Man blocks black delivery driver in Oklahoma neighborhood

[Ame®icano]

Are you unaware of the number of people on this message board alone who have readily admitted and stated unequivocally that if they see a black person in their neighborhood they consider them a criminal suspect? As long as there is a significant portion of the U.S. population who believes as they do and acts on it then we will continue to have these incidents.

There are numerous communities in America that are virtually or literally 100% Honky. Its going to pique people's interest when someone of non-honky ethnicity drops in.

I'm sure that the neighbors would be peaking out their windows if I walked down the streets of Watts or Bed Stuy or numerous other Ghettos that the residents don't know me, too.

I'm pretty sure when white walks into ghetto it doesn't get any attention from anybody.

And if he/she get robbed, raped, or killed, it has nothing to do with race.

 

[Ame®icano]

So why wasnt BLM arrested all those times they blocked HUNDREDS of people?

I have often wondered that too.

If they are preventing me from going about my business, they are engaging in unlawful detention.

I was wondering why nobody just run over them. It would at least give them real reason to be "offended".

 

[Ame®icano]

Per capita are not the facts.

Of course they are...

 

[Ame®icano]

I attended a BLM rally here in Seattle back in 2015 I think it was. We had police escorts, they even threw blocks for us so that we could proceed through the intersections without interruption from vehicle traffic.

It was the first time I've ever marched for a cause and I found it to be a positive experience. I marched specifically because of what was done to Sandra Bland thinking that could have easily have happened to me since I have driven across Texas on more than a few occassions while in college, the last time alone.

But to answer your question - it was a lawful assembly with permission of the City of Seattle which is why we had police protection.

Out of control police kill people of all races. I think the phrase "all lives matter" was co-opted by a racist group but that group aside, I'll march when it's about stopping all unjustified shooting by the police or government.

Funny reasoning you got there, saying "all lives matter" is racist, but saying "black lives matter" is not.

Would it offend you if I say "Asian lives matter"? How about, "it's OK to be white"?

 

[Ame®icano]

If blocking a car was inherently illegal, BLM would have gone to jail for it a bunch of times. You can prattle on all you want, but nothing will change that fact.

Blocking the public road without permission is illegal. Those BLM fucks are not in jail because nobody wanted to be labeled as "racist" for doing so.

 

[Ame®icano]

We constantly protest. We just dont burn shit down when we do it.

Thats a lie.

When was the last time conservative protesters were burning shit down and rioting?

Give us few examples, please.

 

[otto105]

Are you unaware of the number of people on this message board alone who have readily admitted and stated unequivocally that if they see a black person in their neighborhood they consider them a criminal suspect? As long as there is a significant portion of the U.S. population who believes as they do and acts on it then we will continue to have these incidents.

There are numerous communities in America that are virtually or literally 100% Honky. Its going to pique people's interest when someone of non-honky ethnicity drops in.

I'm sure that the neighbors would be peaking out their windows if I walked down the streets of Watts or Bed Stuy or numerous other Ghettos that the residents don't know me, too.

I'm pretty sure when white walks into ghetto it doesn't get any attention from anybody.

And if he/she get robbed, raped, or killed, it has nothing to do with race.

Whose white?

And why are these posts so racist?

 

[Ame®icano]

In normal times, a Type I error is ho hum, and doesn't even make the local news, and that's how it still is for all Type I errors EXCEPT when the person making the error is white and the subject of the error is black. Then it is national news.

It's not ho hum when a man is held against his will, regardless of why. But when racism is the reason the person is held, that makes it national news. Racists need to be publicly shamed and shunned.

Only complete idiots can't find a better reason to like a person or dislike a person, one that goes any deeper than their skin color.

 

[otto105]

In normal times, a Type I error is ho hum, and doesn't even make the local news, and that's how it still is for all Type I errors EXCEPT when the person making the error is white and the subject of the error is black. Then it is national news.

It's not ho hum when a man is held against his will, regardless of why. But when racism is the reason the person is held, that makes it national news. Racists need to be publicly shamed and shunned.

Only complete idiots can't find a better reason to like a person or dislike a person, one that goes any deeper than their skin color.

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Well, unless their jogging, driving, working, walking or any other thing scared cracker Karen or Ken worry about.

 

[Ame®icano]

If blocking a car was inherently illegal, BLM would have gone to jail for it a bunch of times. You can prattle on all you want, but nothing will change that fact.

I don't know if it is or is not illegal. All I care is that there's equal justice under the law (the thing that true liberals and true conservatives both care about) - and since no one is generally arrested for obstructing traffic during a protest, I'd say that's how we want it. If they arrest BLM then they must arrest the Virginia gun owners for obstructing traffic.

You do realize that its leftwingers who do 99% of all the traffic blocking, right?

I do realize that the left does do most.. 80%? 90%, 99%? Who knows.. But what that ratio proves is that we conservatives aren't doing enough protesting. We need to get out more.

We constantly protest. We just dont burn shit down when we do it.

Thats a lie.

No, that is fact. Only you left wingers burn shit down and break windows when you protest.

He doesn't like that fact, so it's not true.

 

[otto105]

We constantly protest. We just dont burn shit down when we do it.

Thats a lie.

When was the last time conservative protesters were burning shit down and rioting?

Give us few examples, please.

Charlottesville

 

[IM2]

I attended a BLM rally here in Seattle back in 2015 I think it was. We had police escorts, they even threw blocks for us so that we could proceed through the intersections without interruption from vehicle traffic.

It was the first time I've ever marched for a cause and I found it to be a positive experience. I marched specifically because of what was done to Sandra Bland thinking that could have easily have happened to me since I have driven across Texas on more than a few occassions while in college, the last time alone.

But to answer your question - it was a lawful assembly with permission of the City of Seattle which is why we had police protection.

Out of control police kill people of all races. I think the phrase "all lives matter" was co-opted by a racist group but that group aside, I'll march when it's about stopping all unjustified shooting by the police or government.

Funny reasoning you got there, saying "all lives matter" is racist, but saying "black lives matter" is not.

Would it offend you if I say "Asian lives matter"? How about, "it's OK to be white"?

All lives matter is used by racists to try co opting black lives matter. The question here us when have white lives never mattered? Then understand that the name was about pointing out something that was specifically happening to unarmed blacks at the hands of police. Stop using asians as a racial wedge. That's another racist tactic. When has it not been OK to be white in America?

 

[IM2]

If blocking a car was inherently illegal, BLM would have gone to jail for it a bunch of times. You can prattle on all you want, but nothing will change that fact.

I don't know if it is or is not illegal. All I care is that there's equal justice under the law (the thing that true liberals and true conservatives both care about) - and since no one is generally arrested for obstructing traffic during a protest, I'd say that's how we want it. If they arrest BLM then they must arrest the Virginia gun owners for obstructing traffic.

You do realize that its leftwingers who do 99% of all the traffic blocking, right?

I do realize that the left does do most.. 80%? 90%, 99%? Who knows.. But what that ratio proves is that we conservatives aren't doing enough protesting. We need to get out more.

We constantly protest. We just dont burn shit down when we do it.

Thats a lie.

No, that is fact. Only you left wingers burn shit down and break windows when you protest.

He doesn't like that fact, so it's not true.

Since that is not a fact...

 

[SaxxyBlues]

 

[IM2]

We constantly protest. We just dont burn shit down when we do it.

Thats a lie.

When was the last time conservative protesters were burning shit down and rioting?

Give us few examples, please.

Charlottesville

I was going to say that. Then lets talk about bombings by conservatives and mass shootings. Conservatives get take over government property and have armed stand offs with police generally without dying.

 

[IM2]

If blocking a car was inherently illegal, BLM would have gone to jail for it a bunch of times. You can prattle on all you want, but nothing will change that fact.

Blocking the public road without permission is illegal. Those BLM fucks are not in jail because nobody wanted to be labeled as "racist" for doing so.

Not wantiing to be called racists never stopped whites before. That's why black lives mattter exists.

 

[WillowTree]

Another one to file under "working while black"

"My intention was never to go viral," Travis Miller said. "My intention was to cover myself in case he called my employer and said I did something other than what I did."

May 14, 2020, 1:33 PM PDT / Updated May 15, 2020, 11:14 AM PDT
By Janelle Griffith and Doha Madani

A black delivery driver was brought to tears while recording himself and a black co-worker as they were blocked from leaving a gated Oklahoma City neighborhood for nearly an hour by a white resident who demanded to know why they were there.
Travis Miller, who delivers home appliances and furniture, captured the incident Monday in a Facebook Live video that has gone viral. The 37-minute video had nearly 300,000 views by Thursday evening and had been shared more than 10,000 times.

Miller, like many of those who commented on the video, believe the encounter was racially motivated.

Miller, 42, told NBC News that his customer in Edmond gave him the code to get through the neighborhood's gate. After completing the delivery and as they were trying to exit, a man who identified himself as David Stewart and a board member of the homeowners' association can be seen on the video questioning Miller and his co-worker about why they were on his street.
A man by that name could not be reached for comment Thursday.

Miller said in the video that he was trying to make a U-turn and that as he turned around, the man was blocking him in with a white Subaru.

"If I go around him, I'm going to have to drive on somebody's property and I don't want to make a bad situation worse," Miller said in the video.

Miller repeatedly asked the man to move the car.

"I'm not moving," the man said. "All you have to do is tell me where you're going."

Miller refused, saying he did not have to tell the man anything.

Miller said Thursday that he kept his seat belt on, remained in the truck and recorded the encounter to protect himself and his colleague.

"My intention was never to go viral," Miller said in a phone interview Thursday. "My intention was to cover myself in case he called my employer and said I did something other than what I did."

He said he also did not want the situation to escalate, because he feared that if police had responded, he would have been perceived as the aggressor.

About 30 minutes into the encounter, a second white man confronted Miller.

"All we want to know is why you're in here and who gave you the gate code," the second man said. "That's all we need to know."

After Miller refused to reveal his client's personal information, the man who identified himself as Stewart said he was calling police.

At one point in the video, Miller can be seen with tears streaming down his face. He wipes his tears away with a blue bandanna before he, too, calls police.

The man who initially approached Miller can be seen in the video calling police to withdraw a report after he got in touch with Miller's customer.

Miller said he also called Edmond police to make sure the man had withdrawn his report.

Miller said his customer defused the situation by telling the two men to move.

"He said he was sorry it happened," Miller said. "He said those guys are overprotective of the neighborhood."

Capt. Larry Withrow of the Oklahoma City Police Department said Friday that officers did not go to the scene because the original caller who reported that "there was a trespasser in the subdivision" at 4:21 p.m. called back about 30 minutes later and cancelled the report. Withrow said a third call was placed at about 4:55 p.m. by a man who said he wanted to know if it was OK for him to leave the property.

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Man blocks black delivery driver in an Oklahoma neighborhood

Man blocks black delivery driver in an Oklahoma neighborhood

All the stupid resident had to do was call the front gate. This is why I would never buy a home in a HOA.

 

[Ame®icano]

Deliveries at gated HOAs are scheduled...the deliveries trucks are buzzed in or escorted. The mailman, the fedex guy and UPS might get codes... regulars. Not just anyone. That Is the purpose of having codes.

My Mom lives in a gated community and residents there get deliveries all throughout the day; nothing is scheduled...

Let me guess, every pizza delivery guy, Uber Eats and ice cream truck driver have a code to enter?

No, they either check in at the security gate if it's during the day, or they use the call box and the residents enter a code on their phone to open the gate...

Cool.

This delivery guy claimed he had a code. HOA dude wanted to know who gave him a code. What's problematic about it?

 

[otto105]

We constantly protest. We just dont burn shit down when we do it.

Thats a lie.

When was the last time conservative protesters were burning shit down and rioting?

Give us few examples, please.

Charlottesville

I was going to say that. Then lets talk about bombings by conservatives and mass shootings. Conservatives get take over government property and have armed stand offs with police generally without dying.

Yes, the Bundy clans.

 

[Ame®icano]

BULLSHIT! LIPSTICK!

Grrrr. Did You shake your fist add you posted that?

So...why didn't he call the police? I had a guy who would move blocking me from making a turn...refused to back up...and I couldn't back up. I have it on video. I called the cops. In 15 minutes they showed up and made him back up. No big deal. The guy was a dick but I wasn't going to just sit there and I couldn't force him to move. Same deal here. So why didn't he call the police?

Intimidated? Doesn't trust cops?
I don't know. He should have!
Especially since he was blocked.

Why did the dimwit use his private car to block him?

It's a private street. Just like I can block you in my driveway if I don't know why you're there or what you're doing. I can legally stand next to your bumper and keep you from moving...and if you push me in person or with your vehicle...you are the one who has committed a crime.

Weird how the law works.

The public has access to HOA roads. So public law applies to HOA roads except for one, and only one difference. And that is parking. Just like a private business can set rules on parking as long as they post signs, violaters will be towed, no parking signs, etc.

The public doesn't have access to a gated community. It is private road...like a really long driveway.

The police can come...just like they can come to my driveway...but just like you relinquish rights...such as the right to bear arms...on private property...a private individual can stop you from leaving and question you...similar to shopkeepers privilege in those private parking lots.

Wrong. Gate or no gate, the HOA roads are connected to public ones that access them.
That's why a drunk driver can be charged with a DUI on HOA roads, grasshopper.

Moron. What's mine is not yours.

A private road is not open to the general public without permission, and whoever ignore posted signs and use private roads without permission is trespassing.

Well, if the cops want to chase you home for outrunning them or serve a warrant on you, you'll find out real quick just how private your road is, you toothless wonder!

Private road is private property. Just like a house or a car.

You know that, since you mentioned warrant, and chase. The difference is in warrant and probable cause, which are both legal way to enter the private property. Without that, or your permission, they have no right to enter private property.