MAGA and die hard Trump supporters..... The difference

[YoursTruly]

What am I hoping for? Both parties to completely collapse. In my view, it is both Republicans and Democrats who were involved with Epstein. Both sides don't want it to come out because they were all in it. I don't trust either one of them. This two party system is a dog and pony show that does nothing to benefit the lives of Americans.

I truly think the situation with Epstein is darker than people like us can imagine. Satanic. Pure evil. The movie "Eyes Wide Shut" would be a good example of what I think it is. That both parties, and our entire system is ran by a Satanic Pedophile cult.

Wanna see the R & D's publicly protect each other? Just watch if/when an independent starts rising in the polls and gaining traction.
Both sides will join forces and dominate the media with "It's a wasted vote. Voting for that guy is only going to get the other side elected." And blah blah blah blah

I've seen that a couple of times in my life.

 

[YoursTruly]

While we can argue his merits or lack of them.....his following pretty much made sure he was in for 24. I was hoping for better. Truth is.....we fielded a weak group relative to the power Trump seemed to wield.

Hoping 28 will have a little more variety. I am very concerned that Trumps influence will make Vance an automatic.

Don't get me wrong, I live Vance. But I don't want some butthead up at the front calling everyone who opposes him evil.

I was 95% behind DeSantis. He had a solid track record and a long winning streak. And a very conservative executive record.
Then I watched the Trump tribe try to tie him in with the Bush & Carl Rove. Watch them make out like he was pro vax, pro fauci and pro shut down during covid. I watched them use every trick in the book.
And they were successful.
But in the end, we all lost. Even those Trump loyalist who just don't know they lost.

 

[leftwinger]

MAGA is one thing. And the DHTS (die hard Trump supporters) are another.

MAGA voted for massive reductions in spending. End the wars. DOGE. Stopping the democrats agenda. Releasing the Epstein list/files/evidence. We voted for a restoration of our constitutional republic. Abolishing the Dept. of Ed. Draining the swamp. Securing the borders.
DHTS voted for revenge on the democrats. And that's pretty much it. Nobody But Trump.

What we've gotten is more socialism. A never ending war in Ukraine. College tuition funding. Increased spending. 100% funding of the Dept. of Ed. & funding universities. Foreign aid to just about any country with it's hand out. H1-B visa's, by the hundreds of thousands, because Trump says the USA doesn't have talent.


Imagine Trump campaign on what he's done so far:
Spend more than Biden
Attack fiscal conservatives
Keep funding Ukraine and Israel
Continue with foreign aid to every country with their hand out
Get rid of Elon when Elon opposed the MASSIVE BBB
Take ownership of private companies.
Not go after Fauci
Not release the Epstein evidence

Would you still have voted for him if that's what he campaign on?

Your TDS always gets you in the end. Nobody is fooled by you Stain-light.

 

[YoursTruly]

Prosecute and destroy the deep state. If Trump doesn't the country is either finished, or a civil war breaks out.

Trump is King Toad in the swamp. He replaced the cottonmouths for water moccasins. The alligators for crocodiles.
He's a swamp creature himself. He couldn't beat'm. So he joined them.

 

[YoursTruly]

Your TDS always gets you in the end. Nobody is fooled by you Stain-light.

The TDS definition has been explained to you a few times now. And like a good Trump loyalist, you're still using it. (wrong).

 

[HikerGuy83]

I was 95% behind DeSantis. He had a solid track record and a long winning streak. And a very conservative executive record.
Then I watched the Trump tribe try to tie him in with the Bush & Carl Rove. Watch them make out like he was pro vax, pro fauci and pro shut down during covid. I watched them use every trick in the book.
And they were successful.
But in the end, we all lost. Even those Trump loyalist who just don't know they lost.

I know several like you.

That is the nature of politics.

DeSantis needed to be building long before he started out.

Because this isn't fun and games. There is a lot of money and much much more potential money out there.

And people don't let go of that lightly.

 

[YoursTruly]

I know several like you.

That is the nature of politics.

DeSantis needed to be building long before he started out.

Because this isn't fun and games. There is a lot of money and much much more potential money out there.

And people don't let go of that lightly.

DeSantis had congressional experience. He had executive experience. Military experience. He was very qualified.
And he had a much better track record than Trump. Politically and morally.
And most importantly, he knows how to get his legislature behind him. And it wasn't this "attack anyone who's not loyal" BS that Trump does. (to actual conservatives)

95% of Trumps good record, were embellishments.

The point is, DeSantis wasn't by any means weak. Well, his only real weakness was his lack of charisma. Which in reality, once the election is over, doesn't mean squat. What get's accomplished is all that matter then.

 

[westwall]

Trump is King Toad in the swamp. He replaced the cottonmouths for water moccasins. The alligators for crocodiles.
He's a swamp creature himself. He couldn't beat'm. So he joined them.

You're full of shit. The deep state are unelected bureaucrats, and their politician partners. The political class as I call them.

Loyal only to themselves, and not this country.

 

[westwall]

I admit, it is tiring that things are progressing slowly. It is immensely frustrating. I really don't want it to take another 50-60 years to undo the damage that has been caused to this country.

We don't have that long.

 

[YoursTruly]

You're full of shit. The deep state are unelected bureaucrats, and their politician partners. The political class as I call them.

Loyal only to themselves, and not this country.

We know what the deep state is. That doesn't change anything about what I said.

 

[westwall]

We know what the deep state is. That doesn't change anything about what I said.

You are a propagandist for the deep state.

You fool no one.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

 

[HikerGuy83]

The point is, DeSantis wasn't by any means weak.

In the technical sense.

Well, his only real weakness was his lack of charisma.

Boom.

Which in reality, once the election is over, doesn't mean squat. What get's accomplished is all that matter then.

Totally agree.....but that is the way things work. And if you don't have charisma, you have to build a huge base in advance. Desantis never got much beyond the borders of Florida and was an unknown to many.

I am not degrading him. I am simply saying....this is why so much power at the hands of the feds is a bad things.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

Wanna see the R & D's publicly protect each other? Just watch if/when an independent starts rising in the polls and gaining traction.
Both sides will join forces and dominate the media with "It's a wasted vote. Voting for that guy is only going to get the other side elected." And blah blah blah blah

I've seen that a couple of times in my life.

Really there aren't many Republicans I could say I would honestly want to vote for because most of them don't have that much integrity. Would I ever vote Democrat? Absolutely not. I don't like this "If you don't vote for my candidate, you must be a liberal!" kind of mentality.

It is always this lesser than two evils, and not "I genuinely like this guy".

 

[westwall]

Really there aren't many Republicans I could say I would honestly want to vote for because most of them don't have that much integrity. Would I ever vote Democrat? Absolutely not. I don't like this "If you don't vote for my candidate, you must be a liberal!" kind of mentality.

It is always this lesser than two evils, and not "I genuinely like this guy".

That's by design. Trump's campaign finally woke me up to the existence of the political class. Loyal only to themselves.

 

[leftwinger]

Really there aren't many Republicans I could say I would honestly want to vote for because most of them don't have that much integrity. Would I ever vote Democrat? Absolutely not. I don't like this "If you don't vote for my candidate, you must be a liberal!" kind of mentality.

It is always this lesser than two evils, and not "I genuinely like this guy".

It is what it is (teetering on complete collapse in 2024). 20 million more on the dole.

Thank God Trump is willing. He's the only one fast enough to get the ship righted as much as possible.

Get on board or get out. It's an urgent crisis fighting this takeover. Take you pompous TDS and shove it, you Smart butt ungrateful punks.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

It is what it is (teetering on complete collapse in 2024). 20 million more on the dole.

Thank God Trump is willing. He's the only one fast enough to get the ship righted as much as possible.

Get on board or get out. It's an urgent crisis fighting this takeover. Take you pompous TDS and shove it, you Smart butt ungrateful punks.

There it is. Anything you disagree with is "TDS". What a silly mindset to have, to be that incapable of having a discussion without bringing out that over-used trope.

Calling Trump a "Nazi" is TDS, saying he is racist is TDS. Simply disagreeing with him on something is not TDS.

 

[leftwinger]

There it is. Anything you disagree with is "TDS". What a silly mindset to have, to be that incapable of having a discussion without bringing out that over-used trope.

Calling Trump a "Nazi" is TDS, saying he is racist is TDS. Simply disagreeing with him on something is not TDS.

No time to keep fooling with you people. Do you want the USA saved with a return to law and order or not? Simple, get on board and quit sniping at our best hope.

Or move yor cart-pulling dumb OXYEN butt to NYC paying $3000 rent with no shower. They'd love to have you.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

No time to keep fooling with you people. Do you want the USA saved with a return to law and order or not? Simple get on board and quit sniping at our best hope.

Or move yor car-pulling dumb biutt to NYC paying $3000 rent with no shower. They'd love to have you.

Believe me, my view on Mamdani is much the same as yours. I don't like him. He's a Communist. He'll run NYC into the ground, which it already is a shithole.

My problem with you is that you seemingly take anything that is remotely outside of your world view and immediately assume it is coming from a liberal, or your caricature of them.

 

[leftwinger]

Believe me, my view on Mamdani is much the same as yours. I don't like him. He's a Communist. He'll run NYC into the ground, which it already is a shithole.

My problem with you is that you seemingly take anything that is remotely outside of your world view and immediately assume it is coming from a liberal, or your caricature of them.

The war started 04NOV2020. Get on board with the good side or sit down and SHUP. Plain and simple.