Mandate could force gas stations out of business

[AllieBaba]

Wow, Obama's strategies are already pulling us up economically.

ARCADIA - Dozens of gas stations around California are choosing to shut down rather than comply with a state mandate that would require owners to purchase new equipment to reduce vapor emissions at the pump.
The requirement, known as Phase II in the state's Enhanced Vapor Recovery Program, is set to go into effect in April. It requires gas station owners to individually purchase tens of thousands of dollars of equipment designed to prevent harmful vapors from escaping into the air when gasoline is pumped.
But smaller retailers say that the requirement puts an unfair burden on businesses that don't sell enough gasoline to offset the extra cost - and that don't contribute much to the problem in the first place....


As of the end of December 2008, the South Coast Air Quality Management District had heard back from 3,109 of its 4,500 sites about EVR Phase II.

Seventy-six - or 2.4 percent - indicated they will be shutting down on April 1, 2009 rather than upgrade their sites, said Dimitri Stanich, public information officer for the California Air Resources Board. "

Mandate could force gas stations out of business - Pasadena Star-News

 

[Care4all]

isn't it the state of California's policy? Are you saying that you think this is a Federal Issue? Well, it never should have been.....not if we are a Republic?

If it was a federal policy then Obama would just borrow more money as stimulus to give to these 70 gas pump owners to put in the new equipment!!!

 

[PeterS]

Wow, Obama's strategies are already pulling us up economically.

ARCADIA - Dozens of gas stations around California are choosing to shut down rather than comply with a state mandate that would require owners to purchase new equipment to reduce vapor emissions at the pump.
The requirement, known as Phase II in the state's Enhanced Vapor Recovery Program, is set to go into effect in April. It requires gas station owners to individually purchase tens of thousands of dollars of equipment designed to prevent harmful vapors from escaping into the air when gasoline is pumped.
But smaller retailers say that the requirement puts an unfair burden on businesses that don't sell enough gasoline to offset the extra cost - and that don't contribute much to the problem in the first place....


As of the end of December 2008, the South Coast Air Quality Management District had heard back from 3,109 of its 4,500 sites about EVR Phase II.

Seventy-six - or 2.4 percent - indicated they will be shutting down on April 1, 2009 rather than upgrade their sites, said Dimitri Stanich, public information officer for the California Air Resources Board. "

Mandate could force gas stations out of business - Pasadena Star-News

I thought Obama was president of the United States not California? Explain how a California State mandate is an Obama strategy. Are he and Arnold stratigerizing together?

 

[AllieBaba]

You fucking idiots.

"The Obama administration's signing of a waiver allowing California to regulate GHG emissions from cars could stoke green-tech innovation."
Obama v. Bush: Climate Change Reversals and a National Energy Council (Video Roundup) : TreeHugger

Before the election, Obama told others that he favors declaring that carbon dioxide emissions are endangering human welfare, following an EPA task force recommendation last December that Bush and his aides shunned in order to protect the utility and auto industries.

"One intended action is to quickly reverse the Bush administration's decision to deny California the authority to set limits on automobile greenhouse gas emissions. Other related reforms embraced by Obama's transition advisers aim at increasing the effectiveness of decision-making on climate issues, for instance by rapidly creating a National Energy Council to coordinate all policymaking related to global climate change."
George Spyros: Obama v. Bush: Climate Change Executive Order Reversals, Could Establish National Energy Council (Video Roundup)

 

[Care4all]

bush usurped his power over the State, obama reversed this illegal and unconstitutional stance of bush, imo.....and no, i'm not an idiot!

 

[editec]

This problem looks like a perfect example of where we should be investing money to make this nation greener.

Why not allow the government to issue loans to these smaller retailers such that they CAN AFFORD to install these new pumps?

It will create demand for the pumps which help those companies, plus it will allow those small retailers to stay in business thus keeping the retail gas business vibrant and less monopolistic than it will be if they go OOB

 

[Avatar4321]

bush usurped his power over the State, obama reversed this illegal and unconstitutional stance of bush, imo.....and no, i'm not an idiot!

Supremecy clause and the commerce clause give the federal government authority over commerce in America. The state's attempts to regulate commerce under the guise of "green" nonsense would actually be the usurpation here.

States have their authority, the Feds have their own. And the Federal government trumps when dealing with interstate commerce.

 

[Avatar4321]

This problem looks like a perfect example of where we should be investing money to make this nation greener.

Why not allow the government to issue loans to these smaller retailers such that they CAN AFFORD to install these new pumps?

It will create demand for the pumps which help those companies, plus it will allow those small retailers to stay in business thus keeping the retail gas business vibrant and less monopolistic than it will be if they go OOB

Actually, i find that this is a perfect example of how the "green" movement is nothing but an attempt for socialists to bring the capitalist system to its kness through overregulation.

 

[rayboyusmc]

Actually, i find that this is a perfect example of how the "green" movement is nothing but an attempt for socialists to bring the capitalist system to its kness through overregulation.

More horse shit from the right. The green movement is a socialist plot.

2.4% out of a 100%?

 

[Amanda]

Actually, i find that this is a perfect example of how the "green" movement is nothing but an attempt for socialists to bring the capitalist system to its kness through overregulation.

This is how it seems to me a lot too. And it always seems to start in Cali... what's up with that?

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

bush usurped his power over the State, obama reversed this illegal and unconstitutional stance of bush, imo.....and no, i'm not an idiot!

Bush usurped his own power? Huh... and from THAT position you feel that this somehow constitutes Bush acting in violation of his Power?

ROFLMNAO... Oh GOD that's precious...

 

[Avatar4321]

Actually, i find that this is a perfect example of how the "green" movement is nothing but an attempt for socialists to bring the capitalist system to its kness through overregulation.

More horse shit from the right. The green movement is a socialist plot.

2.4% out of a 100%?

Then it's just a magical coincidence that every solution to "save the environment" just happens to be the same exact failed socialist policy of decades before? Right...

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Actually, i find that this is a perfect example of how the "green" movement is nothing but an attempt for socialists to bring the capitalist system to its kness through overregulation.

More horse shit from the right. The green movement is a socialist plot.

2.4% out of a 100%?

ROFL

Define your terms Pogue... meaning what SPECIFICALLY do the percentages represent, in your feelings?

The fact is that the Communist movement has morphed into the Green movement.

Now that's incontestable, BUT I hereby directly and UNABIGUOUSLY CHELLENGE YOU TO ADVANCE A GREEN POLICY WHICH DOES NOT SET THE FALSE "RIGHT OF THE COLLECTIVE" over the inalienable right of the INDIVIDUAL...

(The Pogue will now NOT post any cogent response to that challenge and for obvious reasons.)

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Actually, i find that this is a perfect example of how the "green" movement is nothing but an attempt for socialists to bring the capitalist system to its kness through overregulation.

This is how it seems to me a lot too. And it always seems to start in Cali... what's up with that?

California is a hot-bed of left-think... what's more it's government is pretty close to a Socialist Democracy, where much of state law is set to a public ballot, which gives the highly organized ideological left a stark advantage as they manipulate the ballot and the vote responding to that ballot... what's more where their opposition is successful in defeating leftist initiatives, the California Judiciary along with the US Federal Appeals court (the 9th Circuit) is infamous for their unapologetic reversals of those defeats.

Add to that the volume of unbridled idiocy of a majority of the California population and it's rife for leftist subversion.

 

[Care4all]

bush usurped his power over the State, obama reversed this illegal and unconstitutional stance of bush, imo.....and no, i'm not an idiot!

Bush usurped his own power? Huh... and from THAT position you feel that this somehow constitutes Bush acting in violation of his Power?

ROFLMNAO... Oh GOD that's precious...

it was unconstitutional smarty pants...

laugh all you want, but bush broke the constitution by stopping the state of california from doing this in the first place....it was not within federal reach to stop california....and i am not saying i agree with california's decision on this, but it was their decision to make, NOT president bush's thru a slimey executive order.

but i realize many here are conveniently hypocrites when it comes to the big federal government and what powers they really have and don't have....!!!!!!

 

[Avatar4321]

bush usurped his power over the State, obama reversed this illegal and unconstitutional stance of bush, imo.....and no, i'm not an idiot!

Bush usurped his own power? Huh... and from THAT position you feel that this somehow constitutes Bush acting in violation of his Power?

ROFLMNAO... Oh GOD that's precious...

it was unconstitutional smarty pants...

laugh all you want, but bush broke the constitution by stopping the state of california from doing this in the first place....it was not within federal reach to stop california....and i am not saying i agree with california's decision on this, but it was their decision to make, NOT president bush's thru a slimey executive order.

but i realize many here are conveniently hypocrites when it comes to the big federal government and what powers they really have and don't have....!!!!!!

Once again, The interstate commerce clause and the supremacy clause.

 

[Care4all]

bush usurped his power over the State, obama reversed this illegal and unconstitutional stance of bush, imo.....and no, i'm not an idiot!

Supremecy clause and the commerce clause give the federal government authority over commerce in America. The state's attempts to regulate commerce under the guise of "green" nonsense would actually be the usurpation here.

States have their authority, the Feds have their own. And the Federal government trumps when dealing with interstate commerce.

Really? Hmmmmmmm, wonder why the California Supreme court or our own supreme court never ruled such with all of the other "green" programs in the state of california that involves interstate commerce, as you say? Did our commerce dept just not CARE what california did before this issue?

Care