List the 5 Presidents you most admire and the reason

[Unkotare]

Soldiers are essentially slaves to the government after they sign a contract. ...

NO, they are not.

 

[RKMBrown]

Ayup... forced contract, like forced payroll tax, that would be an evil part.

You get to vote on the taxes you pay....a slave didn't

I get to vote on the taxes I pay in TX. Federal taxes are not voted on by individual states. They are mandated by people in DC who are elected by people in NY, California, etc. Citizens of conservative states are forced into socialism by citizens of marxist states.

Last I saw, Texas has two Senators and a shitload of Congressmen all elected by voters in Texas. So yes, you geta say in what taxes are assessed. That is not socialism...it is democracy at its best

Yeah we'll we were supposed to be a republic... not a democracy.

A Republic is an implementation of Democracy

That's like saying tyranny is an implementation of liberty.

 

[RKMBrown]

Soldiers are essentially slaves to the government after they sign a contract. ...

NO, they are not.

Yes, they are.

 

[Dan Daly]

not being able to refute it with anything other than "because I said so". ...

I have yet to say that, no matter how many times you insist that I have. What the hell are you smoking, kid?

"Don't bring up family and don't make false analogies."
"It's a false analogy because it's a false analogy."
"Attempting to draw out the analogy only highlights how inapplicable it is, dopey."

Where's the beef, boy?...

In all the parts you didn't quote. You know this.

Then requote them. You won't because even you know you are full of shit.

 

[rightwinger]

You get to vote on the taxes you pay....a slave didn't

I get to vote on the taxes I pay in TX. Federal taxes are not voted on by individual states. They are mandated by people in DC who are elected by people in NY, California, etc. Citizens of conservative states are forced into socialism by citizens of marxist states.

Last I saw, Texas has two Senators and a shitload of Congressmen all elected by voters in Texas. So yes, you geta say in what taxes are assessed. That is not socialism...it is democracy at its best

Yeah we'll we were supposed to be a republic... not a democracy.

A Republic is an implementation of Democracy

That's like saying tyranny is an implementation of liberty.

Actually it isn't

Try again

 

[Dan Daly]

The analogies are united by the notion of keeping a union together by force and violence. ...

Your analogy fails because you are trying to compare unlike things. How many times do you need this explained to you, kid?

So you dispute that in all cases a union is held together by force and violence? Then dazzle us with your brilliant argument supporting your contention. But we know you can't...all you can do is introduce straw men that have nothing to do with the unifying premise in some lame attempt to shuck and jive, boy.

 

[Unkotare]

It makes a great deal of sense. ...

You are comparing dissimilar things; therefore, it makes no sense.

 

[RKMBrown]

I get to vote on the taxes I pay in TX. Federal taxes are not voted on by individual states. They are mandated by people in DC who are elected by people in NY, California, etc. Citizens of conservative states are forced into socialism by citizens of marxist states.

Last I saw, Texas has two Senators and a shitload of Congressmen all elected by voters in Texas. So yes, you geta say in what taxes are assessed. That is not socialism...it is democracy at its best

Yeah we'll we were supposed to be a republic... not a democracy.

A Republic is an implementation of Democracy

That's like saying tyranny is an implementation of liberty.

Actually it isn't

Try again

Democracy in the form we are currently employing, due to the destruction of the power the republic previously held, is tyranny of the majority over smaller groups, such as states that prefer liberty over marxism. A republic is the opposite of democracy. It is a government formed to eliminate tyranny of the majority... The republic has clearly been thrown out with the bathwater now, see 14th due process clause, 16th, and 17th amendments.

 

[Dan Daly]

I often wonder why Lincoln is so revered. If you and I were married and you wanted a divorce, would you give me your undying love and loyalty if I used force to prevent you from leaving me and destroyed all your stuff in the process?

Lincoln proved that we are not a free nation, because free nations don't need to be held together by force.

Pretty generic answer.

When a society is free sometimes people abuse their freedoms.

If one of us abused our freedoms in that fashion, we'd go to prison.

Some think that government is allowed to abuse freedoms that we mere peons cannot...I am not of that school - "government of the people, by the people, for the people" should also be held to the same standards as the people.

 

[Dan Daly]

It makes a great deal of sense. ...

You are comparing dissimilar things; therefore, it makes no sense.

More of the "i think they are dissimilar, so I am right and you are wrong" fallacy. Bluff and bluster are not an acceptable substitute for actual intelligence, son.

 

[Dan Daly]

I often wonder why Lincoln is so revered. ...

Because he preserved the Union, punished the traitorous Confederate dogs, and set forces in motion that would inevitably and finally end the scourge of slavery in this nation.

So you'd beat your wife half to death and force her to stay married to you to preserve your union? Nice. Bet the women just loooove you.

If she was keeping slaves the bitch deserved it.

Tell it to the judge.

 

[Dan Daly]

Soldiers are essentially slaves to the government after they sign a contract. ...

NO, they are not.

Yes, they are.

Whew, glad I was a Marine and not a soldier.

If the soldier was drafted I might agree, or if you used the term "wage slave" which applies to a good portion of the non-military population as well.

 

[Unkotare]

The analogies are united by the notion of keeping a union together by force and violence. ...

Your analogy fails because you are trying to compare unlike things. How many times do you need this explained to you, kid?

So you dispute that in all cases a union is held together by force and violence? ...

I dispute that the personal relationship choices of one man and one woman are in any serious way analogous to a nation of over 30 million people wrestling with the principles of federalism and fundamental human rights. Got it now, kid?

 

[mudwhistle]

I often wonder why Lincoln is so revered. If you and I were married and you wanted a divorce, would you give me your undying love and loyalty if I used force to prevent you from leaving me and destroyed all your stuff in the process?

Lincoln proved that we are not a free nation, because free nations don't need to be held together by force.

Pretty generic answer.

When a society is free sometimes people abuse their freedoms.

If one of us abused our freedoms in that fashion, we'd go to prison.

Some think that government is allowed to abuse freedoms that we mere peons cannot...I am not of that school - "government of the people, by the people, for the people" should also be held to the same standards as the people.

The Bill of Rights was written as a protective measure against abusive government.

The problem with any free society is the constant threat that enemies of freedom pose to it. The South didn't believe in equality, so they tried to abuse their freedom. Corrective measures had to be taken in order to assure that this nation endured. Part of the growing pains of any fledgling society.

 

[mudwhistle]

I often wonder why Lincoln is so revered. ...

Because he preserved the Union, punished the traitorous Confederate dogs, and set forces in motion that would inevitably and finally end the scourge of slavery in this nation.

So you'd beat your wife half to death and force her to stay married to you to preserve your union? Nice. Bet the women just loooove you.

If she was keeping slaves the bitch deserved it.

Tell it to the judge.

????

 

[Dan Daly]

The analogies are united by the notion of keeping a union together by force and violence. ...

Your analogy fails because you are trying to compare unlike things. How many times do you need this explained to you, kid?

So you dispute that in all cases a union is held together by force and violence? ...

I dispute that the personal relationship choices of one man and one woman are in any serious way analogous to a nation of over 30 million people wrestling with the principles of federalism and fundamental human rights. Got it now, kid?

another unrelated strawman... a union of people is a union of people...and keeping any union together by force is wrong...period. Keep trying though, son, we have a pool going concerning how long it will take before your widdle punkin head explodes.

 

[Dan Daly]

I often wonder why Lincoln is so revered. ...

Because he preserved the Union, punished the traitorous Confederate dogs, and set forces in motion that would inevitably and finally end the scourge of slavery in this nation.

So you'd beat your wife half to death and force her to stay married to you to preserve your union? Nice. Bet the women just loooove you.

If she was keeping slaves the bitch deserved it.

Tell it to the judge.

????

I should have known better than to attempt a joke on someone with an avatar of Spock.

 

[mudwhistle]

Because he preserved the Union, punished the traitorous Confederate dogs, and set forces in motion that would inevitably and finally end the scourge of slavery in this nation.

So you'd beat your wife half to death and force her to stay married to you to preserve your union? Nice. Bet the women just loooove you.

If she was keeping slaves the bitch deserved it.

Tell it to the judge.

????

I should have known better than to attempt a joke on someone with an avatar of Spock.

One of the purposes of any joke is to be funny.

 

[mudwhistle]

The analogies are united by the notion of keeping a union together by force and violence. ...

Your analogy fails because you are trying to compare unlike things. How many times do you need this explained to you, kid?

So you dispute that in all cases a union is held together by force and violence? ...

I dispute that the personal relationship choices of one man and one woman are in any serious way analogous to a nation of over 30 million people wrestling with the principles of federalism and fundamental human rights. Got it now, kid?

another unrelated strawman... a union of people is a union of people...and keeping any union together by force is wrong...period. Keep trying though, son, we have a pool going concerning how long it will take before your widdle punkin head explodes.

Depends on what is at stake.

If standing by and allowing a terrible injustice to take place or continue to take place, just cuz your principles interfere with your moral judgment, that's wrong as well

 

[rightwinger]

Not too hard

Lincoln: Preserved the union, made us the UNITED STATES not just a bunch of states that were united

FDR: Brought us through the depression, showed how a modern democracy should act, carried us through WWII, Made us a Superpower

Teddy Roosevelt: One of our first modern presidents, showed what presidential power was about, Panama Canal, broke up the trusts, National Parks

Wilson: Gave us a modern monetary system, Brought us through WWI and helped broker the peace

Washington: Layed the groundwork for future Presidents and Presidential Powers

Next 5

Jefferson: Expanded the US, exploration of the West

Jackson: Established Presidential powers of the executive branch

Ike: Cold War, Space Program, Interstate hughway system

Truman: Marshall Plan, UN, Fired MacArthur

Obama: Prevented a depresssion, saved the auto companies, Obamacare