Looks like Americans need to learn about Trump the hard way

[Robert W]

Trump will declare a "National Emergency" to address the border to justify his culling of the American people, namely those with brown skin. Trump is an incompetent, stupid jerkoff who doesn't have enough brains, the attention span or even the will to enact policies addressing the intracacies of immigration. So, he'll declare a NE to keep the MAGA herd all riled up with that bright shiny object called immigrants, create a disaster then blame Dems.

Wash repeat for the next four years.

Explain your love affair for Illegal aliens??

 

[Robert W]

Trump will force Ukraine to take a peace deal so we stop burning cash.
If the EU wants to keep fighting they can burn their Euros.

Trump needs to force Russia to give back all it plundered from Ukraine.

 

[Robert W]

Your comment doesn't rise above 'you're wrong'. 'You're wrong' comments without a serious supporting argument that is substantive, is incompetent.

FYI, 'TDS' is a thought-terminating cliche. TTCs are implanted into the minds of gullible followers in order that, when dissent arises about the demagogue leader, the gullible will toss it up in order to kill the conversation. It is also for the purpose of curbing critical thought. As such, is incompetent. The other big TTC is 'fake news'. Trump knows his followers are low educated, and/or stupid, Stupid people are easy to fool, stupid people use juvenile language. it is easy to preload stupid people such that their brains become buckets of thought-terminating cliches. Demagogues like Mussolini and Hitler know this, Putin knows this, and no doubt, during Trump's secret phone calls to Putin, Putin has been giving Trump 'dictator 101' lessons.

You are the perfect example of someone who has been brainwashed by a demagogue. Trumpism is a cult, and you are a cultee. You are hopeless, there is no cure. You, as the OP asserts, will have to learn the hard way. As time passes, the truths of the OP will be revealed.


Trump is a 4x indicted, sex abuser, conman, fraudster, criminal who loves Putin, the 'poorly educated', not to mention that he despises democracy and has betrayed America, and by these facts, is the worst president in history. These are incontrovertible facts, revealed by events, words, deeds, court actions, testimonies of women subjected to his perversions. Republicans have installed two perverts on the SC, and now one in the presidency, and if that wasn't enough,. they have given him 'absolute immunity'. This is a toxic recipe for disaster. This is proof of Republican stupidity taken to the highest level. They are clever, they know how to achieve power, they know how to manipulate masses, and because of this, they are dangerous and are a clear threat to US national security.

You proved to this forum why you are a danger to this nation you hate so much.

 

[Clipper]

Trump needs to force Russia to give back all it plundered from Ukraine.

Riiiiiight. And risk Pooty's wrath?

 

[Robert W]

Riiiiiight. And risk Pooty's wrath?

Pooty took his wrath out on Biden. You know, that Biden who quit you all.

 

[boedicca]

In a second Trump presidency, expect a scorched earth approach that could fundamentally reshape America and the world for the worse. "America First" will mean isolationism that abandons allies, fuels economic volatility, and drains American power abroad. Massive deportations won’t just disrupt millions of lives; they’ll dismantle industries, fracture communities, and create a humanitarian disaster that will tarnish the U.S. globally. Trump’s soft stance on Russia will only embolden Putin, with Trump likely abandoning Ukraine to destruction and threatening European security. A domino effect could follow -- China eyeing Taiwan, emboldened by America’s retreat, (and they are eying Okinawa islands, as well ) seizing control of the semiconductor industry and holding the U.S. at technological gunpoint.

Most nations have had to endure a demagogue to learn -- often through unbearable hardship -- the brutal consequences of unchecked power and the empty allure of populist rhetoric. Germany had Hitler, who promised national pride and left his country in ruins. Italy’s Mussolini sold visions of empire that led to disaster. Argentina saw Perón, who polarized the nation and left it grappling with his divisive legacy. Spain endured Franco’s authoritarian grip, Venezuela Chávez’s ruinous policies. And in Russia, under Stalin, democracy never stood a chance; his totalitarian control meant that the people had no opportunity to reject his tyranny at the ballot box.

Now, America too seems determined to learn the hard way about the dark force of demagoguery. Some might say, “But Trump’s first term didn’t bring the sky down.” What they overlook is that the first time, he was held in check by seasoned figures -- McMaster, Kelly, Milley, Bolton, Barr, et. al., -- the “adults in the room” who served as guardrails. This time, they’re gone. Trump will fill his ranks with sycophants, loyalists without the spine to question or halt his impulses. He’ll have nothing but yes-men willing to serve him without question and he will pepper his cabinet ranks with his oligarch buddies who will 'deconstruct the administrative state'. like termites enjoy a feast. The polluter corporations will love this, as they destroy our climate, our air, our rivers and lakes and precious soil. Expect rampant corruption and transactionalism. With his newfound belief in “absolute immunity,” he’ll feel emboldened to act without limits, trying things he never dared before. And with those private calls to Putin, he’ll have a seasoned mentor to guide him through “Dictator 101” lessons.

So yes, history repeats itself, and we seem condemned to follow it. Like Germany, Argentina, Spain, and so many others, America might face devastation and finally come to understand the full cost of demagoguery, what it's like to live under autocratic rule. I don't expect we'll become a full fledged dictatorship, but let's be clear, Trump will try and exploit any and every weakness that exists in our system that he can get away with, where the framers assumed the president would be a man who would act in good faith. Man, how wrong they were! And maybe, if we’re lucky, we’ll survive the wreckage, inoculated and wiser for it -- if we can find our way free from his grip in time. So, you think this OP is partisan tripe? Time will most certainly tell. Let's see where we stand in a few years, and watch Dems regain control of the house in the next midterms, as by then, America will see, up close and personal. what this MAGA movement is really about.

• "As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and a complete narcissistic moron." -- H.L. Mencken

No truer words could more perfectly describe the rise of Trump.

Now, repubs are going to gloat, and pontificate why Trump won. But, he pandered to the lowest instincts of Americans, he did what all demagogues do; blame our troubles on a group. Hitler did it with Jews, and Trump has done it with immigrants, totally ignoring the fact that the undocs commit far fewer crimes than American citizens, but facts don't matter to a demagogue, the only thing that matters is power, and the more, the merrier. Also, the second big tool he bludgeoned Biden/Harris with was inflation. But for the inflation, given that it's undecideds who decide close elections, Republicans did a good job of bamboozling the masses by blaming the inflation on Biden, never mind the fact that it was CARES act, $2 trillion fiat currency infusion (that was Trump) AND the ARP, another $2 Trillion by Biden, both were done because of the pandemic, and were necessary to prevent and economic collapse, this was the prime mover for the inflation, not to mention the inflation was world wide, and you can't blame Biden for a world wide inflation, but to tell the truth is not something Republicans can do. Also, I fault Biden and Harris for not making this point clear, and they sure as hell could have, and should have.

But for the inflation, I doubt Trump would have won the popular vote, most voted on economics more than any other factor. A lot more than any other factor. It totally obfuscated Biden's major legislative achievements, predominantly the infrastructure program. For the first time since Eisenhower we are rebuilding America, as there are some 60,000 infrastructure projects as we speak. Trump, in his four years as president, with both houses under his thumb, was unable to achieve it. Biden got it done bipartisan in his first 300 days. That totally dismantles the 'he's got dementia' argument. Yeah, you don't agree but I don't give a damn, really, I've heard it all and it's all partisan drivel. If anyone has dementia, it's Trump -- have you been paying attention to his speeches? He's losing it. I doubt he is going to last four years, to be honest.

Yeah, I know, some of you are going to give mindless snarky dumb AF one liners to this OP, and you will be ignored because, frankly, if you voted for Trump, you are not very wise. You've been conned, you've been trump humped. Note that intelligence and wisdom, if they exist in the same human being, it is a coincidence, If you don't believe me, let's see where we stand during the midterms. Two years ought to reveal how Trump is going to ruin America.

Did you type all of that while holding your breath?

 

[MarathonMike]

Do you really think you won something?

This decision was bad for America. This nation lost.

Those like you will gloat today, but by mid terms, things will be different.

Guess who helped make that decision IM2? There were MILLIONS of Black voters who pushed Trump over the top because they are sick and tired of the Democrats shitting on them. The younger generation of Blacks is saying NO to you, the older Racist generation of Blacks.

 

[Clipper]

Pooty took his wrath out on Biden. You know, that Biden who quit you all.

Hardly. It is Trump who has the stink of Putin's ass on his breath.

 

[para bellum]

Link to that

 

[Robert W]

Trump's calling out NATO deadbeats got $100b in new defense spending just in time for Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
Now the EU needs to step up again to repel the Putin invasion, we'll see if they do step up.

Secretary General thanks President Trump for his commitment to NATO

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg thanked US President Donald Trump for his strong leadership and commitment to the Alliance in a meeting at the White House on Thursday (14 November 2019). Mr. Stoltenberg highlighted rising defence investment across European Allies and Canada, amounting to...

www.nato.int

I saw on TV Friday that Germany is in a hell of a mess and has called for an election.

 

[Robert W]

Hardly. It is Trump who has the stink of Putin's ass on his breath.

Pooty did not damage Trump at all. Pooty handled Biden your pal with ease.

 

[kyzr]

Trump needs to force Russia to give back all it plundered from Ukraine.

The US is NOT the world's cop.
An end to the war is more than enough.

 

[Zafira Cherry]

It's going to be a disaster.

Bigly disaster

 

[Zafira Cherry]

Trump doesn't even know you exist.

Trump doesn't know Trump exists. Yes, it is that bad.

 

[Zafira Cherry]

I call him orange bag O' shit. Nothing else.

I will add that to my list. My list is bigly uuge

 

[daveman]

In a second Trump presidency, expect a scorched earth approach that could fundamentally reshape America and the world for the worse. "America First" will mean isolationism that abandons allies, fuels economic volatility, and drains American power abroad. Massive deportations won’t just disrupt millions of lives; they’ll dismantle industries, fracture communities, and create a humanitarian disaster that will tarnish the U.S. globally. Trump’s soft stance on Russia will only embolden Putin, with Trump likely abandoning Ukraine to destruction and threatening European security. A domino effect could follow -- China eyeing Taiwan, emboldened by America’s retreat, (and they are eying Okinawa islands, as well ) seizing control of the semiconductor industry and holding the U.S. at technological gunpoint.

Most nations have had to endure a demagogue to learn -- often through unbearable hardship -- the brutal consequences of unchecked power and the empty allure of populist rhetoric. Germany had Hitler, who promised national pride and left his country in ruins. Italy’s Mussolini sold visions of empire that led to disaster. Argentina saw Perón, who polarized the nation and left it grappling with his divisive legacy. Spain endured Franco’s authoritarian grip, Venezuela Chávez’s ruinous policies. And in Russia, under Stalin, democracy never stood a chance; his totalitarian control meant that the people had no opportunity to reject his tyranny at the ballot box.

Now, America too seems determined to learn the hard way about the dark force of demagoguery. Some might say, “But Trump’s first term didn’t bring the sky down.” What they overlook is that the first time, he was held in check by seasoned figures -- McMaster, Kelly, Milley, Bolton, Barr, et. al., -- the “adults in the room” who served as guardrails. This time, they’re gone. Trump will fill his ranks with sycophants, loyalists without the spine to question or halt his impulses. He’ll have nothing but yes-men willing to serve him without question and he will pepper his cabinet ranks with his oligarch buddies who will 'deconstruct the administrative state'. like termites enjoy a feast. The polluter corporations will love this, as they destroy our climate, our air, our rivers and lakes and precious soil. Expect rampant corruption and transactionalism. With his newfound belief in “absolute immunity,” he’ll feel emboldened to act without limits, trying things he never dared before. And with those private calls to Putin, he’ll have a seasoned mentor to guide him through “Dictator 101” lessons.

So yes, history repeats itself, and we seem condemned to follow it. Like Germany, Argentina, Spain, and so many others, America might face devastation and finally come to understand the full cost of demagoguery, what it's like to live under autocratic rule. I don't expect we'll become a full fledged dictatorship, but let's be clear, Trump will try and exploit any and every weakness that exists in our system that he can get away with, where the framers assumed the president would be a man who would act in good faith. Man, how wrong they were! And maybe, if we’re lucky, we’ll survive the wreckage, inoculated and wiser for it -- if we can find our way free from his grip in time. So, you think this OP is partisan tripe? Time will most certainly tell. Let's see where we stand in a few years, and watch Dems regain control of the house in the next midterms, as by then, America will see, up close and personal. what this MAGA movement is really about.

• "As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and a complete narcissistic moron." -- H.L. Mencken

No truer words could more perfectly describe the rise of Trump.

Now, repubs are going to gloat, and pontificate why Trump won. But, he pandered to the lowest instincts of Americans, he did what all demagogues do; blame our troubles on a group. Hitler did it with Jews, and Trump has done it with immigrants, totally ignoring the fact that the undocs commit far fewer crimes than American citizens, but facts don't matter to a demagogue, the only thing that matters is power, and the more, the merrier. Also, the second big tool he bludgeoned Biden/Harris with was inflation. But for the inflation, given that it's undecideds who decide close elections, Republicans did a good job of bamboozling the masses by blaming the inflation on Biden, never mind the fact that it was CARES act, $2 trillion fiat currency infusion (that was Trump) AND the ARP, another $2 Trillion by Biden, both were done because of the pandemic, and were necessary to prevent and economic collapse, this was the prime mover for the inflation, not to mention the inflation was world wide, and you can't blame Biden for a world wide inflation, but to tell the truth is not something Republicans can do. Also, I fault Biden and Harris for not making this point clear, and they sure as hell could have, and should have.

But for the inflation, I doubt Trump would have won the popular vote, most voted on economics more than any other factor. A lot more than any other factor. It totally obfuscated Biden's major legislative achievements, predominantly the infrastructure program. For the first time since Eisenhower we are rebuilding America, as there are some 60,000 infrastructure projects as we speak. Trump, in his four years as president, with both houses under his thumb, was unable to achieve it. Biden got it done bipartisan in his first 300 days. That totally dismantles the 'he's got dementia' argument. Yeah, you don't agree but I don't give a damn, really, I've heard it all and it's all partisan drivel. If anyone has dementia, it's Trump -- have you been paying attention to his speeches? He's losing it. I doubt he is going to last four years, to be honest.

Yeah, I know, some of you are going to give mindless snarky dumb AF one liners to this OP, and you will be ignored because, frankly, if you voted for Trump, you are not very wise. You've been conned, you've been trump humped. Note that intelligence and wisdom, if they exist in the same human being, it is a coincidence, If you don't believe me, let's see where we stand during the midterms. Two years ought to reveal how Trump is going to ruin America.

Which of your breathless doom-and-gloom predictions about his first term came true?

None?

So there's no reason to take this list seriously.

 

[IM2]

1. We need idle workers to get off their asses. The participation rate is only 62%.
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2. The main cause of inflation is when demand exceeds supply, as I stated before, due in part to open borders and free food and housing for 20,000,000 illegals. Obama had the opposite policy, and had more success, so will Trump.

Inflation Update: The Latest Figures, Why It Happened, What To Expect

The BLS released its most recent data on U.S. inflation. Motor vehicle insurance surged 20.60% in the past 12 months. Get the facts inside.

www.forbes.com

"Let’s stick with the facts, shall we? Inflation emerges when the demand for products and services exceeds the supply. This round of inflation was caused by a breakdown in the supply chain along with an increase in demand. The pandemic was responsible for the supply chain and government spending (i.e. stimulus) was responsible for the increase in demand. That’s as simple as it gets.

Wrong.
The Next President Inherits a Remarkable Economy

Whoever wins the White House next week will take office with no shortage of challenges, but at least one huge asset: an economy that is putting its peers to shame.

With another solid performance in the third quarter, the U.S. has grown 2.7% over the past year. It is outrunning every other major developed economy, not to mention its own historical growth rate.

More impressive than the rate of growth is its quality. This growth didn’t come solely from using up finite supplies of labor and other resources, which could fuel inflation. Instead, it came from making people and businesses more productive.

This combination, if sustained, will be a wind at the back of the next president. Three of the past four newcomers to the White House took office in or around a recession (the exception was Donald Trump, in 2017), which consumed much of their first-term agenda. The next president should be free of that burden.

Meanwhile, higher productivity growth should make the economy a bit less prone to inflation, more capable of sustaining budget deficits, and more likely to deliver strong wages. All would be a boon to President Trump or President Kamala Harris.

To describe this economy as remarkable would strike most Americans as confusing, if not insulting. In the latest WSJ poll, 62% of respondents rated the economy as “not so good” or “poor,” which explains the lack of any political dividend for President Biden. There are many reasons for the disconnect, most important the high inflation of 2021-23, whose effects still linger.

When you’re unhappy at home, you can gain some perspective by checking in on your neighbors. The whole world has been through the wringer since 2020; any country’s performance alone is less revealing than how it compares with its peers.

Most leaders from around the world would trade their economies for the U.S.’s in a heartbeat. Through the second quarter, the U.S. grew 3%; none of the world’s next six largest advanced economies grew more than 1%. Even China is struggling.

Sometimes strong growth is a prelude to a recession because it comes from straining the economy’s capacity, generating inflation and forcing the Fed to raise rates.

Yet inflation has fallen in the past year, to 2.7% in the third quarter, using the Fed’s preferred underlying measure.

“That’s pretty impressive. That’s a bit of a Goldilocks outcome,” Robin Vince, chief executive of BNY, said in a recent interview. “A year, two years ago, very few commentators actually thought that was going to be possible.”

Some of that growth was due to the labor force swelling with inflows of unauthorized migrants.

The Bank for International Settlements, a Swiss-based umbrella group for central banks, calculates that from the end of 2019 to the end of 2023, total output rose 7.9% in the U.S., of which 1.2% came from more hours worked and 6.7% from productivity—more output per hour. In the eurozone, output was up 3% in the same period, entirely due to more hours.

“Productivity is really bad across the world,” said Hyun Song Shin, the BIS’s economic adviser. “The U.S. is an outlier.”

The BIS thinks inflation is a bigger risk globally in coming years because of threats to supply chains such as from geopolitical conflict. But productivity provides some cushion by enabling companies to absorb higher costs, such as wages. Shin said, “The U.S. can run the economy hot in a way others cannot.”

What’s behind the divergence? Read the recent report by former European Central Bank President Mario Draghi on European competitiveness. In explaining why Europe lags behind, it reveals why the U.S. leads.

One reason is the domestic energy supply, which insulated the U.S. from the surge in natural-gas prices that followed Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

www.wsj.com/economy/the-next-president-inherits-a-remarkable-economy-7be2d059

This is written in the WALL STREET JOURNAL- a conservative site.

 

[IM2]

Trump will force Ukraine to take a peace deal so we stop burning cash.
If the EU wants to keep fighting they can burn their Euros.

No he won't. That money Ukraine is getting for weapons is returned to US weapons manufacturers who are building the weapons Ukraine uses.

 

[Lesh]

Explain your love affair for Illegal aliens??

There’s no love affair you stupid old fuck.

They are a daff cd t of life

Have been my entire life and yours too probably

 

[Lesh]

I am trying to be brief.

You’re trying to lie