Man blocks black delivery driver in Oklahoma neighborhood

[Ame®icano]

I think the driver could have provided that information however holding the men hostage for
an excessive length of time was also wrong and ill advised.

The law calls that harassment.

If I were visiting someone in a gated community, and I was stopped by and asked who I was there to see, I would have just told them. And I would have been nice about it to, not peevish like this doofus.

I would've said who the **** are you?/move your goddamned car cause I have work to do, or I'm calling the cops!

So, did he called the cops?

 

[Ame®icano]

You say you were a delivery driver.

Me too. I go to lots of places lots of rules. I was once detained at Nasa Stennis Space Center for three hours for taking a picture. I didn't see the sign that said no photographs.

I didn't cry. It was my fault. I didn't see the sign, but I agreed to the rules by entering. Lots of places one enters require following rules.

This place was no different.

Well we don't know if any rules were posted outside this gated community. I've never seen that before
and I've serviced lots of places like this. Purely by the fact that a home owner gave these delivery drivers the
gate code that constitutes an obvious form of permission to enter.

I can't fault the driver and helper for doing what they were supposed to do.
I can only find fault, and possible legal ramifications for the vigilante who held these two men for a whole
hour and once more I can't ignore the race factor here.

It's the only thing that would help explain the actions of this fool blocking the truck.

I don't blame the driver for anything except not answering who gave him the code.

That sounds pretty suspicious doesn't it? "A homeowner in your private, gated community gave me the code...but I refuse to tell you who it was."

I'd ask myself "why won't he tell me? Because he got the code illicitly and doesn't know the name of any residents."

What other logical reason could there be?

Correct. If is single gated house, and you give out code to the gate to your house, that is your problem. You don't give out codes to the gate that give access to all other houses. I used to live in gated community, if there is a delivery, either they call me from the gate to open, or I wait for them at the gate.

Does anyone here gives out alarm codes to their houses?

 

[Ame®icano]

Sheesh is right...the unnamed person gave authorization...and gave or a code they were not authorized to release to a third party.

Why are you claiming this homeowner was not authorized to give a gate code to this furniture delivery truck? WHY?

How do you know homeowner is authorized to give access code?

Say you find someone wandering around inside your home. What would you do?

 

[Ame®icano]

I don't blame the driver for anything except not answering who gave him the code.

That sounds pretty suspicious doesn't it? "A homeowner in your private, gated community gave me the code...but I refuse to tell you who it was."

I'd ask myself "why won't he tell me? Because he got the code illicitly and doesn't know the name of any residents."

What other logical reason could there be?

Quite possibly. At that point the man holding the truck hostage should have phoned the police and then let the truck go. Why didn't he do that?

No one was held hostage. The driver had a phone...if he was a hostage...why didn't he call the police?

The HOA representative DID call the police. Is he required to move his vehicle. Is parking ones vehicle across a private road a crime?

Not a private road cause the public has access. If he had been drunk, he could still get busted for a DUI on a HOA road.

You have no perception of what "private" means.

 

[Ame®icano]

Sheesh is right...the unnamed person gave authorization...and gave or a code they were not authorized to release to a third party.

Why are you claiming this homeowner was not authorized to give a gate code to this furniture delivery truck? WHY?

Because only residents are authorized you have gate codes. If you gave them to everyone...what the **** good are they.

Deliveries at gated HOAs are scheduled...the deliveries trucks are buzzed in or escorted. The mailman, the fedex guy and UPS might get codes... regulars. Not just anyone. That Is the purpose of having codes.

Please think before you speak.

Correct. What's the purpose of having gate and code if anyone can access it?

Although, there are locks today that can be programmed to give "one time" access. When my neighbor was on vacation, he asked me accept delivery for him. I thought he wanted me to take it to my home so it doesn't get stolen, but he gave me "one time" code to open his home and drop the package inside.

Now, if someone seen me opening his door, and asked me a question what am I doing, I have no reason not to tell them. I would do the same for my neighbor.

 

[Ame®icano]

Deliveries at gated HOAs are scheduled...the deliveries trucks are buzzed in or escorted. The mailman, the fedex guy and UPS might get codes... regulars. Not just anyone. That Is the purpose of having codes.

My Mom lives in a gated community and residents there get deliveries all throughout the day; nothing is scheduled...

Let me guess, every pizza delivery guy, Uber Eats and ice cream truck driver have a code to enter?

 

[Ame®icano]

no where near as bad as blacks MURDERING whites

Most white murder victims are murdered by whites. Most black murder victims are murdered by blacks. Your point?

Possibly true. But we're not talking about white on white, or black on black crime, do we?

 

[Ame®icano]

no where near as bad as blacks MURDERING whites

Most white murder victims are murdered by whites. Most black murder victims are murdered by blacks. Your point?

If I've learned one thing from this forum it is that blacks and numbers just dont get along.

They just dont understand "per capita".

It's pointless trying to reason with them.

"Per capita" stats are racist.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Deliveries at gated HOAs are scheduled...the deliveries trucks are buzzed in or escorted. The mailman, the fedex guy and UPS might get codes... regulars. Not just anyone. That Is the purpose of having codes.

My Mom lives in a gated community and residents there get deliveries all throughout the day; nothing is scheduled...

Let me guess, every pizza delivery guy, Uber Eats and ice cream truck driver have a code to enter?

No, they either check in at the security gate if it's during the day, or they use the call box and the residents enter a code on their phone to open the gate...

 

[Ame®icano]

Because only residents are authorized you have gate codes. If you gave them to everyone...what the **** good are they.

Deliveries at gated HOAs are scheduled...the deliveries trucks are buzzed in or escorted. The mailman, the fedex guy and UPS might get codes... regulars. Not just anyone. That Is the purpose of having codes.

Please think before you speak.

I don't think "everyone" was given these codes. I don't know why you do except to make your really
weak case seem somewhat strong. You certainly haven't shown that to be the case.

But you have a habit of making unproven claims like this. For instance when you
claimed the home owner was not "authorized" to give these furniture guys a gate code.

Please think before you make unsubstantiated claims.

As your critical thinking skills are sub-par and logical reasoning is lost on you...I took the time to research typical gated HOA rules...

"Security will admit the delivery vehicle and advise the roving patrol of the vehicle’s presence and destination. Failure to advise Security of impending delivery will result in refusal to allow vendor to enter."

"It shall be the responsibility of the host property owner to identify and admit guests. Host property owners must be present and shall be accountable for the conduct of their guests. Providing your gate card to a guest for his/her use when you are not with the guest or within the gated Bay Tree area is not permitted."
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"No association is going to provide a gate code to non-residents, as doing so truly negates any security for the homeowners."

Communities don’t pass out gate codes

Nevada Revised Statute 116.2111 subsection 2a states that an association may not unreasonably restrict, prohibit or otherwise impede the lawful rights of a unit’s owner to have reasonable acc...

www.reviewjournal.com

Not all HOA's are the same. We have hundreds of homes in my HOA and no roving patrol vehicle.
Some nazi's live here tho'.

I hate HOAs...not because off the security aspects...but the control aspects. If you want a say in what I do on my own property...you should have bought it. I have enough trouble with the cities codes...but my wife likes the security of having the cop shop three blocks away.

I used to live in one, and it's been OK for awhile. Until my wife wanted to replace front door with one that has glass panels. Soon after I got letter from HOA that I have to paint door from white, to one of two colors approved by HOA. Second time letter stated that it was not right shade of green. I hated those little details, but at the time I was complying with them because I lived there. Moved out some six years ago to a new house, still on private road, but not gated.

 

[Ame®icano]

Because only residents are authorized you have gate codes. If you gave them to everyone...what the **** good are they.

Deliveries at gated HOAs are scheduled...the deliveries trucks are buzzed in or escorted. The mailman, the fedex guy and UPS might get codes... regulars. Not just anyone. That Is the purpose of having codes.

Please think before you speak.

I don't think "everyone" was given these codes. I don't know why you do except to make your really
weak case seem somewhat strong. You certainly haven't shown that to be the case.

But you have a habit of making unproven claims like this. For instance when you
claimed the home owner was not "authorized" to give these furniture guys a gate code.

Please think before you make unsubstantiated claims.

As your critical thinking skills are sub-par and logical reasoning is lost on you...I took the time to research typical gated HOA rules...

"Security will admit the delivery vehicle and advise the roving patrol of the vehicle’s presence and destination. Failure to advise Security of impending delivery will result in refusal to allow vendor to enter."

"It shall be the responsibility of the host property owner to identify and admit guests. Host property owners must be present and shall be accountable for the conduct of their guests. Providing your gate card to a guest for his/her use when you are not with the guest or within the gated Bay Tree area is not permitted."
--------
"No association is going to provide a gate code to non-residents, as doing so truly negates any security for the homeowners."

Communities don’t pass out gate codes

Nevada Revised Statute 116.2111 subsection 2a states that an association may not unreasonably restrict, prohibit or otherwise impede the lawful rights of a unit’s owner to have reasonable acc...

www.reviewjournal.com

Not all HOA's are the same. We have hundreds of homes in my HOA and no roving patrol vehicle.
Some nazi's live here tho'.

It happens, in trailer parks.

 

[Ame®icano]

I am sure he was 'delivering' something...grand theft probably.

No racism here, folks.

What? If a black comes into your neighborhood that you don't recognize and you are not suspicious...you are an idiot.

Racism here though.

The race card...accepting in empty liberal heads everywhere.

If a saw a cracker in my neighborhood...

Yesterday I saw couple of joggers in mine. They were both in leggings and running shoes, and they didn't carry hammers with them.

You gotta be careful with joggers today.

 

[Ame®icano]

BULLSHIT! LIPSTICK!

Grrrr. Did You shake your fist add you posted that?

So...why didn't he call the police? I had a guy who would move blocking me from making a turn...refused to back up...and I couldn't back up. I have it on video. I called the cops. In 15 minutes they showed up and made him back up. No big deal. The guy was a dick but I wasn't going to just sit there and I couldn't force him to move. Same deal here. So why didn't he call the police?

Intimidated? Doesn't trust cops?
I don't know. He should have!
Especially since he was blocked.

Why did the dimwit use his private car to block him?

It's a private street. Just like I can block you in my driveway if I don't know why you're there or what you're doing. I can legally stand next to your bumper and keep you from moving...and if you push me in person or with your vehicle...you are the one who has committed a crime.

Weird how the law works.

The public has access to HOA roads. So public law applies to HOA roads except for one, and only one difference. And that is parking. Just like a private business can set rules on parking as long as they post signs, violaters will be towed, no parking signs, etc.

The public doesn't have access to a gated community. It is private road...like a really long driveway.

The police can come...just like they can come to my driveway...but just like you relinquish rights...such as the right to bear arms...on private property...a private individual can stop you from leaving and question you...similar to shopkeepers privilege in those private parking lots.

Wrong. Gate or no gate, the HOA roads are connected to public ones that access them.
That's why a drunk driver can be charged with a DUI on HOA roads, grasshopper.

Moron. What's mine is not yours.

A private road is not open to the general public without permission, and whoever ignore posted signs and use private roads without permission is trespassing.

 

[Ame®icano]

You're an idiot. People who are being held hostage call the police. Words have meanings. If you attempt to convey a narrative that is clearly idiotic...that makes you an idiot. If you don't want to be called an idiot, stop being idiotic. Problem solved.

So if you stand at my front door and don't let me leave my home I am not being detained unless I call the
cops on you? That's just plain stupid. Only a caveman would think he has a valid point there.
There may be many reasons why I might not call the police on you. **** off, idiot!

Your example is backwards.

If you enter my home without my knowledge, and I don't let you leave until police come, you are being detained.
You're welcome to call cops and complain that I am not letting you leave.

 

[Ame®icano]

Another one to file under "working while black"....
Man blocks black delivery driver in an Oklahoma neighborhood

Just typical HOA Nazis thinking they can police the world.

When I drove delivery for a local paint company, I got stopped by HOA folks all the time down in the Potomac area. I just cooperated with them, gave them the info that they thought they needed and was off to do the delivery.

Why did the driver not tell them who the delivery was for?

You don't want to disclose who you selling crack to.

 

[Ame®icano]

So instead of calling the cops, the black dude just recorded it all, hoping to create a Rodney King incident? Who’s the real profiling bigot in this one? Sounds like the black driver.

The "black dude" has a name. Travis Miller.

Travis Miller said that he made the video as protection against false claims about what was said. He didn't know it was going to be 37 minutes; he didn't know it was going viral. His fear was that the racist on the ground would lie about what Miller said, or didn't say, and use it against him with his employer. The video was the act of a smart man, under the circumstances, and of an apparently wise and gentleman, as well. He stayed calm in a situation where anger, perhaps even violence, would have been understandable.

Or... black dude started recording when he decided to refuse to reveal who gave him a code, so he could later cry racism.

 

[Ame®icano]

What a shocker the racists here assume because the men who stopped him were white racism had to be their motivation.

The racists are the ones denying that race was a factor.

More like, racists are those who claim that race was a factor.

 

[B. Kidd]

BULLSHIT! LIPSTICK!

Grrrr. Did You shake your fist add you posted that?

So...why didn't he call the police? I had a guy who would move blocking me from making a turn...refused to back up...and I couldn't back up. I have it on video. I called the cops. In 15 minutes they showed up and made him back up. No big deal. The guy was a dick but I wasn't going to just sit there and I couldn't force him to move. Same deal here. So why didn't he call the police?

Intimidated? Doesn't trust cops?
I don't know. He should have!
Especially since he was blocked.

Why did the dimwit use his private car to block him?

It's a private street. Just like I can block you in my driveway if I don't know why you're there or what you're doing. I can legally stand next to your bumper and keep you from moving...and if you push me in person or with your vehicle...you are the one who has committed a crime.

Weird how the law works.

The public has access to HOA roads. So public law applies to HOA roads except for one, and only one difference. And that is parking. Just like a private business can set rules on parking as long as they post signs, violaters will be towed, no parking signs, etc.

The public doesn't have access to a gated community. It is private road...like a really long driveway.

The police can come...just like they can come to my driveway...but just like you relinquish rights...such as the right to bear arms...on private property...a private individual can stop you from leaving and question you...similar to shopkeepers privilege in those private parking lots.

Wrong. Gate or no gate, the HOA roads are connected to public ones that access them.
That's why a drunk driver can be charged with a DUI on HOA roads, grasshopper.

Moron. What's mine is not yours.

A private road is not open to the general public without permission, and whoever ignore posted signs and use private roads without permission is trespassing.

Well, if the cops want to chase you home for outrunning them or serve a warrant on you, you'll find out real quick just how private your road is, you toothless wonder!

 

[Ame®icano]

How sad for them, to be under the thumb of a racist.

Have you heard the expression that to a hammer everything looks like a nail?

Since every issue you see is race related...anyone who disagrees must be a racist. Shed your blinders. See again.

 

[Ame®icano]

“All we want to know is why you’re in here and who gave you the gate code,” the second homeowner said. “That’s all we need to know.”

That is a perfectly legitimate question, and here was his reply.....

Miller responded, “It’s none of your business. I’m going out, that’s where I’m going.”

Why would you think Miller should respond to them? Did Stewart have a badge? An official HOA vehicle or uniform? Miller had a company truck with a company uniform and Stewart wasn't supposed to accept that as evidence to back up Miller's story about why he was there yet Stewart had nothing except his word and Miller was supposed to accept just that alone? You're a ******* hypocrite and a racist if you think Miller should have just accepted Stewart because, afterall, Stewart was the white guy.

Again... grow up. Why not answer the question?

Instead of sitting around "I don't have to answer anyone!"... how about.... answer the questions, and go about your life without needlessly causing drama?

You needlessly cause drama, and want to whine and cry that your life is filled with drama.

Stop. Stop being a prick. If someone asks you a question, what is it to you, to answer the question?

Got your nose stuck so far up your own butt, you can't answer? Just answer the question.

Again, I've done this. I'm not asking anyone to do anything, I have not lived out in my life. I've had people ask me what the heck I was doing numerous times. It never crossed my mind "Oh I shouldn't have to answer!"

Why? Because I'm a good person. I do not have my head shoved so far up my self centered ego, that I can't simply answer the questions.

It's that same mentally that results in people fighting with police, and end up shot or arrested, and then crying about it. NO, ANSWER THE QUESTION.

Stop escalating stuff.

By the way, it's all that same stupid mentality that "I don't have to answer to anyone!" is why so many men end up divorced, and wondering why they can't find a good wife.

No, you are garbage human being, that's why.

See, this is why people like me, are simply better people. When others asked me what I was doing, and where I as going... it never occurred to me "Well.... I should not have to answer that! I'm a full asshole, and I never should have to answer anyone!".

Never occurred to me. I just, like any adult human being with a sense of decency... Answered the questions asked, and was sent on my way with zero drama.

That's what separates men, form toddlers. Being a man, is not acting like stuck up caveman who doesn't have to answer anyone.

You do understand that you're asking leftist snowflake to answer the question, do ya?

Before you put him to that impossible task, you have to understand that he's pathetic man who cries when he's upset rather than screaming at his 3 year old wife's son to shut to **** up.