Mankeeping

[Marener]

There isn't any evidence that Andrew Tate is particularly popular, and Andrew Tate doesn't represent "traditional masculinity". He's just a thug and a loser, like a garden-variety gangster rapper.

“Traditional masculinity” doesn’t have much meaning anymore. It means whatever they say it means.

1/3rd of young men have a favorable opinion of him.

One in three young males have a positive view of Andrew Tate – Savanta US

Using Savanta’s Youth Omnibus, a monthly tracker of 16-25 year olds, we asked Gen Z their opinions of Andrew Tate and his views.

savanta.com

 

[Midnight FM]

“Traditional masculinity” doesn’t have much meaning anymore. It means whatever they say it means.

It's debatable whether or not it ever had any meaning, but if I wanted to evoke a notion of "traditional masculinity", it might be someone like Teddy Roosevelt. It wouldn't be a thug.

1/3rd of young men have a favorable opinion of him.

One in three young males have a positive view of Andrew Tate – Savanta US

Using Savanta’s Youth Omnibus, a monthly tracker of 16-25 year olds, we asked Gen Z their opinions of Andrew Tate and his views.

savanta.com

That's not a lot. And I'm curious what percentage of Americans were surveyed to begin with.

 

[Correll]

it's all about the modern left's ignorance of reality.

correct. And when we try to make policy or action based on that, it hurts people.

 

[Midnight FM]

Bullshit. For some women that is her career goal.

Perhaps for some, but the reality is that merely "producing offspring" doesn't require much in the way of ambition. And, historically, women as whole don't become stay-at-home mothers because it's a "career goal", but merely because it's biologically expedient to do so.

Society would be better if women would aspire to more than a biological imperative. As is the case with men.

 

[Marener]

It's debatable whether or not it ever had any meaning, but if I wanted to evoke a notion of "traditional masculinity", it might be someone like Teddy Roosevelt. It wouldn't be a thug.


That's not a lot. And I'm curious what percentage of Americans were surveyed to begin with.

1/3rd of people is a lot. You're just saying shit.

There's a lot of people that might consider dominating women to be a part of traditional masculinity.

There's also a lot of people that don't think reading books are part of traditional masculinity. Being educated, especially in liberal arts, has been denigrated for years by conservatism.

I think there is a huge problem with the deemphasis on community, in society at large but in particular with men. Men are told that they shouldn't seek help and if they need it, that they're weak.

 

[braalian]

Gays do not have biological sex. They just "diddle".

Ok

Still don’t get how they play a role in straight high school kids waiting longer to have sex….

 

[Correll]

The pushback is that it's a bad solution and will seriously reduce economic growth.

So, you admit that you oppose us on raising wages because it will hurt macro "economic growth.


So... Thanks. That was my point.

Not in my experience. Feminists tell women they should have a CHOICE. The people trying to tell them what they should be doing is conservatism. See JD Vance whining about cat ladies.

Nope. Feminism demeans stay at home moms, and pushing the ideal of women having careers. Vance was correct that "Cat ladies" are making a mistake and will regret their choices.

I have. Do you know how popular Andrew Tate is?

Young men of COURSE are rejecting the feminst narrative that they are bad or toxic. That is a much larger...force that Andrew Tate.

It is amazing to me that any men, don't reject the nonsense of hte anti-male left.

 

[Correll]

If a woman would love that, she's not very ambitious.

Even an animal can produce offspring. It doesn't take much effort, really.

Wow. Thanks for demonstrating the contempt you have for stay at home moms, or really any moms.


Kind of really made my point for me. Thanks.

 

[Midnight FM]

Wow. Thanks for demonstrating the contempt you have for stay at home moms, or really any moms.


Kind of really made my point for me. Thanks.

I do have contempt for people like this, yes:

 

[Marener]

Nope. Feminism demeans stay at home moms, and pushing the ideal of women having careers. Vance was correct that "Cat ladies" are making a mistake and will regret their choices.

No, feminism doesn’t demand stay at home moms. It demeans people that think women should aspire to be stay at home moms.

The people demeaning women for their choices are you and Vance. Feminism opposes people like you that claim to know what a woman should want.

Young men of COURSE are rejecting the feminst narrative that they are bad or toxic. That is a much larger...force that Andrew Tate.

It is amazing to me that any men, don't reject the nonsense of hte anti-male left.

The fact that Andrew Tate is so popular indicates there are a lot of bad and toxic men out there. There’s a lot of bad and toxic women out there too.

Does that offend you?

 

[Marener]

There’s a fascinating distinction to be made between how masculinity is viewed on the right and left.

On the right, Obama was considered effete but Trump is considered masculine.

Don’t think toxic masculinity exists? Explain how Trump is considered so masculine. The dude is the epitome of toxicity.

 

[Midnight FM]

Nope. Feminism demeans stay at home moms, and pushing the ideal of women having careers.

Most women in the developed world have a career of some sort, and that's a good thing, and, historically, women who were born into wealthy and well-educated families had the opportunity for education and successful careers.

And if feminism simply illustrates the reality that having life ambitions is superior to merely producing offspring, or attacks outdated cultural phenomena that encourage women to reduce themselves to breeding stock, that's also a good thing.

Vance was correct that "Cat ladies" are making a mistake and will regret their choices.

I have no idea who "Vance is". And I'm curious what the actual demographics of the "cat ladies" you speak of are. We have far more of an epidemic of excessive breeding than we do of people not breeding enough.

Young men of COURSE are rejecting the feminst narrative that they are bad or toxic.

I'm not aware of a feminist narrative that men are "bad or toxic". You may find some oddball on the internet or elsewhere saying that, but the term "toxic masculinity" does not refer to "men" being toxic, it refers to behaviors that are deemed toxic, such as assuming that a man can't have any interest in a woman other than sex.

The best you could argue is that some aspects of feminism are tribalistic and pit women and men against each other, but, naturally, this would not be the entirety of what can be described as "feminism".

That is a much larger...force that Andrew Tate.

It is amazing to me that any men, don't reject the nonsense of hte anti-male left.

You haven't substantiated who this alleged "anti-male left" consists of. Seems like a strawman to me.

 

[Midnight FM]

There’s a fascinating distinction to be made between how masculinity is viewed on the right and left.

On the right, Obama was considered effete but Trump is considered masculine.

Don’t think toxic masculinity exists? Explain how Trump is considered so masculine. The dude is the epitome of toxicity.

I believe that there are qualities which can be described as "masculine" and "feminine", but whether or not a person is considered "masculine" or "feminine" is very subjective and often very superficial.

 

[Oddball]

 

[Midnight FM]

There's no evidence that "men aren't paying attention" to women. This is just a sensationalist, clickbait video.

 

[Marener]

I believe that there are qualities which can be described as "masculine" and "feminine", but whether or not a person is considered "masculine" or "feminine" is very subjective and often very superficial.

I think it’s pretty undeniable that Trump is considered masculine amongst the right.

Deep down, they admire a guy who does whatever he wants without consequences.

That includes ******* whoever he wants.

 

[jknowgood]

The lefts population control targets blacks with high murder and abortion rates. Feminism evolved into a sick ideology thats just hate for men.

Well that was the founder of plan parenthoods view. Get rid of black people.

 

[80zephyr]

Perhaps for some, but the reality is that merely "producing offspring" doesn't require much in the way of ambition. And, historically, women as whole don't become stay-at-home mothers because it's a "career goal", but merely because it's biologically expedient to do so.

Society would be better if women would aspire to more than a biological imperative. As is the case with men.

Wow. We disagree.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

“Traditional masculinity” doesn’t have much meaning anymore. It means whatever they say it means.

1/3rd of young men have a favorable opinion of him.

One in three young males have a positive view of Andrew Tate – Savanta US

Using Savanta’s Youth Omnibus, a monthly tracker of 16-25 year olds, we asked Gen Z their opinions of Andrew Tate and his views.

savanta.com

That was in June of 2023, I doubt he has that following now. He has fallen greatly since then.
Edit - I looked it up - his favorability has fallen to 19%.

 

[Marener]

That was in June of 2023, I doubt he has that following now. He has fallen greatly since then.
Edit - I looked it up - his favorability has fallen to 19%.

19% amongst everyone? Or just young men. I bet you're going off this website:

Andrew Tate popularity & fame | YouGov

Andrew Tate is the 142nd most popular influencer. Explore the latest YouGov polling, survey results and articles about Andrew Tate.

today.yougov.com

The right sure does think Trump is the portrayal of masculinity they like. The guy who cheats on his wife anytime he feels like it. Pete Hegseth is the same. These are the role models for masculinity amongst the right.