List the 5 Presidents you most admire and the reason

[RKMBrown]

You see the tyranny in FDR's imprisonment of the Japanese Americans, but fail to see that Lincoln's actions were much worse. One could conclude you think the rights of Japanese Americans are much more important than Southerns. ...

That makes absolutely no sense. Japanese Americans were not trying to destroy the country. They had not taken up arms against the country, and certainly weren't enslaving other people within the country. You are posting out of ill-considered emotion.

No you are the one posting out of ill-considered emotion. 99% of the people in the south did not own a single slave.

I think you are a bit off, but not that far off.

Funny thing about slavery, and the master/slave relationship.

My great however many greats grandfathers slaves stayed right there with him after emancipation, and took his name.

Many still proudly bear that name, even though they know it traces back to Georgia and another time.

Ayup.. slavery in and of itself is not necessarily an evil thing. Trading labor for transport, food, and lodging... sounds like an employment contract. Some forms of slavery are the direct equivalent of payroll taxes and other forms of payroll withdrawals that are done today.

A contract requires agreement of both parties

Ayup... forced contract, like forced payroll tax, that would be an evil part.

 

[Roadrunner]

Wanna blame somebody, blame those do-nothing predecessors who allowed it to fester that far....

It wasn't "allowed to fester." Statesmen crafted compromise after compromise in an attempt to deal with what was ultimately an unresolvable contradiction in the very fabric of our nation.

It was slowly being restricted.

It would have ended when the internal combustion engine made it non-profitable.

 

[longknife]

Well, the top of my list is Harry Truman - he was never given the respect he deserved and was attacked just as about as vile as any other. He took office under terrible conditions and had been totally kept out of the loop by FDR. He had some agonizing decisions to make and did so with integrity. Even as he lived in poverty in retirement, he continued to uphold his beliefs and begged for nothing from anybody.

The rest? GWB I and II, Raegan, and Ford

 

[Pogo]

You see the tyranny in FDR's imprisonment of the Japanese Americans, but fail to see that Lincoln's actions were much worse. One could conclude you think the rights of Japanese Americans are much more important than Southerns. ...

That makes absolutely no sense. Japanese Americans were not trying to destroy the country. They had not taken up arms against the country, and certainly weren't enslaving other people within the country. You are posting out of ill-considered emotion.

No you are the one posting out of ill-considered emotion. 99% of the people in the south did not own a single slave.

Yes, but 40% of the population WERE slaves

That sounds like a number pulled out of a hat... ROFL link?

From the same guy who posted:

99% of the people in the south did not own a single slave.

Irony meter pegged.


Math juuuuuust a bit off too...

>> Almost one-third of all Southern families owned slaves. In Mississippi and South Carolina it approached one half. The total number of slave owners was 385,000 in 1860. Here are the percentages of slaveowning families as a fraction of total free households:

Mississippi: 49%
South Carolina: 46%
Georgia: 37%
Alabama: 35%
Florida: 34%
Louisiana: 29%
Texas: 28%
North Carolina: 28%
Virginia: 26%
Tennessee: 25%
Kentucky: 23%
Arkansas: 20%
Missouri: 13%
Maryland: 12%
Delaware: 3% << (more at the page)​

Pray, what kind of mallet to you use to bang this into "99% did not own slaves"?

 

[heirtothewind]

George Washington... fought for liberty and limited government, setting us on the right path, albeit with some screw ups.

Ronald Reagan... fought for liberty and limited government, set us back on the right path, albeit with some screw ups.

Calvin Coolidge... fought for limited government, set us back on the right path, albeit with some screw ups.

Thomas Jefferson... fought for liberty and limited government, setting us on the right path, albeit with some screw ups.

James Monroe... fought for liberty and limited government, setting us on the right path, albeit with some screw ups.

Conservatives extol ''limited government'' --- but they never refuse social security or medicare, and they don't refuse federal aid when tornadoes, hurricanes, or other disasters strike. They benefit from the protections of the Fair Labor Standards Act and many other federal laws relating to health, education, welfare, and safety. They don't refuse workers' comp or unemployment benefits.

 

[rightwinger]

That makes absolutely no sense. Japanese Americans were not trying to destroy the country. They had not taken up arms against the country, and certainly weren't enslaving other people within the country. You are posting out of ill-considered emotion.

No you are the one posting out of ill-considered emotion. 99% of the people in the south did not own a single slave.

I think you are a bit off, but not that far off.

Funny thing about slavery, and the master/slave relationship.

My great however many greats grandfathers slaves stayed right there with him after emancipation, and took his name.

Many still proudly bear that name, even though they know it traces back to Georgia and another time.

Ayup.. slavery in and of itself is not necessarily an evil thing. Trading labor for transport, food, and lodging... sounds like an employment contract. Some forms of slavery are the direct equivalent of payroll taxes and other forms of payroll withdrawals that are done today.

A contract requires agreement of both parties

Ayup... forced contract, like forced payroll tax, that would be an evil part.

You get to vote on the taxes you pay....a slave didn't

 

[RKMBrown]

You see the tyranny in FDR's imprisonment of the Japanese Americans, but fail to see that Lincoln's actions were much worse. One could conclude you think the rights of Japanese Americans are much more important than Southerns. ...

That makes absolutely no sense. Japanese Americans were not trying to destroy the country. They had not taken up arms against the country, and certainly weren't enslaving other people within the country. You are posting out of ill-considered emotion.

No you are the one posting out of ill-considered emotion. 99% of the people in the south did not own a single slave.

Yes, but 40% of the population WERE slaves

That sounds like a number pulled out of a hat... ROFL link?

Like the Great Casey Stengle used to say.......you could look it up

Thanks I looked it up... WOW. I had no idea the slave population was that massive in the south. Almost 50% of the population in GA, WOW. That's messed up.

 

[Unkotare]

Ayup.. slavery in and of itself is not necessarily an evil thing. ....

What...the...fuck...

You are hopeless.

 

[RKMBrown]

No you are the one posting out of ill-considered emotion. 99% of the people in the south did not own a single slave.

I think you are a bit off, but not that far off.

Funny thing about slavery, and the master/slave relationship.

My great however many greats grandfathers slaves stayed right there with him after emancipation, and took his name.

Many still proudly bear that name, even though they know it traces back to Georgia and another time.

Ayup.. slavery in and of itself is not necessarily an evil thing. Trading labor for transport, food, and lodging... sounds like an employment contract. Some forms of slavery are the direct equivalent of payroll taxes and other forms of payroll withdrawals that are done today.

A contract requires agreement of both parties

Ayup... forced contract, like forced payroll tax, that would be an evil part.

You get to vote on the taxes you pay....a slave didn't

I get to vote on the taxes I pay in TX. Federal taxes are not voted on by individual states. They are mandated by people in DC who are elected by people in NY, California, etc. Citizens of conservative states are forced into socialism by citizens of marxist states.

 

[RKMBrown]

Ayup.. slavery in and of itself is not necessarily an evil thing. ....

What...the...fuck...

You are hopeless.

Nah you're just too stupid to look up the definition. Soldiers are essentially slaves to the government after they sign a contract. From time to time we draft soldiers. The draft is sometimes compulsory.

 

[Unkotare]

Ayup.. slavery in and of itself is not necessarily an evil thing. ....

What...the...fuck...

You are hopeless.

Nah you're just too stupid to look up the definition.

Unlike you, I don't need to look up the definition. English is my first language.

 

[RKMBrown]

You see the tyranny in FDR's imprisonment of the Japanese Americans, but fail to see that Lincoln's actions were much worse. One could conclude you think the rights of Japanese Americans are much more important than Southerns. ...

That makes absolutely no sense. Japanese Americans were not trying to destroy the country. They had not taken up arms against the country, and certainly weren't enslaving other people within the country. You are posting out of ill-considered emotion.

No you are the one posting out of ill-considered emotion. 99% of the people in the south did not own a single slave.

Yes, but 40% of the population WERE slaves

That sounds like a number pulled out of a hat... ROFL link?

From the same guy who posted:

99% of the people in the south did not own a single slave.

Irony meter pegged.


Math juuuuuust a bit off too...

>> Almost one-third of all Southern families owned slaves. In Mississippi and South Carolina it approached one half. The total number of slave owners was 385,000 in 1860. Here are the percentages of slaveowning families as a fraction of total free households:

Mississippi: 49%
South Carolina: 46%
Georgia: 37%
Alabama: 35%
Florida: 34%
Louisiana: 29%
Texas: 28%
North Carolina: 28%
Virginia: 26%
Tennessee: 25%
Kentucky: 23%
Arkansas: 20%
Missouri: 13%
Maryland: 12%
Delaware: 3% << (more at the page)​

Pray, what kind of mallet to you use to bang this into "99% did not own slaves"?

I pulled it out of a hat.

 

[rightwinger]

I think you are a bit off, but not that far off.

Funny thing about slavery, and the master/slave relationship.

My great however many greats grandfathers slaves stayed right there with him after emancipation, and took his name.

Many still proudly bear that name, even though they know it traces back to Georgia and another time.

Ayup.. slavery in and of itself is not necessarily an evil thing. Trading labor for transport, food, and lodging... sounds like an employment contract. Some forms of slavery are the direct equivalent of payroll taxes and other forms of payroll withdrawals that are done today.

A contract requires agreement of both parties

Ayup... forced contract, like forced payroll tax, that would be an evil part.

You get to vote on the taxes you pay....a slave didn't

I get to vote on the taxes I pay in TX. Federal taxes are not voted on by individual states. They are mandated by people in DC who are elected by people in NY, California, etc. Citizens of conservative states are forced into socialism by citizens of marxist states.

Last I saw, Texas has two Senators and a shitload of Congressmen all elected by voters in Texas. So yes, you geta say in what taxes are assessed. That is not socialism...it is democracy at its best

 

[RKMBrown]

Ayup.. slavery in and of itself is not necessarily an evil thing. Trading labor for transport, food, and lodging... sounds like an employment contract. Some forms of slavery are the direct equivalent of payroll taxes and other forms of payroll withdrawals that are done today.

A contract requires agreement of both parties

Ayup... forced contract, like forced payroll tax, that would be an evil part.

You get to vote on the taxes you pay....a slave didn't

I get to vote on the taxes I pay in TX. Federal taxes are not voted on by individual states. They are mandated by people in DC who are elected by people in NY, California, etc. Citizens of conservative states are forced into socialism by citizens of marxist states.

Last I saw, Texas has two Senators and a shitload of Congressmen all elected by voters in Texas. So yes, you geta say in what taxes are assessed. That is not socialism...it is democracy at its best

Yeah we'll we were supposed to be a republic... not a democracy.

 

[mudwhistle]

I often wonder why Lincoln is so revered. If you and I were married and you wanted a divorce, would you give me your undying love and loyalty if I used force to prevent you from leaving me and destroyed all your stuff in the process?

Lincoln proved that we are not a free nation, because free nations don't need to be held together by force.

Pretty generic answer.

When a society is free sometimes people abuse their freedoms.

 

[rightwinger]

A contract requires agreement of both parties

Ayup... forced contract, like forced payroll tax, that would be an evil part.

You get to vote on the taxes you pay....a slave didn't

I get to vote on the taxes I pay in TX. Federal taxes are not voted on by individual states. They are mandated by people in DC who are elected by people in NY, California, etc. Citizens of conservative states are forced into socialism by citizens of marxist states.

Last I saw, Texas has two Senators and a shitload of Congressmen all elected by voters in Texas. So yes, you geta say in what taxes are assessed. That is not socialism...it is democracy at its best

Yeah we'll we were supposed to be a republic... not a democracy.

A Republic is an implementation of Democracy

 

[mudwhistle]

I often wonder why Lincoln is so revered. ...

Because he preserved the Union, punished the traitorous Confederate dogs, and set forces in motion that would inevitably and finally end the scourge of slavery in this nation.

So you'd beat your wife half to death and force her to stay married to you to preserve your union? Nice. Bet the women just loooove you.

If she was keeping slaves the bitch deserved it.

 

[gipper]

You see the tyranny in FDR's imprisonment of the Japanese Americans, but fail to see that Lincoln's actions were much worse. One could conclude you think the rights of Japanese Americans are much more important than Southerns. ...

That makes absolutely no sense. Japanese Americans were not trying to destroy the country. They had not taken up arms against the country, and certainly weren't enslaving other people within the country. You are posting out of ill-considered emotion.

It makes a great deal of sense. FDR's actions were unconstitutional and tyrannical, just as was Lincoln's. FDR's tyranny may have been less murderous than Lincoln's, but it was still tyranny. Had the Japanese Americans resisted, they would most certainly have been murdered just as the Southerns were.

FDR believed the Japanese Americans were traitors so he imprisoned them. Lincoln saw Southerns the same way. Had the Japanese Americans been as numerous as the Southerns, they would have fought to prevent their imprisonment, as did the Southerns.

Lincoln invaded the South to keep it in the Union. That is clear to anyone who can think. So, he destroyed what he wanted to keep...and he did so purely for statist reasons...nothing to do with slavery.

 

[mudwhistle]

Washington
Jefferson
Lincoln
Reagan
W

I'd have to drop Lincoln.

Too late.

Another Democrat beat you to it.

 

[rightwinger]

You see the tyranny in FDR's imprisonment of the Japanese Americans, but fail to see that Lincoln's actions were much worse. One could conclude you think the rights of Japanese Americans are much more important than Southerns. ...

That makes absolutely no sense. Japanese Americans were not trying to destroy the country. They had not taken up arms against the country, and certainly weren't enslaving other people within the country. You are posting out of ill-considered emotion.

It makes a great deal of sense. FDR's actions were unconstitutional and tyrannical, just as was Lincoln's. FDR's tyranny may have been less murderous than Lincoln's, but it was still tyranny. Had the Japanese Americans resisted, they would most certainly have been murdered just as the Southerns were.

FDR believed the Japanese Americans were traitors so he imprisoned them. Lincoln saw Southerns the same way. Had the Japanese Americans been as numerous as the Southerns, they would have fought to prevent their imprisonment, as did the Southerns.

Lincoln invaded the South to keep it in the Union. That is clear to anyone who can think. So, he destroyed what he wanted to keep...and he did so purely for statist reasons...nothing to do with slavery.

FDR was a man of his political times. Very few Americans were willing to stand up for the rights of Japanese Americans in 1942. Congress wasn't, the Supreme Court wasn't and FDR wasn't

In retrospect, it was wrong. In 1942 anti-Japanese hystera it made sense