Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom FROM Religion Foundation Complaint

[Lysistrata]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

Why not? First, the separation of church and state must be observed strictly.

Secondly, these prayers are sectarian, preferring one religion and one denomination over another. Sectarianism is a deep problem within just about every one of the world's religions. Government should have no part in this. Even within the faith of Christianity, there are deep divisions. There always have been. Look how splintered people who are Christians are.

There are people right here on USMB who say that people who do not agree with their sect don't believe in a Supreme Being, are "atheist," (which there is nothing wrong with being in the U.S.), or who say that they don't believe in another person's idea of a Supreme Being are terrible, evil people. There was one guy just this morning who said that people who support Democratic candidates have abandoned "God." This is total horseshit; sectarian slop.

 

[Lysistrata]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

Why not? First, the separation of church and state must be observed strictly.

Secondly, these prayers are sectarian, preferring one religion and one denomination over another. Sectarianism is a deep problem within just about every one of the world's religions. Government should have no part in this. Even within the faith of Christianity, there are deep divisions. There always have been. Look how splintered people who are Christians are.

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

Bullshit! Freedom from religion is the other side of the same coin. The LPD is a governmental organization as, such has no business in promoting religion of any kind. It is imposing religion on people who may believe differently or not believe at all. That undermines and flies in the face of the concept of freedom of religion because if YOUR religion is imposed on me....I do not have my own freedom of religion. You people seem to think that your freedom is more valuable than the freedom of others who believe differently.

Unless they compel you to attend, they're not imposing anything on you.

But governmental agencies should not be involved in religious services at all, as they are not supposed to be involved in any sort of establishment of the religion of any sect whatsoever. There is nothing stopping an individual officer from attending any religious service of his or her choice.

 

[Auld Phart]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

That is also unconstitutional

You get right on getting it stopped.

 

[easyt65]

But governmental agencies should not be involved in religious services at all, as they are not supposed to be involved in any sort of establishment of the religion of any sect whatsoever. There is nothing stopping an individual officer from attending any religious service of his or her choice.

The govt should not / can not restrict, control, dictate religion or religious services.

No where does it say that members of a govt agency can not get together by choice and pray.

If it offends you so what? Don't go.

'i' am not trying to control you or force you to attend. Don't try to take MY right to pray.

 

[Auld Phart]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

Why not? First, the separation of church and state must be observed strictly.

Secondly, these prayers are sectarian, preferring one religion and one denomination over another. Sectarianism is a deep problem within just about every one of the world's religions. Government should have no part in this. Even within the faith of Christianity, there are deep divisions. There always have been. Look how splintered people who are Christians are.

There are people right here on USMB who say that people who do not agree with their sect don't believe in a Supreme Being, are "atheist," (which there is nothing wrong with being in the U.S.), or who say that they don't believe in another person's idea of a Supreme Being are terrible, evil people. There was one guy just this morning who said that people who support Democratic candidates have abandoned "God." This is total horseshit; sectarian slop.

Why not? First, the separation of church and state must be observed strictly.

Please point out the section of the Constitution that has Separation of Church and State in it.

 

[Meister]

They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

That is also unconstitutional

No, no it's not, you just happen to be wrong.

Because you say so? Appeal to ignorance logical fallacy.

No, because they can and do open each session in prayer. if it was unconstitutional, they wouldn't.
It's not that hard unless your mental facilities are lacking.

 

[Lysistrata]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

Why not? First, the separation of church and state must be observed strictly.

Secondly, these prayers are sectarian, preferring one religion and one denomination over another. Sectarianism is a deep problem within just about every one of the world's religions. Government should have no part in this. Even within the faith of Christianity, there are deep divisions. There always have been. Look how splintered people who are Christians are.

There are people right here on USMB who say that people who do not agree with their sect don't believe in a Supreme Being, are "atheist," (which there is nothing wrong with being in the U.S.), or who say that they don't believe in another person's idea of a Supreme Being are terrible, evil people. There was one guy just this morning who said that people who support Democratic candidates have abandoned "God." This is total horseshit; sectarian slop.

Why not? First, the separation of church and state must be observed strictly.

Please point out the section of the Constitution that has Separation of Church and State in it.

Longstanding doctrine, starting with people like Jefferson. BTW: what "church" do you want this to be? There are thousands within Christianity alone, not counting other non-Christian faiths? How about Episcopalian? The Archbishop of Canterbury would welcome you, I'm sure.

 

[easyt65]

'snowflakes'
A term DEMOCRATS used to call other DEMOCRATS who were easily offended ... Like being offended that several police officers hold a prayer that they were never going to attend anyway, but just hearing about it was enough to send them screaming to have it stopped ... CONTROL of others lives, compliance with what THEY believe!

Good grief.

 

[easyt65]

They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

Why not? First, the separation of church and state must be observed strictly.

Secondly, these prayers are sectarian, preferring one religion and one denomination over another. Sectarianism is a deep problem within just about every one of the world's religions. Government should have no part in this. Even within the faith of Christianity, there are deep divisions. There always have been. Look how splintered people who are Christians are.

There are people right here on USMB who say that people who do not agree with their sect don't believe in a Supreme Being, are "atheist," (which there is nothing wrong with being in the U.S.), or who say that they don't believe in another person's idea of a Supreme Being are terrible, evil people. There was one guy just this morning who said that people who support Democratic candidates have abandoned "God." This is total horseshit; sectarian slop.

Why not? First, the separation of church and state must be observed strictly.

Please point out the section of the Constitution that has Separation of Church and State in it.

Longstanding doctrine, starting with people like Jefferson. BTW: what "church" do you want this to be? There are thousands within Christianity alone, not counting other non-Christian faiths? How about Episcopalian? The Archbishop of Canterbury would welcome you, I'm sure.

Separation of churc and state is liberal-created BS not found in the Constitution...

And you do know that people can pray outside of churches, that there are non-denominational prayers, and that people of different faiths / churches often pray together, right?!

 

[Auld Phart]

They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

Why not? First, the separation of church and state must be observed strictly.

Secondly, these prayers are sectarian, preferring one religion and one denomination over another. Sectarianism is a deep problem within just about every one of the world's religions. Government should have no part in this. Even within the faith of Christianity, there are deep divisions. There always have been. Look how splintered people who are Christians are.

There are people right here on USMB who say that people who do not agree with their sect don't believe in a Supreme Being, are "atheist," (which there is nothing wrong with being in the U.S.), or who say that they don't believe in another person's idea of a Supreme Being are terrible, evil people. There was one guy just this morning who said that people who support Democratic candidates have abandoned "God." This is total horseshit; sectarian slop.

Why not? First, the separation of church and state must be observed strictly.

Please point out the section of the Constitution that has Separation of Church and State in it.

Longstanding doctrine, starting with people like Jefferson. BTW: what "church" do you want this to be? There are thousands within Christianity alone, not counting other non-Christian faiths? How about Episcopalian? The Archbishop of Canterbury would welcome you, I'm sure.

Longstanding doctrine, starting with people like Jefferson.

Doctrine?

When did it become 'doctrine'?

His comment about Separation of Church and State was in the middle of a private letter to the Danbury Baptists.

Not an edict,
Not an Executive Order.

a comment.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

Bullshit! Freedom from religion is the other side of the same coin. The LPD is a governmental organization as, such has no business in promoting religion of any kind. It is imposing religion on people who may believe differently or not believe at all. That undermines and flies in the face of the concept of freedom of religion because if YOUR religion is imposed on me....I do not have my own freedom of religion. You people seem to think that your freedom is more valuable than the freedom of others who believe differently.

Unless they compel you to attend, they're not imposing anything on you.

More bullshit!

Case in point. I want to attend a city council meeting to address an issue of concern to me. In order to do so I have to be subjected to a Christian prayer that alienates me and makes me uncomfortable. That is an imposition on me.

Another scenario….School prayer. Some students are not Christian and some are atheists . They cannot choose to not be there

Laws are often influenced by religion. Lets take Sunday blue laws which were prevalent in the past and are still on the books in places. If I want to shop on Sunday and can't, that is an imposition of religion on me. Maybe my Sabbath is Saturday and I only have time to Shop on the Weekend. I am screwed.

Then there are the issues of birth control, and same sex marriage. Prohibitions on those practices have been largely driven by the Christian religion, buy have impacted everyone, regardless of their beliefs.

Get the point?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

But governmental agencies should not be involved in religious services at all, as they are not supposed to be involved in any sort of establishment of the religion of any sect whatsoever. There is nothing stopping an individual officer from attending any religious service of his or her choice.

The govt should not / can not restrict, control, dictate religion or religious services.

No where does it say that members of a govt agency can not get together by choice and pray.

If it offends you so what? Don't go.

'i' am not trying to control you or force you to attend. Don't try to take MY right to pray.

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion...." which has been held to mean that the government may take no action or engage in any practice that promotes religion.

 

[Auld Phart]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

Bullshit! Freedom from religion is the other side of the same coin. The LPD is a governmental organization as, such has no business in promoting religion of any kind. It is imposing religion on people who may believe differently or not believe at all. That undermines and flies in the face of the concept of freedom of religion because if YOUR religion is imposed on me....I do not have my own freedom of religion. You people seem to think that your freedom is more valuable than the freedom of others who believe differently.

Unless they compel you to attend, they're not imposing anything on you.

More bullshit!

Case in point. I want to attend a city council meeting to address an issue of concern to me. In order to do so I have to be subjected to a Christian prayer that alienates me and makes me uncomfortable. That is an imposition on me.

Another scenario….School prayer. Some students are not Christian and some are atheists . They cannot choose to not be there

Laws are often influenced by religion. Lets take Sunday blue laws which were prevalent in the past and are still on the books in places. If I want to shop on Sunday and can't, that is an imposition of religion on me. Maybe my Sabbath is Saturday and I only have time to Shop on the Weekend. I am screwed.

Then there are the issues of birth control, and same sex marriage. Prohibitions on those practices have been largely driven by the Christian religion, buy have impacted everyone, regardless of their beliefs.

Get the point?

Yup


you're scared shitless of an invisible entity you don't believe in.

You believe that words can hurt you.

(I only worry about sticks and stones)

 

[Auld Phart]

But governmental agencies should not be involved in religious services at all, as they are not supposed to be involved in any sort of establishment of the religion of any sect whatsoever. There is nothing stopping an individual officer from attending any religious service of his or her choice.

The govt should not / can not restrict, control, dictate religion or religious services.

No where does it say that members of a govt agency can not get together by choice and pray.

If it offends you so what? Don't go.

'i' am not trying to control you or force you to attend. Don't try to take MY right to pray.

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion...." which has been held to mean that the government may take no action or engage in any practice that promotes religion.

which has been held to mean that the government may take no action or engage in any practice that promotes religion.

no, to anyone that can read, it means Congress will not enforce a state religion.


(but thanks anyway)

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

Why not? First, the separation of church and state must be observed strictly.

Secondly, these prayers are sectarian, preferring one religion and one denomination over another. Sectarianism is a deep problem within just about every one of the world's religions. Government should have no part in this. Even within the faith of Christianity, there are deep divisions. There always have been. Look how splintered people who are Christians are.

There are people right here on USMB who say that people who do not agree with their sect don't believe in a Supreme Being, are "atheist," (which there is nothing wrong with being in the U.S.), or who say that they don't believe in another person's idea of a Supreme Being are terrible, evil people. There was one guy just this morning who said that people who support Democratic candidates have abandoned "God." This is total horseshit; sectarian slop.

Why not? First, the separation of church and state must be observed strictly.

Please point out the section of the Constitution that has Separation of Church and State in it.

Give us a break with that horseshit question. We all know that those words are not in the Constitution. But we also know what the Constitution actually says and what it has been held to mean. The government may not establish a state religion or promote the interests on one religion over another AND may not place the interests of religion over secular law. Period.!

Here are 5 founding fathers whose skepticism about Christianity would make them unelectable today

 

[easyt65]

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion...."

Hey deceitful snowflake, why us it that you do not want to post the ENTIRE thing?


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

Bwuhahaha

 

[Auld Phart]

They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

Why not? First, the separation of church and state must be observed strictly.

Secondly, these prayers are sectarian, preferring one religion and one denomination over another. Sectarianism is a deep problem within just about every one of the world's religions. Government should have no part in this. Even within the faith of Christianity, there are deep divisions. There always have been. Look how splintered people who are Christians are.

There are people right here on USMB who say that people who do not agree with their sect don't believe in a Supreme Being, are "atheist," (which there is nothing wrong with being in the U.S.), or who say that they don't believe in another person's idea of a Supreme Being are terrible, evil people. There was one guy just this morning who said that people who support Democratic candidates have abandoned "God." This is total horseshit; sectarian slop.

Why not? First, the separation of church and state must be observed strictly.

Please point out the section of the Constitution that has Separation of Church and State in it.

Give us a break with that horseshit question. We all know that those words are not in the Constitution. But we also know what the Constitution actually says and what it has been held to mean. The government may not establish a state religion or promote the interests on one religion over another AND may not place the interests of religion over secular law. Period.!

Here are 5 founding fathers whose skepticism about Christianity would make them unelectable today

We all know that those words are not in the Constitution

good,

now, tell your friends that believe they are that they are wrong.

But we also know what the Constitution actually says

Yes we do...

what it has been held to mean.

not really.

too many stopped reading, and started believing all religion must be banished.

The FF would be VERY upset about that.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

Bullshit! Freedom from religion is the other side of the same coin. The LPD is a governmental organization as, such has no business in promoting religion of any kind. It is imposing religion on people who may believe differently or not believe at all. That undermines and flies in the face of the concept of freedom of religion because if YOUR religion is imposed on me....I do not have my own freedom of religion. You people seem to think that your freedom is more valuable than the freedom of others who believe differently.

Unless they compel you to attend, they're not imposing anything on you.

More bullshit!

Case in point. I want to attend a city council meeting to address an issue of concern to me. In order to do so I have to be subjected to a Christian prayer that alienates me and makes me uncomfortable. That is an imposition on me.

Another scenario….School prayer. Some students are not Christian and some are atheists . They cannot choose to not be there

Laws are often influenced by religion. Lets take Sunday blue laws which were prevalent in the past and are still on the books in places. If I want to shop on Sunday and can't, that is an imposition of religion on me. Maybe my Sabbath is Saturday and I only have time to Shop on the Weekend. I am screwed.

Then there are the issues of birth control, and same sex marriage. Prohibitions on those practices have been largely driven by the Christian religion, buy have impacted everyone, regardless of their beliefs.

Get the point?

Yup


you're scared shitless of an invisible entity you don't believe in.

You believe that words can hurt you.

(I only worry about sticks and stones)

I believe that you are the one who is scared shitless of an invisible entity . Why don't you try to address the actual real life issues that I presented?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

Why not? First, the separation of church and state must be observed strictly.

Secondly, these prayers are sectarian, preferring one religion and one denomination over another. Sectarianism is a deep problem within just about every one of the world's religions. Government should have no part in this. Even within the faith of Christianity, there are deep divisions. There always have been. Look how splintered people who are Christians are.

There are people right here on USMB who say that people who do not agree with their sect don't believe in a Supreme Being, are "atheist," (which there is nothing wrong with being in the U.S.), or who say that they don't believe in another person's idea of a Supreme Being are terrible, evil people. There was one guy just this morning who said that people who support Democratic candidates have abandoned "God." This is total horseshit; sectarian slop.

Why not? First, the separation of church and state must be observed strictly.

Please point out the section of the Constitution that has Separation of Church and State in it.

Give us a break with that horseshit question. We all know that those words are not in the Constitution. But we also know what the Constitution actually says and what it has been held to mean. The government may not establish a state religion or promote the interests on one religion over another AND may not place the interests of religion over secular law. Period.!

Here are 5 founding fathers whose skepticism about Christianity would make them unelectable today

We all know that those words are not in the Constitution

good,

now, tell your friends that believe they are that they are wrong.

But we also know what the Constitution actually says

Yes we do...

what it has been held to mean.

not really.

too many stopped reading, and started believing all religion must be banished.

The FF would be VERY upset about that.

More hyperbolic bullshit! No body is saying that religion should be banned. That is a dishonest and desperate effort to advance a theocratic agenda and undermine the first amendment with fear.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion...."

Hey deceitful snowflake, why us it that you do not want to post the ENTIRE thing?


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

Bwuhahaha

That's right. And it includes my free exercise as well as yours. Your religion cannot prohibit me from my right to free exercise, including my right to NOT BE SUBJECTED to the tenants of your religion that conflicts with my beliefs or lack there of, as per the real life examples that I gave above, that you people can't actually deal with.