil: paying kickbacks to physicians, making false and misleading statements concerning the safety of Avandia, reporting false best prices and underpaying rebates owed under the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program	Avandia (not providing safety data), Wellbutrin, Paxil (promotion of paediatric use), Advair, Lamictal, Zofran, Imitrex, Lotronex, Flovent, Valtrex	False Claims Act, FDCA
2009	Pfizer[2]	$2.3 billion	Off-label promotion, kickbacks	Bextra, Geodon, Zyvox, Lyrica	False Claims Act, FDCA
2013	Johnson & Johnson[7]	$2.2 billion	Off-label promotion, kickbacks	Risperdal, Invega, Nesiritide	False Claims Act, FDCA
2012	Abbott Laboratories[8]	$1.5 billion	Off-label promotion	Depakote	False Claims Act, FDCA
2009	Eli Lilly[9]	$1.4 billion	Off-label promotion	Zyprexa	False Claims Act, FDCA
2001	TAP Pharmaceutical Products[10]	$875 million	Medicare fraud, kickbacks	Lupron	False Claims Act, Prescription Drug Marketing Act
2012	Amgen[11]	$762 million	Off-label promotion, kickbacks	Aranesp	False Claims Act, FDCA
2010	GlaxoSmithKline[12]	$750 million	Poor manufacturing practices	Kytril, Bactroban, Paxil CR, Avandamet	False Claims Act, FDCA
2005	Serono[13]	$704 million	Off-label promotion, kickbacks, monopolistic practices	Serostim	False Claims Act
2008	Merck[14]	$650 million	Medicare fraud, kickbacks	Zocor, Vioxx, Pepsid	False Claims Act, Medicaid Rebate Statute
2007	Purdue Pharma[15]	$601 million	Off-label promotion	Oxycontin	False Claims Act
2010	Allergan[16]	$600 million	Off-label promotion	Botox	False Claims Act, FDCA
2010	AstraZeneca[17]	$520 million	Off-label promotion, kickbacks	Seroquel	False Claims Act
2007	Bristol-Myers Squibb[18]	$515 million	Off-label promotion, kickbacks, Medicare fraud	Abilify, Serzone	False Claims Act, FDCA
2002	Schering-Plough[19]	$500 million	Poor manufacturing practices	Claritin	FDA Current Good Manufacturing Practices
2006	Mylan[20]	$465 million	Misclassification under the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program	EpiPen (epinephrine)	False Claims Act
2006	Schering-Plough[21]	$435 million	Off-label promotion, kickbacks, Medicare fraud	Temodar, Intron A, K-Dur, Claritin RediTabs	False Claims Act, FDCA
2004[22]	Pfizer	$430 million	Off-label promotion	Neurontin	False Claims Act, FDCA
2008	Cephalon[23]	$425 million	Off-label promotion[23]	Actiq, Gabitril, Provigil	False Claims Act, FDCA
2010	Novartis[24]	$423 million	Off-label promotion, kickbacks	Trileptal	False Claims Act, FDCA
2003	AstraZeneca[25]	$355 million	Medicare fraud	Zoladex	Prescription Drug Marketing Act
2004	Schering-Plough[26]	$345 million	Medicare fraud, kickbacks	Claritin	False Claims Act, Anti-Kickback Statute

~S~

Okay, and?

We know the pharma companies get up to all kinds of things to cover up problems.

That doesn't stop the fact that the coronavirus was killing people left right and center and the vaccines helped to lower the number of deaths, even if there were problems with those vaccines.

 

[sparky]

even if there were problems with those vaccines.

No longer an 'IF'.....

that should be evident to even the most aloof now Frigid one

that some keep hammering science, science, science , while it's orgins hail from this rock's biggest criminals is the epitome of cognitive dissonance....

~S~

 

[petro]

It didn't take any political person for me to take the position of never getting an experimental vaccine.
I was convinced the very minute that the manufacturers were protected from liability that I wasn't touching the crap. Later, the fact that the vaxx didn't live up to it's promises only reinforced my decision.


When I finally tested positive for Covid it amounted to a minor 24 hour cold.
I have taken many other PROVEN vaccines, so that anti vaxxer line is bullshit.

Seems many folks have given up on it since only 7% of the population have bothered with the latest booster.

This is a decision between a doctor and their patients. Not from a political figure, media talking head or celebrity. They can all stay the **** out of my personal health decisions.

 

[sparky]

They can all stay the **** out of my personal health decisions.

~S~

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

MTG is a whack job and a liar and stupid, yes.

And those who believe her share some or all of those attributeds.

 

[HeyNorm]

Norm, you are just making things up.

Video on post 32 is clear and compelling evidence Adolph.

 

[frigidweirdo]

No longer an 'IF'.....

that should be evident to even the most aloof now Frigid one

that some keep hammering science, science, science , while it's orgins hail from this rock's biggest criminals is the epitome of cognitive dissonance....

~S~

The issue here is that there's a virus that killed loads of people. Also the other issue is, speak in a sensible manner, act professional, don't act like an idiot, and then maybe people will take you more seriously.

 

[sparky]

The issue here is that there's a virus that killed loads of people. Also the other issue is, speak in a sensible manner, act professional, don't act like an idiot, and then maybe people will take you more seriously.

Anyone who opines against the national narrative is not taken seriously frigid one, they are simply dismissed as unprofessional idiots , and the sheepeople follow suit

This is fascism 101, believing those that govern you are beyond reproach

~S~

 

[skye]

vax deniers live on a diet of bullshit

The poison jab kills.