Zone1 Maine will forcefully remove children from parents, if the parents do not obey the Marxists in gender reassignments for the children.

[TruthNotBS]

The problems we are experiencing now, are THANKS to cloward-Piven, two SOCIALISTS who postulated a way for the USA to be destroyed from within.

We are living their plan now.

We're it not for them, the shit show that is going on now, wouldn't be.

And that's the problem with socialists. For their plans to work they have to kill a whole butt ton of people.

So, how many millions have to die before you are satisfied?

Yeah right sure sure. The cost of living is due to capitalism's lust for profits at all costs, even if it means cannibalizing the working class, which produces everything in society. The destruction of the US economy began with the inflation caused by Vietnam, the large-scale introduction of computers in the workplace in the 1970s, eliminating millions of jobs, and Ronald Reagan's "supply-side economics", which gutted our manufacturing base and broke up most of America's labor unions. Our massive debt crisis, which is often mentioned by Republicans started with Reagan. When Reagan entered office, the highest marginal tax rate was 70%, when he left office it was 28%.

The golden age of the US economy was when its workforce was highly unionized and based on manufacturing rather than finance/Wall Street/speculative trading. The highest marginal tax rate was 91% in the 1950s and into the 60s. The average CEO of companies with 500+ employees earned no more than 20 to 30 times the salary of their average worker. Today the CEOs of the largest companies in our country make as much as 1000 times more than the average salary in their companies. The degree of inequality in our country is gross and off the charts. This leads to social unrest and eventually people not having enough to pay their bills.

My maternal grandfather and grandmother, with my mother, migrated to this country with little money in 1961. My grandfather worked hard for Bertram Yachts in Miami, Florida, spraying boat molds with fiberglass, to produce boat hulls. It was a labor-intensive, toxic/hazardous blue-collar job and he didn't just support a family with his salary but saved money and by 1965 he purchased his house cash, mortgage-free, without a bank loan. The house cost him $15,000, it had a backyard full of aguacate and mango trees. It was a beautiful two-bedroom house with a decent-sized backyard, a little garage, a TV room, a big living room, a nice kitchen..etc. Is that possible today? No way.

 

[westwall]

Yeah right sure sure. The cost of living is due to capitalism's lust for profits at all costs, even if it means cannibalizing the working class, which produces everything in society. The destruction of the US economy began with the inflation caused by Vietnam, the large-scale introduction of computers in the workplace in the 1970s, eliminating millions of jobs, and Ronald Reagan's "supply-side economics", which gutted our manufacturing base and broke up most of America's labor unions. Our massive debt crisis, which is often mentioned by Republicans started with Reagan. When Reagan entered office, the highest marginal tax rate was 70%, when he left office it was 28%.

The golden age of the US economy was when its workforce was highly unionized and based on manufacturing rather than finance/Wall Street/speculative trading. The highest marginal tax rate was 91% in the 1950s and into the 60s. The average CEO of companies with 500+ employees earned no more than 20 to 30 times the salary of their average worker. Today the CEOs of the largest companies in our country make as much as 1000 times more than the average salary in their companies. The degree of inequality in our country is gross and off the charts. This leads to social unrest and eventually people not having enough to pay their bills.

My maternal grandfather and grandmother, with my mother, migrated to this country with little money in 1961. My grandfather worked hard for Bertram Yachts in Miami, Florida, spraying boat molds with fiberglass, to produce boat hulls. It was a labor-intensive, toxic/hazardous blue-collar job and he didn't just support a family with his salary but saved money and by 1965 he purchased his house cash, mortgage-free, without a bank loan. The house cost him $15,000, it had a backyard full of aguacate and mango trees. It was a beautiful two-bedroom house with a decent-sized backyard, a little garage, a TV room, a big living room, a nice kitchen..etc. Is that possible today? No way.

Correct. Government steals the wealth of the middle class. GOVERNMENT. Not capitalism.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Correct. Government steals the wealth of the middle class. GOVERNMENT. Not capitalism.

Governments in the grip of capitalists do just that. We live in a capitalist, plutocratic oligarchy, that serves the interests of the wealthy at the expense of the working class.

 

[westwall]

Governments in the grip of capitalists do just that. We live in a capitalist, plutocratic oligarchy, that serves the interests of the wealthy at the expense of the working class.

Wrong. We live in a fascist oligarchy, that is slowly destroying the middle class through taxation.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I remember when the Soviet Socialist States of Russia, was full bore Communist.

You obviously don't remember anything about the Soviet Union, if you're identifying it as "full-bore communist". The USSR was the United Soviet Socialist Republic and it never claimed to be cpmmunist but rather on the socialist path to communism. A society without a state, without socioeconomic classes or the need for money.

The Soviet Union had a state, had socioeconomic classes albeit less than under market capitalism, and used money as a means of exchange for labor, goods, and services. So again, it was a centrally planned, command economy, managed by the state, not a stateless society where the consumer had complete control over the means of production as Karl Marx and Engels described.

The Soviet Union is irrelevant to this discussion because we're not the Soviet Union or Soviet Russia. The context of our political situation and our resources, along with our modern technology is completely different from that of Soviet Russia in the early 20th century. To bring the USSR into the discussion is nothing more than an evasive emotionally charged distraction, a fearmongering smoke screen designed to distract readers from the topic I mentioned, namely the need to adopt socialism as a result of advanced automation and artificial intelligence.

It's obvious, even to many of the wealthy ruling elites, that we're heading right unto the lap of socialism due to advanced technology automating the production of goods and services. That includes mining and the processing of raw materials. The logistical framework of mass production is heading towards socialism, due to advanced automation, AI, and powerful computers.

Each working person, because they were forced to work or ended up dead or in a gulag,

You're spewing a bunch of Western Cold War propaganda. It was illegal in Soviet Russia for someone who could work, not to, but to be a lazy bum wasn't a capital crime. The Gulag system is also misrepresented in the West and it was eliminated by the 1950s. What does any of this have to do with what I mentioned in earlier posts? Nothing. It's just a cheap shot. He's unable and unwilling to debate economics so he begins with the Cold War BS propaganda and fearmongering.

If the situation was as bad in the Soviet Union as capitalist propagandists claim why do so many Russians in Russia have such fond memories of their lives as Soviet citizens?

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had a 1 bedroom or 2 bedroom apartment depending if you were married or not. You had 1 car, a real shit car, and one TV that broadcasted 1 television channel that all day said how great Communism was.

Hehehe looking at how bad the situation is here in the US today, what you just described above sounds pretty good! People today don't even have enough to pay the rent of a 1 bedroom apartment, hence are forced to live in rooms in other people's houses or small studios, while making $20 hourly. The cost of living in the US today is through the roof. You're detached from reality due to probably being retired.

Again, nothing of what is being said here is relevant to the topic I mentioned in an earlier post about socialism in America due to advanced technology. He's going on his Anti-Soviet-fearmongering tangent.

One newspaper also saying how Evil the West was and only the Communist Party mattered. I also was in West Germany about 10 miles from the Wall that separated the East from the West, and not once did i see anyone trying to go over the wall, facing rabid dogs and machine guns, to get into East Germany, but 100s a year trying to get to freedom. That is the dirty little secret the Marxists fail to tell idiots like you.

The Soviet Union, including East Germany, was heavily sanctioned economically and constantly threatened with war. The US, UK, and France, along with 11 other nations, invaded Russia in 1918, shortly after WW1 and that essentially characterized the relationship of Soviet Russia and the West until the USSR's demise in 1991. It was one of perpetual war and hostility, mostly coming from the capitalist-run West.

In view of what the USSR accomplished, turning a poor, under-industrialized, agrarian society into the world's second-largest economy and a military nuclear superpower, despite all of the obstacles, its 70+ year life was quite impressive.

The US is currently barring its citizens and legal residents from traveling to certain countries. Travel restrictions aren't unique to Marxist-run governments and economies. Why should the USSR and East Germany allow its human capital, scientists, engineers, academics..etc, to receive all of their education and training, only to leave for Western Europe or the US? These countries were the enemy, encircling the USSR and doing everything possible to destroy it. Despite that, there were student and academic exchanges between the USSR, including East Germany and the West. Not too many of the participants in these programs defected to stay in the West, they went back home to the USSR and East Germany:

1. Fulbright Program: It provided opportunities for students, scholars, and professionals to study, teach, and conduct research.
2. International Research & Exchanges Board (IREX): Established in 1968, IREX promoted advanced field research and professional exchanges between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, among other countries. It was one of the leading organizations in fostering academic and cultural exchanges during the Cold War.
3. US-USSR Cultural Exchange Agreement (1958): This agreement between the United States and the Soviet Union was aimed at promoting cultural exchanges, including the exchange of students, educators, and cultural leaders between the two countries. It was part of a broader effort to ease Cold War tensions through people-to-people contacts.
4. British Council Exchange Programs: The British Council facilitated various cultural and educational exchange programs with the Soviet Union, including student exchanges. These programs aimed to foster mutual understanding between the UK and the USSR.
5. AFS Intercultural Programs: Known for its international student exchange programs, AFS (originally the American Field Service) included participants from a wide range of countries, and although primarily focused on exchanges between Western countries, it occasionally facilitated exchanges involving Eastern Bloc countries.
6. East-West Contacts under the Helsinki Accords (1975): The Helsinki Final Act, signed by 35 countries including the USSR and the United States, included provisions to facilitate human contacts across the Iron Curtain. This led to an increase in various forms of exchanges, including those involving students and academics, although these were not specific programs but rather part of broader diplomatic efforts.
7. Soviet-American Exchange Initiative (1985): Initiated by Mikhail Gorbachev, this program aimed to increase cultural and educational exchanges between the USSR and the USA, including student exchanges, as part of the broader perestroika and glasnost reforms.

These programs varied in size, scope, and impact, but all contributed to creating channels of communication and exchange between the USSR and the Western world during a time of heightened global tensions.
There are a considerable number of North Korean defectors who after living in South Korea and getting a taste of capitalism, want to return to North Korea:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Korean+defectors+returning+to+North+Korea

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All of the above is irrelevant to what I was discussing about socialism in the United States due to advanced automation and artificial intelligence. This person wants to grind the ax and deflect from the issue of economics and focus on historical events that aren't relevant to us today in 21st-century America, with all of our unique political, scientific, social, and cultural institutions and modern technology.

Such stupid fucks who think that Socialism is so great. Did you know Socialism was first tried in the United States, and when it failed, the country as we know it almost didnt happen, until Capitalism made its way.

When people dont learn from history, history tends to repeat itself, and we are at the crux of a historical failure, because of Socialism again.

Socialism Failed Miserably For The Pilgrims, Just Like It Does Everywhere

Today's democratic socialists like to claim real socialism has never been tried in America, but they're wrong. The Pilgrims did try it — and it failed.

thefederalist.com

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Governments in the grip of capitalists do just that. We live in a capitalist, plutocratic oligarchy, that serves the interests of the wealthy at the expense of the working class.

And who is in charge right now of that Government? The shitter who stole the 2020 election, that is who. America was doing just fine, until you dumbfucks allowed the Big Steal..

 

[TruthNotBS]

And who is in charge right now of that Government? The shitter who stole the 2020 election, that is who. America was doing just fine, until you dumbfucks allowed the Big Steal..

No one stole the election, you're living in Lalaland. Trump didn't do anything significant for the US economy. Obama inherited a recession and steadily grew the economy. Trump inherited an economy in a state of growth and rather than implementing policies that serve the interests of working class people, he just cut taxes for the rich and deregulated industries. Whatever growth is attained through such policies is always short-lived and artificial. Trump's job creation was mostly within the low-wage, retail sector, and didn't do much to reduce the high cost of living. Trump essentially didn't do diddly squat for the working class.

 

[westwall]

No one stole the election, you're living in Lalaland. Trump didn't do anything significant for the US economy. Obama inherited a recession and steadily grew the economy. Trump inherited an economy in a state of growth and rather than implementing policies that serve the interests of working class people, he just cut taxes for the rich and deregulated industries. Whatever growth is attained through such policies is always short-lived and artificial. Trump's job creation was mostly within the low-wage, retail sector, and didn't do much to reduce the high cost of living. Trump essentially didn't do diddly squat for the working class.

Yes, the election was stolen. It takes a fool to claim that Trump inherited anything. The "recovery" under obummer was the slowest, and worst in US history. It was so bad they, and their media minions were telling us that no longer would 3% GDP growth ever be seen again. They told us that the incredibly slow economy of obummer, and his globalist minions was the "new normal", that we would have nothing, and like it.

So, do you lie on purpose, or do you truly not know the actual history?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

No one stole the election, you're living in Lalaland. Trump didn't do anything significant for the US economy. Obama inherited a recession and steadily grew the economy. Trump inherited an economy in a state of growth and rather than implementing policies that serve the interests of working class people, he just cut taxes for the rich and deregulated industries. Whatever growth is attained through such policies is always short-lived and artificial. Trump's job creation was mostly within the low-wage, retail sector, and didn't do much to reduce the high cost of living. Trump essentially didn't do diddly squat for the working class.

Election 2020: A vote for Trump is a vote for economic progress for African Americans

Before the pandemic, African Americans were thriving economically. Looking ahead, Trump's promises are ambitious, but his track record is impressive.

www.usatoday.com

Women are winning under President Trump | Opinion

President Trump values working side-by-side with women.

www.pennlive.com

Trump’s Latino Support Was More Widespread Than Thought, Report Finds (Published 2021)

While Latinos played a major role in Democratic victories last year, Donald Trump’s outreach to them proved successful in states around the country, not just in certain geographic areas.

www.nytimes.com

Only an idiot like you would actually believe the shit you shovel.

As for Obama "inheriting a recession", It was Andrew Cuomo who caused the housing market crash.
The brown turd Obammy's growth, was the new normal where college educated people had to work minimum wage jobs.
President Trump didnt cut taxes for the rich, he made the tax codes so easy, even a stupid fuck like you could get money back, but not the poor, because the poor dont pay their fair share.
Creating 100s of thousands of high paying union jobs in the energy field, isnt really retail sector, now is it?

 

[TruthNotBS]

Yes, the election was stolen. It takes a fool to claim that Trump inherited anything. The "recovery" under obummer was the slowest, and worst in US history. It was so bad they, and their media minions were telling us that no longer would 3% GDP growth ever be seen again. They told us that the incredibly slow economy of obummer, and his globalist minions was the "new normal", that we would have nothing, and like it.

So, do you lie on purpose, or do you truly not know the actual history?

FACTS:

No the election wasn't stolen. Every attempt to prove that claim was laughed out of court and thrown in the trash bin. You have zero verifiable evidence of that ever happening.

In the area of economics, by any definition, the U.S. economy escaped the recession that marred Obama's first days in office. Real (inflation-adjusted) gross domestic product (GDP) shrunk at an annual, seasonally adjusted rate of 8.2% in the fourth quarter of 2008, immediately before Obama's first inauguration on January 20, 2009. In the third quarter of 2016, it grew 3.5%, marking its tenth straight quarter of growth.

Inflation remained mostly under 3%, despite all of the money allocated to the recovery:

You Republicans gave the Dems a great recession, not seen since the 1930s and Obama brought our country back from ruin.

​

The Republicans are always complaining about the so-called "National Debt" (Which can just as well be called a national surplus depending on where you're measuring it, the private sector or from the government's financial obligations), and excessive government spending. Yet Republicans are the ones who grow the "national debt" the most whenever they're in office and outspend everyone while cutting taxes to the wealthiest people in our society, lowering tax revenue the most.

Since WWII, regardless of what metric is used, the economy has performed demonstrably better under Democratic presidents. Just take a look at the Bureau of Labor Statistics and scholarly articles by two economists Alan Binder and Mark Watson published in 2016 titled: Presidents and the U.S. Economy: an Econometric Exploration.

Presidents and the US Economy: An Econometric Exploration - American Economic Association

Presidents and the US Economy: An Econometric Exploration by Alan S. Blinder and Mark W. Watson. Published in volume 106, issue 4, pages 1015-45 of American Economic Review, April 2016, Abstract: The US economy has performed better when the president of the United States is a Democrat rather...

www.aeaweb.org

Since 1933, the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) has increased by 4.6% under Democratic presidents and 2.4% under Republicans. The average American income would be more than double its current level if we had had only Democratic presidents for the last nine decades.

Beginning with Truman, the seven Democratic presidents have created 70.5 million jobs while the six Republican presidents created only 29.1 million jobs. The Democratic presidents were in office for a total of 429 months with an average of 164,000 jobs added per month. The Republican presidents were in office a total of 475 months and added an average of 61,000 jobs per month.

Job growth under Democrats was 2.4 faster than under Republicans. Ten of the eleven recessions between 1953 and 2020 began under Republican presidents. Every Republican president since Benjamin Harrison has had a recession during his first term.

Binder and Watson determined that the unemployment rates fell by an average of 0.8% under Democrats but rose by an average of 1.1% under Republicans. The unemployment rate has been lower at the end of every Democratic president’s term since Kennedy in 1961. That was true only for Reagan since Eisenhower's terms.

These economists also determined that since 1945 the average inflation rates were higher under Republicans. They found that the federal budget deficits were smaller under Democrats at 2.1% potential GDP while 2.8% potential GDP under Republicans. Since 1981, the federal budget deficits were higher under Reagan, both Bushes and Trump, while deficits decreased under Clinton and Obama. During Clinton’s second term, the nation had a surplus for the first time since 1969.

The stock market returns are also higher under Democrats than under Republicans. According to the Standard and Poor 500 average increased by 11.2% under Democrat president compared to 6.9% under Republican presidents.

IN 2021, Bloomberg News reported that the Democratic presidents held seven of the top ten highest S and P 500 in the first year of a Democrat president. Joe Biden ranked first with a 37.4% return. Since 1945, the corporate earnings per share grew 12.8% under Democrats but only 1.8% for Republicans.

I can continue to produce data that supports the claim that the economy does substantially better under Democratic presidents, but why bother? Given these facts, how do Republicans ever win any races? Simple. They exploit hot-button social issues such as abortion, LGBTQ rights, perceived loss of moral values, in society, abandonment of religious beliefs, perceived decline in national defense against threats, and imagined threats associated with increased civil rights for minorities. None of these has anything to do with the economy.

The Republican party today appeals to voters by exploiting fear in various forms. By loudly focusing on these fears, they misdirect the people's attention away from the harsh reality of the failure of their policies on improving economic growth for all people, while rewarding the ultra-rich who donate huge sums of money to safeguard their stranglehold on their elected positions. In the long-term the Republicans always hurt our economy while the policies advanced by Democrats contribute to the long-term health and growth of our economy.

 

[Polishprince]

Show me anywhere in the writings of Karl Marx, where he in any way promoted or condoned LGBT+ values or all of this gender dysphoria. You won't find it. Marx with his colleague and fellow communist philosopher, Fredrick Engels, had very negative views of homosexuals. They are identified as "homophobes" by many pro-LGBT+ activists.

This is the crazy thing about the whole Tranny Craze.

The advocates today are bigger Marxists than Marx himself.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

FACTS:

No the election wasn't stolen. Every attempt to prove that claim was laughed out of court and thrown in the trash bin. You have zero verifiable evidence of that ever happening.

In the area of economics, by any definition, the U.S. economy escaped the recession that marred Obama's first days in office. Real (inflation-adjusted) gross domestic product (GDP) shrunk at an annual, seasonally adjusted rate of 8.2% in the fourth quarter of 2008, immediately before Obama's first inauguration on January 20, 2009. In the third quarter of 2016, it grew 3.5%, marking its tenth straight quarter of growth.

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You Republicans gave the Dems a great recession, not seen since the 1930s and Obama brought our country back from ruin.

​

The Republicans are always complaining about the so-called "National Debt" (Which can just as well be called a national surplus depending on where you're measuring it, the private sector or from the government's financial obligations), and excessive government spending. Yet Republicans are the ones who grow the "national debt" the most whenever they're in office and outspend everyone while cutting taxes to the wealthiest people in our society, lowering tax revenue the most.

Since WWII, regardless of what metric is used, the economy has performed demonstrably better under Democratic presidents. Just take a look at the Bureau of Labor Statistics and scholarly articles by two economists Alan Binder and Mark Watson published in 2016 titled: Presidents and the U.S. Economy: an Econometric Exploration.

Presidents and the US Economy: An Econometric Exploration - American Economic Association

Presidents and the US Economy: An Econometric Exploration by Alan S. Blinder and Mark W. Watson. Published in volume 106, issue 4, pages 1015-45 of American Economic Review, April 2016, Abstract: The US economy has performed better when the president of the United States is a Democrat rather...

www.aeaweb.org

Since 1933, the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) has increased by 4.6% under Democratic presidents and 2.4% under Republicans. The average American income would be more than double its current level if we had had only Democratic presidents for the last nine decades.

Beginning with Truman, the seven Democratic presidents have created 70.5 million jobs while the six Republican presidents created only 29.1 million jobs. The Democratic presidents were in office for a total of 429 months with an average of 164,000 jobs added per month. The Republican presidents were in office a total of 475 months and added an average of 61,000 jobs per month.

Job growth under Democrats was 2.4 faster than under Republicans. Ten of the eleven recessions between 1953 and 2020 began under Republican presidents. Every Republican president since Benjamin Harrison has had a recession during his first term.

Binder and Watson determined that the unemployment rates fell by an average of 0.8% under Democrats but rose by an average of 1.1% under Republicans. The unemployment rate has been lower at the end of every Democratic president’s term since Kennedy in 1961. That was true only for Reagan since Eisenhower's terms.

These economists also determined that since 1945 the average inflation rates were higher under Republicans. They found that the federal budget deficits were smaller under Democrats at 2.1% potential GDP while 2.8% potential GDP under Republicans. Since 1981, the federal budget deficits were higher under Reagan, both Bushes and Trump, while deficits decreased under Clinton and Obama. During Clinton’s second term, the nation had a surplus for the first time since 1969.

The stock market returns are also higher under Democrats than under Republicans. According to the Standard and Poor 500 average increased by 11.2% under Democrat president compared to 6.9% under Republican presidents.

IN 2021, Bloomberg News reported that the Democratic presidents held seven of the top ten highest S and P 500 in the first year of a Democrat president. Joe Biden ranked first with a 37.4% return. Since 1945, the corporate earnings per share grew 12.8% under Democrats but only 1.8% for Republicans.

I can continue to produce data that supports the claim that the economy does substantially better under Democratic presidents, but why bother? Given these facts, how do Republicans ever win any races? Simple. They exploit hot-button social issues such as abortion, LGBTQ rights, perceived loss of moral values, in society, abandonment of religious beliefs, perceived decline in national defense against threats, and imagined threats associated with increased civil rights for minorities. None of these has anything to do with the economy.

The Republican party today appeals to voters by exploiting fear in various forms. By loudly focusing on these fears, they misdirect the people's attention away from the harsh reality of the failure of their policies on improving economic growth for all people, while rewarding the ultra-rich who donate huge sums of money to safeguard their stranglehold on their elected positions. In the long-term the Republicans always hurt our economy while the policies advanced by Democrats contribute to the long-term health and growth of our economy.

In 2009 the brown turd Obammy "inherited a recession", and for the next 3 years the turd was necessarily skyrocketing energy prices, which cause an even deeper recession. Then the moron Fed woman, Janet Yellow, started printing money like there was no tomorrow (QE Forever), so the uber wealthy could borrow the money at ZERO percent interest and invest it in their own stocks making 3 to 4 percent interest a year, thus the stock market went up but the savings of the normal Joe savings account went to shit. Oh yeah, the brown turd Obammy who was against Faggots getting married, once he got a 2nd term and couldnt lose the black vote, he then said "Yeah, let the queers get married, i dont need to worry about that shit" because i am a queer and my tranny partner Michael, really put one over on the blacks. Then when it looked like Hitlery was going to break the glass ceiling and be ordained king of America, the people decided that 8 years of tyranny was enough for them, and elected a guy who was going to help the people, not RULE the people. But alas, the Marxists/Demofascists planned for the next 4 years, releasing upon the US the Kung Flu, because then they could have mail in ballots in 2020, and after 2 am, suitcases of those ballots got stuffed for Joe, only, and by 7 am, the election was stolen for Joe Bidumb, and the people against suffer greatly.

 

[westwall]

FACTS:

No the election wasn't stolen. Every attempt to prove that claim was laughed out of court and thrown in the trash bin. You have zero verifiable evidence of that ever happening.

In the area of economics, by any definition, the U.S. economy escaped the recession that marred Obama's first days in office. Real (inflation-adjusted) gross domestic product (GDP) shrunk at an annual, seasonally adjusted rate of 8.2% in the fourth quarter of 2008, immediately before Obama's first inauguration on January 20, 2009. In the third quarter of 2016, it grew 3.5%, marking its tenth straight quarter of growth.

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Inflation remained mostly under 3%, despite all of the money allocated to the recovery:
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You Republicans gave the Dems a great recession, not seen since the 1930s and Obama brought our country back from ruin.

​

The Republicans are always complaining about the so-called "National Debt" (Which can just as well be called a national surplus depending on where you're measuring it, the private sector or from the government's financial obligations), and excessive government spending. Yet Republicans are the ones who grow the "national debt" the most whenever they're in office and outspend everyone while cutting taxes to the wealthiest people in our society, lowering tax revenue the most.

Since WWII, regardless of what metric is used, the economy has performed demonstrably better under Democratic presidents. Just take a look at the Bureau of Labor Statistics and scholarly articles by two economists Alan Binder and Mark Watson published in 2016 titled: Presidents and the U.S. Economy: an Econometric Exploration.

Presidents and the US Economy: An Econometric Exploration - American Economic Association

Presidents and the US Economy: An Econometric Exploration by Alan S. Blinder and Mark W. Watson. Published in volume 106, issue 4, pages 1015-45 of American Economic Review, April 2016, Abstract: The US economy has performed better when the president of the United States is a Democrat rather...

www.aeaweb.org

Since 1933, the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) has increased by 4.6% under Democratic presidents and 2.4% under Republicans. The average American income would be more than double its current level if we had had only Democratic presidents for the last nine decades.

Beginning with Truman, the seven Democratic presidents have created 70.5 million jobs while the six Republican presidents created only 29.1 million jobs. The Democratic presidents were in office for a total of 429 months with an average of 164,000 jobs added per month. The Republican presidents were in office a total of 475 months and added an average of 61,000 jobs per month.

Job growth under Democrats was 2.4 faster than under Republicans. Ten of the eleven recessions between 1953 and 2020 began under Republican presidents. Every Republican president since Benjamin Harrison has had a recession during his first term.

Binder and Watson determined that the unemployment rates fell by an average of 0.8% under Democrats but rose by an average of 1.1% under Republicans. The unemployment rate has been lower at the end of every Democratic president’s term since Kennedy in 1961. That was true only for Reagan since Eisenhower's terms.

These economists also determined that since 1945 the average inflation rates were higher under Republicans. They found that the federal budget deficits were smaller under Democrats at 2.1% potential GDP while 2.8% potential GDP under Republicans. Since 1981, the federal budget deficits were higher under Reagan, both Bushes and Trump, while deficits decreased under Clinton and Obama. During Clinton’s second term, the nation had a surplus for the first time since 1969.

The stock market returns are also higher under Democrats than under Republicans. According to the Standard and Poor 500 average increased by 11.2% under Democrat president compared to 6.9% under Republican presidents.

IN 2021, Bloomberg News reported that the Democratic presidents held seven of the top ten highest S and P 500 in the first year of a Democrat president. Joe Biden ranked first with a 37.4% return. Since 1945, the corporate earnings per share grew 12.8% under Democrats but only 1.8% for Republicans.

I can continue to produce data that supports the claim that the economy does substantially better under Democratic presidents, but why bother? Given these facts, how do Republicans ever win any races? Simple. They exploit hot-button social issues such as abortion, LGBTQ rights, perceived loss of moral values, in society, abandonment of religious beliefs, perceived decline in national defense against threats, and imagined threats associated with increased civil rights for minorities. None of these has anything to do with the economy.

The Republican party today appeals to voters by exploiting fear in various forms. By loudly focusing on these fears, they misdirect the people's attention away from the harsh reality of the failure of their policies on improving economic growth for all people, while rewarding the ultra-rich who donate huge sums of money to safeguard their stranglehold on their elected positions. In the long-term the Republicans always hurt our economy while the policies advanced by Democrats contribute to the long-term health and growth of our economy.

Yes, it was stolen. Vote counting is halted in 5 states with Trump comfortably ahead, the poll watchers are sent home, and then in Georgia, boxes were pulled out from under the tables and voila, Trump was magically behind when counting "resumed".

All 5 states, that isn't statistically possible. Add to that the numerous court cases that HAVE proven vote fraud occurred, and you have no leg to stand on.

You might be an idiot, but we sure aren't.

And please, no one is going to read your walls of text.

Make a point, and leave it.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Yes, it was stolen. Vote counting is halted in 5 states with Trump comfortably ahead, the poll watchers are sent home, and then in Georgia, boxes were pulled out from under the tables and voila, Trump was magically behind when counting "resumed".

All 5 states, that isn't statistically possible. Add to that the numerous court cases that HAVE proven vote fraud occurred, and you have no leg to stand on.

You might be an idiot, but we sure aren't.

And please, no one is going to read your walls of text.

Make a point, and leave it.

You won't but others will. You keep saying that Biden stole the election yet not one piece of evidence has held up in court, so you have nothing but your feelings and wishes, not reality. You're suffering from a delusion.

 

[TruthNotBS]

In 2009 the brown turd Obammy "inherited a recession", and for the next 3 years the turd was necessarily skyrocketing energy prices, which cause an even deeper recession. Then the moron Fed woman, Janet Yellow, started printing money like there was no tomorrow (QE Forever), so the uber wealthy could borrow the money at ZERO percent interest and invest it in their own stocks making 3 to 4 percent interest a year, thus the stock market went up but the savings of the normal Joe savings account went to shit. Oh yeah, the brown turd Obammy who was against Faggots getting married, once he got a 2nd term and couldnt lose the black vote, he then said "Yeah, let the queers get married, i dont need to worry about that shit" because i am a queer and my tranny partner Michael, really put one over on the blacks. Then when it looked like Hitlery was going to break the glass ceiling and be ordained king of America, the people decided that 8 years of tyranny was enough for them, and elected a guy who was going to help the people, not RULE the people. But alas, the Marxists/Demofascists planned for the next 4 years, releasing upon the US the Kung Flu, because then they could have mail in ballots in 2020, and after 2 am, suitcases of those ballots got stuffed for Joe, only, and by 7 am, the election was stolen for Joe Bidumb, and the people against suffer greatly.

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Obama kept inflation below 3% for 99% of the time he was in office and set the economy into consistent growth, in every single metric, as I showed in my earlier post. If one compares the state of the economy between Republican and Democrat presidential administrations, since the 1950s, Democrats have always scored higher in every single area.

Out of the eleven economic recessions that we've had since 1950, 10 of them were under Republican administrations. Republicans are horrible with the economy. They increase the national debt, and they spend more than anyone else, due to how much money they throw at the Military Industrial Complex and the DOD, not to speak of all of the bailouts and yearly subsidies that they give to companies.


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RANK	PARENT	SUBSIDY VALUE.	NUMBER OF AWARDS
1	Boeing	$15,388,954,161	952
2	Intel	$8,355,503,416	127
3	Ford Motor	$7,718,954,966	684
4	General Motors	$7,494,705,750	783
5	Micron Technology	$6,786,681,915	19
6	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
7	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
8	Amazon.com	$5,532,086,473	433
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
11	Volkswagen	$3,880,517,317	209
12	Sempra Energy	$3,828,022,782	51
13	NRG Energy	$3,405,383,876	264
14	Venture Global LNG	$3,285,883,566	6
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Nucor	$2,518,064,340	171
20	Walt Disney	$2,483,328,762	255
21	SkyWest	$2,418,120,282	981
22	Iberdrola	$2,380,537,196	109
23	Toyota	$2,304,226,689	237
24	Shell PLC	$2,210,816,246	131
25	Samsung	$2,178,196,443	83
26	Oracle	$2,167,890,528	90
27	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
28	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
29	Hyundai Motor	$2,048,610,159	17
30	Alphabet Inc.	$2,010,825,527	124
31	Brookfield Asset Management	$1,968,826,437	231
32	Meta Platforms Inc.	$1,963,051,772	61
33	Exxon Mobil	$1,906,554,975	227
34	Paramount Global	$1,845,796,313	332
35	Nissan	$1,842,814,165	98
36	Apple Inc.	$1,833,837,442	61
37	Comcast	$1,827,808,120	390
38	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,821,579,761	1,190
39	Summit Power	$1,783,593,414	6
40	General Electric	$1,737,066,990	994
41	Air Products & Chemicals	$1,726,928,435	87
42	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,705,497,604	129
43	Southern Company	$1,694,958,172	45
44	Energy Transfer	$1,680,763,748	155
45	JPMorgan Chase	$1,663,593,063	1,147
46	Vornado Realty Trust	$1,623,857,336	33
47	Duke Energy	$1,580,417,759	86
48	Wolfspeed Inc.	$1,560,125,015	63
49	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$1,532,854,012	3
50	IBM Corp.	$1,495,438,545	367
51	General Atomics	$1,476,687,046	111
52	OGE Energy	$1,427,570,182	15
53	SCS Energy	$1,419,011,796	5
54	Panasonic	$1,384,147,584	61
55	Microsoft	$1,363,926,937	111
56	Lockheed Martin	$1,334,594,360	319
57	Sagamore Development	$1,320,000,000	2
58	Northrop Grumman	$1,275,514,883	284
59	Corning Inc.	$1,262,885,869	389
60	Vingroup	$1,254,000,000	1
61	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
62	RTX Corporation	$1,168,240,858	779
63	Jefferies Financial Group	$1,144,919,260	17
64	SK Holdings	$1,081,550,283	9
65	Valero Energy	$1,053,812,692	207
66	Dow Inc.	$1,049,354,213	640
67	AES Corp.	$1,030,194,632	132
68	Hyannis Air Service Inc.	$1,018,366,272	417
69	Abengoa	$988,188,652	43
70	Exelon	$982,955,949	57
71	CF Industries	$982,271,715	129
72	Pyramid Companies	$966,050,097	91
73	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
74	Apollo Global Management	$896,345,186	586
75	LG	$881,567,511	87
76	Delta Air Lines	$878,093,932	17
77	Centene	$877,508,496	56
78	Bayer	$850,128,391	212
79	Honda	$849,832,301	92
80	Shin-Etsu Chemical	$828,683,936	106
81	Enterprise Products Partners	$826,988,371	89
82	SunEdison	$813,584,873	113
83	Goldman Sachs	$800,873,386	253
84	E.ON	$782,609,880	38
85	Archer Daniels Midland	$771,819,773	1,116
86	EDF-Electricite de France	$766,205,550	36
87	Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.	$764,594,690	217
88	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
89	Bank of America	$744,566,157	929
90	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
91	Related Companies	$687,200,000	1
92	Koch Industries	$673,998,188	495
93	Caithness Energy	$670,379,738	29
94	Wells Fargo	$653,074,103	540
95	Entergy	$638,345,893	234
96	OCI N.V.	$627,879,406	5
97	FedEx	$621,948,452	624
98	Chevron Phillips Chemical	$619,839,444	20
99	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1

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They are big spenders when it comes to war and giving money to the rich, while completely disregarding the needs of working-class people.

 

[Foxfyre]

MSN And i thought that the Marxists didnt like it when children were separated from their parents. Or is it, that the Marxists just dont like law abiding citizens who actually are parents and wont allow their underage children to mutilate themselves? Why did the left go bonkers when President Trump separated illegal immigrant children from the adults who brought them here(but may not have been the parents)?

'Like a kidnapping': Migrant family separated under Trump reunited after four years

Campaigners say the Trump-era policy has caused irreparable harm for migrant families years later.

www.bbc.com

So is this an attempt by the Marxists to legally kidnap children who live in Maine? Who ever is in charge, i do wonder bigly, is playing with fire, and they are going to be burned.


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Back in the day, and I am old enough to remember, children were taken away from parents when:
--They were physically abused or neglected
--The parents were in prison for a prolonged period or otherwise deemed unfit due to chronic addictions or other such situations
--The parents were unable to properly feed, clothe, house their children or were not getting schooling or necessary healthcare for the children.

Usually the separation was considered temporary to give the parents time to correct the problems. But if not, parental rights were permanently severed and the children could be adopted by others.

That is the way it should be and bad parenting was quite uncommon, even rare. And because it was considered honorable and worthy of respect to take care of your family, even poor parents found a way to do that.

And now they will take your kids if you don't allow them mutilating surgery, puberty blockers, and other dangerous hormones?

How much more screwed up and upside down can this country get?

 

[beagle9]

The so-called "woke" are just irrational, spoiled, upper-middle class or affluent liberals who have nothing to do with Marx. They've never read Marx, nor do they even care. Have you ever looked into who is funding all of this gender dysphoria? It's not Marxists, that's for sure. It's big money interests that are behind it, along with George Soros. Getting people hooked on hormones and expensive surgeries for life.

It's all unbelievable stuff, but whoops there it is, whoops there it is, whoops there it is.... Right in everybody's face today.

 

[TruthNotBS]

The transgender agenda has a lot more to do with capitalism than with Marxism. All of the organizations behind the LGBT+ community are being funded by people like George Soros and major companies looking to cash in on people's gender dysphoria. Getting people hooked on hormone treatments and surgeries from an early age creates a lucrative business opportunity for many companies, hence the push for more and more LGBT+ insanity.

Where are all of the LGBT+ pride parades in North Korea, Cuba or China? If you look at the few countries that identify openly as Marxists, you won't see too many rainbow flags being raised in public or people openly celebrating their homosexuality out in the open. True Marxists aren't too LGBT+ friendly.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Obama kept inflation below 3% for 99% of the time he was in office and set the economy into consistent growth, in every single metric, as I showed in my earlier post. If one compares the state of the economy between Republican and Democrat presidential administrations, since the 1950s, Democrats have always scored higher in every single area.

Out of the eleven economic recessions that we've had since 1950, 10 of them were under Republican administrations. Republicans are horrible with the economy. They increase the national debt, and they spend more than anyone else, due to how much money they throw at the Military Industrial Complex and the DOD, not to speak of all of the bailouts and yearly subsidies that they give to companies.


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RANK	PARENT	SUBSIDY VALUE.	NUMBER OF AWARDS
1	Boeing	$15,388,954,161	952
2	Intel	$8,355,503,416	127
3	Ford Motor	$7,718,954,966	684
4	General Motors	$7,494,705,750	783
5	Micron Technology	$6,786,681,915	19
6	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
7	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
8	Amazon.com	$5,532,086,473	433
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
11	Volkswagen	$3,880,517,317	209
12	Sempra Energy	$3,828,022,782	51
13	NRG Energy	$3,405,383,876	264
14	Venture Global LNG	$3,285,883,566	6
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Nucor	$2,518,064,340	171
20	Walt Disney	$2,483,328,762	255
21	SkyWest	$2,418,120,282	981
22	Iberdrola	$2,380,537,196	109
23	Toyota	$2,304,226,689	237
24	Shell PLC	$2,210,816,246	131
25	Samsung	$2,178,196,443	83
26	Oracle	$2,167,890,528	90
27	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
28	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
29	Hyundai Motor	$2,048,610,159	17
30	Alphabet Inc.	$2,010,825,527	124
31	Brookfield Asset Management	$1,968,826,437	231
32	Meta Platforms Inc.	$1,963,051,772	61
33	Exxon Mobil	$1,906,554,975	227
34	Paramount Global	$1,845,796,313	332
35	Nissan	$1,842,814,165	98
36	Apple Inc.	$1,833,837,442	61
37	Comcast	$1,827,808,120	390
38	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,821,579,761	1,190
39	Summit Power	$1,783,593,414	6
40	General Electric	$1,737,066,990	994
41	Air Products & Chemicals	$1,726,928,435	87
42	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,705,497,604	129
43	Southern Company	$1,694,958,172	45
44	Energy Transfer	$1,680,763,748	155
45	JPMorgan Chase	$1,663,593,063	1,147
46	Vornado Realty Trust	$1,623,857,336	33
47	Duke Energy	$1,580,417,759	86
48	Wolfspeed Inc.	$1,560,125,015	63
49	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$1,532,854,012	3
50	IBM Corp.	$1,495,438,545	367
51	General Atomics	$1,476,687,046	111
52	OGE Energy	$1,427,570,182	15
53	SCS Energy	$1,419,011,796	5
54	Panasonic	$1,384,147,584	61
55	Microsoft	$1,363,926,937	111
56	Lockheed Martin	$1,334,594,360	319
57	Sagamore Development	$1,320,000,000	2
58	Northrop Grumman	$1,275,514,883	284
59	Corning Inc.	$1,262,885,869	389
60	Vingroup	$1,254,000,000	1
61	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
62	RTX Corporation	$1,168,240,858	779
63	Jefferies Financial Group	$1,144,919,260	17
64	SK Holdings	$1,081,550,283	9
65	Valero Energy	$1,053,812,692	207
66	Dow Inc.	$1,049,354,213	640
67	AES Corp.	$1,030,194,632	132
68	Hyannis Air Service Inc.	$1,018,366,272	417
69	Abengoa	$988,188,652	43
70	Exelon	$982,955,949	57
71	CF Industries	$982,271,715	129
72	Pyramid Companies	$966,050,097	91
73	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
74	Apollo Global Management	$896,345,186	586
75	LG	$881,567,511	87
76	Delta Air Lines	$878,093,932	17
77	Centene	$877,508,496	56
78	Bayer	$850,128,391	212
79	Honda	$849,832,301	92
80	Shin-Etsu Chemical	$828,683,936	106
81	Enterprise Products Partners	$826,988,371	89
82	SunEdison	$813,584,873	113
83	Goldman Sachs	$800,873,386	253
84	E.ON	$782,609,880	38
85	Archer Daniels Midland	$771,819,773	1,116
86	EDF-Electricite de France	$766,205,550	36
87	Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.	$764,594,690	217
88	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
89	Bank of America	$744,566,157	929
90	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
91	Related Companies	$687,200,000	1
92	Koch Industries	$673,998,188	495
93	Caithness Energy	$670,379,738	29
94	Wells Fargo	$653,074,103	540
95	Entergy	$638,345,893	234
96	OCI N.V.	$627,879,406	5
97	FedEx	$621,948,452	624
98	Chevron Phillips Chemical	$619,839,444	20
99	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1

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They are big spenders when it comes to war and giving money to the rich, while completely disregarding the needs of working-class people.

Hillary Clinton boosted Boeing, and company returned favor

TIMES WATCHDOG: New emails provide a fuller look into the former secretary of state’s advocacy for Boeing. The company helped her reach a major foreign-policy goal, gave over $1 million to the Clinton Foundation and sponsored speeches that paid former...

www.seattletimes.com

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Back in the day, and I am old enough to remember, children were taken away from parents when:
--They were physically abused or neglected
--The parents were in prison for a prolonged period or otherwise deemed unfit due to chronic addictions or other such situations
--The parents were unable to properly feed, clothe, house their children or were not getting schooling or necessary healthcare for the children.

Usually the separation was considered temporary to give the parents time to correct the problems. But if not, parental rights were permanently severed and the children could be adopted by others.

That is the way it should be and bad parenting was quite uncommon, even rare. And because it was considered honorable and worthy of respect to take care of your family, even poor parents found a way to do that.

And now they will take your kids if you don't allow them mutilating surgery, puberty blockers, and other dangerous hormones?

How much more screwed up and upside down can this country get?

It takes a village?