Liz Warren Claims She's More Qualified To Be Sec of Def Because She Has Two Brothers That Served

[Robert W]

Second, you have to get this bullshit past a DC Jury.

Correct because you know they are corrupted people.

 

[Robert W]

That assumes that Biden doesn't give the officer a pre-emptive pardon along with anyone else Trump might decide to maliciously prosecute.

I am not sure a pardon for a person not tried or convicted is legal. It seems to me to be an open door policy to commit many more crimes. Trump was maliciously prosecuted. Who do you fear might be prosecuted by Trump? I would put up for nomination Mayorka and even Garland. Biden says he is bailing out on his own son so he seems destined to be a Biden put into prison.

 

[JoeB131]

You have seen countries where the citizens try to overthrow them. The cops at the Capitol were well armed. And cops with her did not claim she was overthrowing anything. Cops who are honest will be called as witnesses to the husbands case and my hope is the jury virtually convicts the cop you so heartily approve. How the hell were you ever a Republican? We fight for justice not the bullshit you peddle.

You guys fight for the rich, except most of you are too stupid to realize it.

Again, do you really think that a black jury is going to convict a cop of shooting a crazy white woman who was part of a crazy mob intent on killing congress, you are delusional.

Oh, wait, sorry, I forgot you are a Mormon. Delusional is your normal state of being? Have you found those Nephite cities yet?

I feel unclean that the cop murdered this woman and you keep approving his criminal acts. My feelings are not hurt at all. My sense of justice has been treated like shit by Biden and Democrats. Would you like yours to be treated like shit?

The only reason why your sense of justice is offended is because you are ignoring key facts, like she was part of an angry mob that was storming Congress. Funny how you keep forgetting that.

If you are looking for anyone to blame for her death, you should blame Trump.

 

[JoeB131]

I am not sure a pardon for a person not tried or convicted is legal. It seems to me to be an open door policy to commit many more crimes. Trump was maliciously prosecuted. Who do you fear might be prosecuted by Trump? I would put up for nomination Mayorka and even Garland. Biden says he is bailing out on his own son so he seems destined to be a Biden put into prison.

Actually, it totally is. This was the whole legal theory behind Jerry Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon. Nixon hadn't been tried. He hadn't been indicted. But the pardon was given because some Democrats were going back on their word that if Nixon had just resigned, he was out of legal trouble.

I am sure Trump will completely abuse the DOJ to get his 'revenge", which is why Biden needs to issue a blanket pardon to everyone in his administration, everyone from Obama's time in.

Trump should take the win, because he'd never win a case in front of a DC Jury.

 

[Robert W]

Actually, it totally is. This was the whole legal theory behind Jerry Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon. Nixon hadn't been tried. He hadn't been indicted. But the pardon was given because some Democrats were going back on their word that if Nixon had just resigned, he was out of legal trouble.

I doubt you were born at the time of Nixon. Even so, say you were, You are correct as I recall about him.

The Nixon pardon in constitutional retrospect | Constitution Center

President Gerald Ford’s pardon of Richard Nixon on this day in 1974 generated a national controversy, but in recent years, some of the pardon’s biggest critics have changed their tunes on the unprecedented move.

constitutioncenter.org

President Gerald Ford’s pardon of Richard Nixon on this day in 1974 generated a national controversy, but in recent years, some of the pardon’s biggest critics have changed their tunes on the unprecedented move.



Watergate reporters Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward had vehemently opposed the pardon after Ford went on national television on September 8, 1974, to announce it. But in recent years, the former Washington Post journalists have approved of Ford’s move to absolve Nixon of any criminal charges related to the Watergate break-in and its cover-up.

In a July 2014 panel hosted by the Post, Woodward called the pardon “an act of courage.” He had talked with Ford decades after the pardon and said the former President made a “very compelling argument” for his actions based on national security and economic needs.

The late Senator Ted Kennedy said in 2001 that while he initially opposed the pardon, he had come to accept it as the best move for the country. And Richard Ben-Veniste, a former Watergate prosecutor and a Democrat, wrote about the pardon shortly after Ford’s passing in 2006.

“Did Ford make the right decision in pardoning his predecessor? The answer to that question is more nuanced than either the howls of outrage that greeted the pardon three decades ago or the general acceptance with which it is viewed now,” Ben-Veniste said in a commentary for the Post.

 

[Robert W]

I am sure Trump will completely abuse the DOJ to get his 'revenge", which is why Biden needs to issue a blanket pardon to everyone in his administration, everyone from Obama's time in.

You do not have a history of being correct. But time will tell if your claim turns out to be true.

 

[JoeB131]

I doubt you were born at the time of Nixon. Even so, say you were, You are correct as I recall about him.

Actually, I was, but I was 12 when this all went down. My Dad was a Nixon supporter, and he felt to his dying day that Nixon hadn't done anything the rest of them hadn't done, he just got caught.

But you spend a lot of bandwidth making my point. A president can issue a pre-emptive pardon to protect people from prosecution. Not only did Ford do this, but George H. Bush did this as well in the case of Casper Weinberger, who was maliciously being prosecuted by Lawrence Walsh for Iran-Contra. (Cap, ironically, was the only guy in the room saying it was a terrible idea.)

So, yes, Biden can issue pardons against future prosecutions. Should he? Frankly, I think so. No one should face prosecution for serving his country or doing his job.

On the other hand, it would be fun to watch Trump expend political capital on petty revenge only to have DC Juries say, "N-word, Please!"

You do not have a history of being correct. But time will tell if your claim turns out to be true.

Actually, I'm correct most of the time. My only error was underestimating America's lethal levels of racism and misogyny. We'll all pay a heavy price for it.

Come on, man! Trump's first presidency was a fucking disaster. Why do you think his second one will be better? Here's why it will probably be worse.

1) He's appointing clowns like Gaetz and Gabbard to key positions. First time out, he appointed competent people who kept him out of trouble.
2) He's older, and substantially less well. Too bad the media spent so much time sane-washing his crazy.
3) Lack of Guard Rails. Last time, you had the courts, Congress, and even members of his own cabinet keeping him from doing crazy shit. Not so much this time.

 

[Robert W]

Actually, I'm correct most of the time. My only error was underestimating America's lethal levels of racism and misogyny. We'll all pay a heavy price for it.

Come on, man! Trump's first presidency was a fucking disaster. Why do you think his second one will be better? Here's why it will probably be worse.

1) He's appointing clowns like Gaetz and Gabbard to key positions. First time out, he appointed competent people who kept him out of trouble.
2) He's older, and substantially less well. Too bad the media spent so much time sane-washing his crazy.
3) Lack of Guard Rails. Last time, you had the courts, Congress, and even members of his own cabinet keeping him from doing crazy shit. Not so much this time.

I don't mind at all saying when you are right. But about Trump you are not. About GW Bush you are not. I was not a Nixon fan at all. I was then a loyal Democrat as you are now. Democrats must hate republicans so I did my share of hating them.

Trump did a lot of good things when he was president and I believe his past experience bodes well for our country. Gaetz is going to be a splendid AG. Gabbard is brilliant. She can be president in the future. So can Kristi Noem. Do you not understand how poor a president Biden was. Harris deserved for the public to fire her.

 

[Dismantle this Country]

She actually meant two brothers that she serviced.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't mind at all saying when you are right. But about Trump you are not. About GW Bush you are not. I was not a Nixon fan at all. I was then a loyal Democrat as you are now. Democrats must hate republicans so I did my share of hating them.

Don't care.

Trump is objectively a horrible human being. Forget party labels and policies for a second. in many ways, my objections to Trump are the same objections I had to Bill Clinton.

Here's a man who cheats on his wife. (all three wives, actually) If your wife can't trust, you, there's no reason I should.
He once denied health coverage for his disabled great-nephew to get his niece and nephew not to dispute his father's will.
He's been barred from running a charity in NY because he stole from veterans and poor kids.
He misrepresented the values of his properties.
He paid a porn star to keep silent about sex and used the power of his office to cover it up.
I could fill a whole page here on every awful thing Trump has done as a human being.

Now, if you want to take the attitude that "they are all crooks" or something, to assuage your conscience, that's fine. But don't pretend he's a morally upright guy.

Trump did a lot of good things when he was president and I believe his past experience bodes well for our country.

Again, that brainwashing scrubbed away any critical thinking skills.

Trump fucked up everything he touches, and convinces the stupid people that he's turned shit into gold.

Gaetz is going to be a splendid AG.

Yes, because that's what we need at Justice, a human trafficker who uses drugs.

Gabbard is brilliant. She can be president in the future.

Gabbard is nuts. Also probalby on the Russian Payroll. Also a member of a whackadoo cult. Oh, wait, you're a member of a whackadoo cult.

From the Conservative Bulwark.

The Curious Case of Tulsi Gabbard: Is She a Russian Asset or a Dupe?

On assets, espionage coups, and the future director of national intelligence.

www.thebulwark.com

But it’s the appointment of Tulsi Gabbard as director of national intelligence that worries me more. Because for a decade Gabbard has looked and behaved like a Russian asset.

In four terms as a congresswoman her most notable actions were ongoing defenses of two war criminals: Bashar al-Assad and Vladimir Putin.

So can Kristi Noem.

Just don't let her around any puppies.

Do you not understand how poor a president Biden was. Harris deserved for the public to fire her.

Well, after you guys engaged in all that voter suppression, sure.

 

[MarathonMike]

Liz Warren is highly qualified to be Bureau of Indian Affairs Chief.

 

[Robert W]

Trump is objectively a horrible human being. Forget party labels and policies for a second. in many ways, my objections to Trump are the same objections I had to Bill Clinton.

Here's a man who cheats on his wife. (all three wives, actually) If your wife can't trust, you, there's no reason I should.
He once denied health coverage for his disabled great-nephew to get his niece and nephew not to dispute his father's will.
He's been barred from running a charity in NY because he stole from veterans and poor kids.
He misrepresented the values of his properties.
He paid a porn star to keep silent about sex and used the power of his office to cover it up.
I could fill a whole page here on every awful thing Trump has done as a human being.

Now, if you want to take the attitude that "they are all crooks" or something, to assuage your conscience, that's fine. But don't pretend he's a morally upright guy.

Sex for a president is not how I judge that office. I want to support the office. I could not support it when Biden is in it. You deal with petty issues. Biden I believe has cheated. Bet you defend him though.
I will research your claim about health coverage. I don't understand that issue now at all.
Trump can't personally manage his 500 approx companies he has funds in.

My personal philosophy is that the last human that was perfect was Jesus and the Romans murdered him. I never have seen Trump as a perfect man. I don't like many things he does. But they are not about managing the job of President.

 

[Robert W]

He once denied health coverage for his disabled great-nephew to get his niece and nephew not to dispute his father's will.

I looked into this claim a bit.

Trump reportedly withdrew funds that paid for a sick child's medical bills after the parents sued his family

The parents sued Trump's family. And you think Trump should find those dudes?

Notice too the word reportedly. Does that tempt you to think it was a false claim?

Donald Trump once revoked medical funds from a sick baby due to a family feud

Trump reportedly withdrew funds that paid for a sick child's medical bills after the parents sued his family

www.the-independent.com

 

[JoeB131]

Sex for a president is not how I judge that office. I want to support the office. I could not support it when Biden is in it. You deal with petty issues. Biden I believe has cheated. Bet you defend him though.

Do you have proof he did? No? Trump not only cheated on his wives, he was pretty open about it.

I will research your claim about health coverage. I don't understand that issue now at all.

Donald Trump once revoked medical funds from a sick baby due to a family feud

Trump reportedly withdrew funds that paid for a sick child's medical bills after the parents sued his family

www.the-independent.com

Following the death of Freddy, his son, Fred III, got married and had a child. Shortly after birth, the baby began having seizures which later developed into cerebral palsy.

The Trump family pledged to pay for the child's medical bills, but that came to an end after the reading of Fred Sr's will, which Donald Trump had reportedly helped draft while his father was still alive.

In Fred Trump Sr's will, much of the inheritance, believed to be around $20 million, was divided between four of his five children and their descendants - leaving Freddy explicitly excluded from receiving any of the money.

After this came to light, Freddy's children sued, claiming Donald Trump (their uncle) and his siblings had wielded "undue influence" over Fred Sr, who suffered from dementia in the last years of his life.

It is alleged that a week later Donald retaliated by withdrawing the funds that were meant to pay for the healthcare of his nephew's ill child.

This is the kind of "Good Christian Man" you support.

Trump can't personally manage his 500 approx companies he has funds in.

Trump can't manage his companies at all, it's why so many of them have gone bankrupt or required bailouts. The man can turn gold into shit and you clowns praise him for it.

My personal philosophy is that the last human that was perfect was Jesus and the Romans murdered him.

Jesus never existed. Sorry, they made him up.

I never have seen Trump as a perfect man. I don't like many things he does. But they are not about managing the job of President.

In short, as long as he lets you religious crazies impose your nonsense on the rest of us, he could eat puppies in the White House, amiright?

Seems to me that if you are going to preach morality, you should support moral people.

 

[Robert W]

Yes, because that's what we need at Justice, a human trafficker who uses drugs.

He has been cleared by the prosecutor. Joe, you approve murder. And it is strange to me you don't approve drugs if Gaetz really uses any.

 

[JoeB131]

I looked into this claim a bit.

Trump reportedly withdrew funds that paid for a sick child's medical bills after the parents sued his family

The parents sued Trump's family. And you think Trump should find those dudes?

Notice too the word reportedly. Does that tempt you to think it was a false claim?

I think he should stand up to his commitment to family.

it was a $20 million dollar inheritance. Trump is supposedly a billionaire. Screwing over family members over an inheritance and then cutting off medical insurance for a sick child.

That's all kinds of fucked up, yo!

(Hey, here's the part where you whine about Ashli Babbit again because you don't have a response.)

 

[JoeB131]

He has been cleared by the prosecutor. Joe, you approve murder. And it is strange to me you don't approve drugs if Gaetz really uses any.

I don't approve of drugs. Never taken drugs in my life, not once.

That said, I think it's the height of stupidity to treat drug abuse as a criminal problem when it's a medical one.

There are men spending years in prison for a lot less than what Gaetz has done.

Let's see the House's investigation report, and we can all judge for ourselves.

 

[Robert W]

In short, as long as he lets you religious crazies impose your nonsense on the rest of us, he could eat puppies in the White House, amiright?

Seems to me that if you are going to preach morality, you should support moral people.

Again, you bare fangs against the Mormons. Joe when did Trump convert to Mormonism? My church did more good for the hurricane victims than the Feds have done for the victims. Yes your Bidenistas were slow on the help and told a FEMA woman to exclude victims who had Trump signs in the yards.

I have beefs about Trump. But not what you want to discusss. I looked up the claim about the help for the infant and now must ask you. If you helped a family member who then sued you, would you keep paying their medical costs?
Your anti Trump claims is you preaching morality.

 

[Robert W]

I think he should stand up to his commitment to family.

it was a $20 million dollar inheritance. Trump is supposedly a billionaire. Screwing over family members over an inheritance and then cutting off medical insurance for a sick child.

That's all kinds of fucked up, yo!

(Hey, here's the part where you whine about Ashli Babbit again because you don't have a response.)

Joe, since you delight in the murder of Ashli Babbitt, it has to be included as part of your own arguments where you put the claims of an article above the truth. That article is loaded with "this story might be all lies" in it. And you trust shit because you hate Trump. You also hate Ashli Babbitt so frankly for me is is you trying to show you are not moral at all.

 

[Robert W]

Let's see the House's investigation report, and we can all judge for ourselves.

Yes and we also want the investigation opened up about Biden, right Joe?