MAGA and die hard Trump supporters..... The difference

[Billiejeens]

Change the subject for a cheap shot. How RINO of you.

You misspelled "reality"

 

[JanetTheGreat]

Oh Janet, that's poppycock.


I would say that it's more like the establishment essentially telling a significant voting block they don't matter.

They are more tribal than cult. They have limited their view. They no longer see everyone as part of the same collective. The other side is the enemy. That's a tribe.

Missing my point entirely. You are in a religious cult if your entire view on politics is to defend the ground a politician or leader walks on. Think for yourself.

It's their insane leadership. I know many dems who feel homeless because of the stupidity of people like Pelosi (may she be gone as she said in 2026).

The Dems are absolutely insane fanatics who have lost all sense of reality. They are religious fanatics who have created their own false religion - that being Climate Alarmism and Wokeism.

That's garbage. I have been saying for a while that we've known about them but we have no controls on them. They can be doctored and we'd never know. It's simply been way to long. And people don't care what they say in total. They only want their opponents names. So they scream and throw

What scandal and why is it so much bigger? What do you know that we don't?

Here you say that "We've known about them", and then immediately in the next paragraph you contradict yourself by saying there is no scandal. Pick one or the other. Either or. If you've done any observation of what is going on in the past 5 months you would have noticed that this conversation exists because Trump said the files are a hoax, and that we are "weaklings" for questioning him over it. I don't have to spill it all out for you if you can't see it for yourself. Go and look.

Unless you want Trump to have something to do with it.

No. I don't want Trump to have anything to do with it. I hope he is entirely innocent in all of this, and by releasing the full list of information of what the Federal Government has on these files he could show it. It isn't about what you, or I want in all of this. It is about the truth of what really happened, and if that "offends" me or you, so be it. I want the truth.

Oh contraire, it makes the files look less and less trustworthy.

I can't wait for the handwringing when they finally do come out. Why did this take so long???? "Uh....I had to reprimer the jeep".

I suspect that if they release these files, it will be heavily doctored. We the people aren't getting the truth from our government no matter who is in charge. They don't care about us.

 

[westwall]

Anyone who does not question who they support or what they follow is in a religious cult. Full stop. The idolization of politicians to the point of defending every single little thing they do in the United States has poisoned the well of political discussion. You can't have a conversation with religious cultists. They live in their own reality, they will not see reason no matter how hard you try. I fully agree that the Democrats aren't to be trusted, I oppose them on pretty much every single issue - however if someone is incapable of questioning Trump to the point that they believe the Epstein files are a hoax, they are truly lost.

The Epstein scandal is much bigger than Watergate. If Trump truly has nothing to do with Epstein, release the full files and information and be done with it. All this wishy washy going back and forth only makes him look more guilty.

The deep state theft of the 2020 election, their weaponization of the branches of government against their political enemies is far, far worse.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

The deep state theft of the 2020 election, their weaponization of the branches of government against their political enemies is far, far worse.

I agree with you - but what is to be done about it? What has been done, to prevent such things from happening again? Can you tell me?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Missing my point entirely. You are in a religious cult if your entire view on politics is to defend the ground a politician or leader walks on. Think for yourself.

I would agree that you need to think for yourself.

But tribalism is a bit different in my estimation.

The Dems are absolutely insane fanatics who have lost all sense of reality.

A lot of them I know are not on board with the stupid issues their leadership keeps at the top of the list.

They are religious fanatics who have created their own false religion - that being Climate Alarmism and Wokeism.

That does describe the hard left wackjobs...for sure.

Here you say that "We've known about them", and then immediately in the next paragraph you contradict yourself by saying there is no scandal.

I asked what scandal. What exactly is the scandal you are describing. Many have already convicted Trump with no evidence. What is the scandal you are talking about? Just looking for clarrification.

And yes, we've heard (maybe known is a bad word) about the files for a long long very long time.

Either or. If you've done any observation of what is going on in the past 5 months you would have noticed that this conversation exists because Trump said the files are a hoax, and that we are "weaklings" for questioning him over it. I don't have to spill it all out for you if you can't see it for yourself. Go and look.

As I said...I won't trust anything that is published. It's been way too long.

No. I don't want Trump to have anything to do with it.

I just wish we could learn the real truth. If Trump did something worthy of jail time....off he goes. But the evidence had better be so airtight, a clam would admire it.

I hope he is entirely innocent in all of this, and by releasing the full list of information of what the Federal Government has on these files he could show it.

I suspect there are things in there that might give the other side a reason to go insane.....circumstantial. But Trump has never been one to admit anything.....sooooooooo

I want the truth.

Agreed.....just don't think the files will give it to us.

I suspect that if they release these files, it will be heavily doctored.

So, just what are you hoping for? I think it will just create more distractions and a mess. The GOP will lose the house in 2026. Or I should say highly probable.....which means yet another impeachment trial if he so much as looked at one of the girls wrong. And I think that is all they need.....just a pretense of something.

I hope all those left wing bastards choke on their food in the congressional dining room at the same time. If I were a GOP, I'd let them write their last words out. I wouldn't be giving the Heimlich.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I agree with you - but what is to be done about it? What has been done, to prevent such things from happening again? Can you tell me?

Whatever it is, it will take twice as long to undo it as it took to get here. Which has been well over 20 years.

 

[westwall]

I agree with you - but what is to be done about it? What has been done, to prevent such things from happening again? Can you tell me?

Prosecute and destroy the deep state. If Trump doesn't the country is either finished, or a civil war breaks out.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

I would agree that you need to think for yourself.

But tribalism is a bit different in my estimation.

A lot of them I know are not on board with the stupid issues their leadership keeps at the top of the list.


That does describe the hard left wackjobs...for sure.

We are agreed on that, then. I don't have much to say further on that.

I asked what scandal. What exactly is the scandal you are describing. Many have already convicted Trump with no evidence. What is the scandal you are talking about? Just looking for clarrification.

Mainly what is really bad optics is saying that the whole entire thing is a Hoax. If it is a Hoax, come out with evidence that it is, and don't say your supporters are "Weaklings" and that you "Don't want their support" anymore.

And yes, we've heard (maybe known is a bad word) about the files for a long long very long time.


As I said...I won't trust anything that is published. It's been way too long.

I just wish we could learn the real truth. If Trump did something worthy of jail time....off he goes. But the evidence had better be so airtight, a clam would admire it.

I agree. I don't personally think Trump is guilty of the crimes that Epstein and his friends did. If there is evidence of it, it BETTER be good evidence and not just some hearsay.

I suspect there are things in there that might give the other side a reason to go insane.....circumstantial. But Trump has never been one to admit anything.....sooooooooo


Agreed.....just don't think the files will give it to us.

So, just what are you hoping for? I think it will just create more distractions and a mess. The GOP will lose the house in 2026. Or I should say highly probable.....which means yet another impeachment trial if he so much as looked at one of the girls wrong. And I think that is all they need.....just a pretense of something.

I hope all those left wing bastards choke on their food in the congressional dining room at the same time. If I were a GOP, I'd let them write their last words out. I wouldn't be giving the Heimlich.

What am I hoping for? Both parties to completely collapse. In my view, it is both Republicans and Democrats who were involved with Epstein. Both sides don't want it to come out because they were all in it. I don't trust either one of them. This two party system is a dog and pony show that does nothing to benefit the lives of Americans.

I truly think the situation with Epstein is darker than people like us can imagine. Satanic. Pure evil. The movie "Eyes Wide Shut" would be a good example of what I think it is. That both parties, and our entire system is ran by a Satanic Pedophile cult.

 

[MarathonMike]

There's definitely a group of influencers and politicians who are in various degrees of giving up on him, and it's for the reasons you mention. If enough influencers jump on board (and they definitely do influence), this will get more interesting.

They can see that he latched on to MAGA purely for his own use. But there may be enough energy to keep MAGA going without him if they get their way.

The mindless rubes who are constantly having to spin and make excuses for him? They'll take longer, as we'll see on this board.

So you see NOTHING that President Trump has done benefit America or the world? ANSWER THE QUESTION.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

Whatever it is, it will take twice as long to undo it as it took to get here. Which has been well over 20 years.

Prosecute and destroy the deep state. If Trump doesn't the country is either finished, or a civil war breaks out.

I admit, it is tiring that things are progressing slowly. It is immensely frustrating. I really don't want it to take another 50-60 years to undo the damage that has been caused to this country.

 

[jknowgood]

MAGA is one thing. And the DHTS (die hard Trump supporters) are another.

MAGA voted for massive reductions in spending. End the wars. DOGE. Stopping the democrats agenda. Releasing the Epstein list/files/evidence. We voted for a restoration of our constitutional republic. Abolishing the Dept. of Ed. Draining the swamp. Securing the borders.
DHTS voted for revenge on the democrats. And that's pretty much it. Nobody But Trump.

What we've gotten is more socialism. A never ending war in Ukraine. College tuition funding. Increased spending. 100% funding of the Dept. of Ed. & funding universities. Foreign aid to just about any country with it's hand out. H1-B visa's, by the hundreds of thousands, because Trump says the USA doesn't have talent.


Imagine Trump campaign on what he's done so far:
Spend more than Biden
Attack fiscal conservatives
Keep funding Ukraine and Israel
Continue with foreign aid to every country with their hand out
Get rid of Elon when Elon opposed the MASSIVE BBB
Take ownership of private companies.
Not go after Fauci
Not release the Epstein evidence

Would you still have voted for him if that's what he campaign on?

Let's see, he just stopped Democrats from adding 1.5 trillion dollars to our debt. Trump is the man!

 

[Doc7505]

The government buying taking ownership, even a % of ownership of a private company is socialism. And then there's the funding off all those universities. I'm not sure exactly what kind of "ism" that is. But it's "wrong-ism." And something that only the left should support.
And then there's his constant funding of the Dept. of Ed.

Trump seems to be the one sucking progressive dick, dood.

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I agree that Universities don't need funding and Education in general should not be directed by the Federal gov't.
Other than that I think your Full of crap.

 

[yidnar]

There's definitely a group of influencers and politicians who are in various degrees of giving up on him, and it's for the reasons you mention. If enough influencers jump on board (and they definitely do influence), this will get more interesting.

They can see that he latched on to MAGA purely for his own use. But there may be enough energy to keep MAGA going without him if they get their way.

The mindless rubes who are constantly having to spin and make excuses for him? They'll take longer, as we'll see on this board.

get help ...

 

[YoursTruly]

Yes.

He'd have to be a lot worse than what you described for me to consider a DEI moron and her service animal for president. In fact, he'd have to be satan, himself.

That's how bad she was.

Please spare me (dblack) the lesser of two evils is still evil.

We are getting screwed no matter who we vote for. In once case, they use lube. In the other, we get AIDS.

Y'all keep breaking this down to two options. Trump or Harris. But the GOP had 4 years to come up with a better candidate. And the best y'all could do was a rehashed life long democrat-like republican? With a horrible 1st term.

Geezus, if you take your car to a mechanic, and he screws it up, you don't take it back to him.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Mainly what is really bad optics is saying that the whole entire thing is a Hoax. If it is a Hoax, come out with evidence that it is, and don't say your supporters are "Weaklings" and that you "Don't want their support" anymore.

You'll find I've never been a fan of Trump's prattlings. I have stated many times, we'd be better of if he'd shut his mouth.

If there is evidence of it, it BETTER be good evidence and not just some hearsay.

Water tight....like a clam's butt evidence. That is what concerns me. If there is just a hint or to many things where someone with a sick imagination like some of the left seem to demonstrate, it will initiate more distractions and calls for impeachment that will ultimately fail.

What am I hoping for? Both parties to completely collapse. In my view, it is both Republicans and Democrats who were involved with Epstein. Both sides don't want it to come out because they were all in it. I don't trust either one of them. This two party system is a dog and pony show that does nothing to benefit the lives of Americans.

Collapse of the system? That might just be the end of the Republic.

I truly think the situation with Epstein is darker than people like us can imagine. Satanic. Pure evil. The movie "Eyes Wide Shut" would be a good example of what I think it is. That both parties, and our entire system is ran by a Satanic Pedophile cult.

Wow......while I think politics is pretty bad at the federal level, I am not prepared to go that far.

Stay tuned........

 

[HikerGuy83]

Y'all keep breaking this down to two options. Trump or Harris. But the GOP had 4 years to come up with a better candidate. And the best y'all could do was a rehashed life long democrat-like republican? With a horrible 1st term.

Geezus, if you take your car to a mechanic, and he screws it up, you don't take it back to him.

While we can argue his merits or lack of them.....his following pretty much made sure he was in for 24. I was hoping for better. Truth is.....we fielded a weak group relative to the power Trump seemed to wield.

Hoping 28 will have a little more variety. I am very concerned that Trumps influence will make Vance an automatic.

Don't get me wrong, I live Vance. But I don't want some butthead up at the front calling everyone who opposes him evil.

 

[HikerGuy83]

get help ...

Lots of help

 

[HikerGuy83]

I admit, it is tiring that things are progressing slowly. It is immensely frustrating. I really don't want it to take another 50-60 years to undo the damage that has been caused to this country.

It's a constant slog. People need to realize that.

Even policies that being implemented at the local level were started and moved forward 20 years ago. You see this with the 15 minute cities. They didn't just happen.

In the federal world.....it's an eternity.

So dig in and be prepared. But have some fun along the way.

 

[HikerGuy83]

So you see NOTHING that President Trump has done benefit America or the world? ANSWER THE QUESTION.

Mac1958 straightforwardly answering a question???



C'mon, I thought you were serious.

 

[YoursTruly]

Which would you rather;

1) One who is ironclad locked into an ideology no matter what changing facts or changing circumstances would suggest to consider need for making a change therefore in one-self's positions, agendas and actions ....

OR

2) One who is able to see the changes of circumstances and conditions AND is willing to change mind, agenda, and goals to adjust to the changes of circumstances now in play ....

????

With Clinton's, Obama's, Biden's, Harris's, Etc. we got rigid lockstep Party demagogues unable to see the shifting situations and conditions; nor able to reset their sails accordingly, especially when such would ruin their personal gain agendas.

With Trump we have a negotiator and deal maker who is able to gauge the current conditions and probable trends and able to reset sails to engage the changing weather gauge to best advantage of our nation.

Persons with intelligence and real world knowledge will not find this a tough equation to solve.

BS. With Trump we got a life long democrat who only identifies as a deal making Republican. If he was that great at deal making, the Ukraine war would've ended before he took office. There never would've been a tariff war with any country. Mexico would've already gone after their cartels. And a long laundry list of other things. Like having to pay countries to bring their own illegals back. Like a billion $$$ so far, for all those countries the illegals have been sent home to.

The RNC is just as much in lock step behind Trump as the DNC ever was.

What I'd rather have is a fiscal and constitutional conservative for president. And 60% of the congress like Thomas Massie and Justin Amash. But I'm not dumb enough to think the RNC/GOP would ever back a honest to goodness conservative. They're more the Mitt Romney/Donald Trump types. But it would be extremely nice to see even half the Trump supporters calling him out on his left leaning/socialist BS.

FFS, throughout his 1st term and almost a year into this one, he's only vetoed 1 spending bill. He's lied about everything under the sun. Especially about his accomplishment. And the Trump loyalist don't even care.

Trump maybe good at real estate and selling BS. But he sucks at government. And he really sucks at being a Republican.