Lindsey Graham wants to protect human life. Others.. not so much

[SweetSue92]

You're free to have lots of children with birth defects.

Dearheart, we already know how you feel about the disabled community, just like we knew how you feel about those Dirty Illegals.

So Graham took the bull by the horns and is exposing that too.

I told you already.

Your game.

Your rules.

You will hate it.

 

[surada]

Dearheart, we already know how you feel about the disabled community, just like we knew how you feel about those Dirty Illegals.

So Graham took the bull by the horns and is exposing that too.

I told you already.

Your game.

Your rules.

You will hate it.

You should live by your rules.

 

[SweetSue92]

You should live by your rules.

Oh no, honey, this is the part where we make you live by YOURS.

Martha's Vineyard was just the start. I think the disabled community--which generally leans left--would be interested to know what you all think of disabled babies in the womb. Don't you?

 

[pknopp]

Then that's a "health of the mother" issue. If the baby is destined to die in vitro or shortly after birth, then the risk of carrying on the pregnancy might not be worth it in terms of risking the mother's health (note: this is not MY argument but from lawmakers/doctors perspective).

Now granted while I have seen no comment on it, overturning RvW may have overturned the arguments in Doe v Bolton also. But then again, maybe not.

Now to my point. That is not the legal definition of "health of the mother". Health of the mother was ruled by the Supreme Court to mean any health issue. Any. Which would include "mental health". So with a mental health carve out a woman could state she was not mentally ready to be a mother.

To cover the above one would need a "fetal abnormality" exemption.

 

[busybee01]

Graham: We Must Have 'National Standard to Prevent Chinese Abortion Policy in Maryland or California'

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said on this week's broadcast of "Fox News Sunday" that he is confident the American people would accept his proposal for a 15-week federal abortion ban with minimal exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother. | Clips

www.breitbart.com

I was watching Fox News earlier and this creepy pro-abortion b**** had many criticisms of Graham's proposal.

She didn't make a lot of sense.. name was Liz Clayburn or something like that.. On Howie Kurtz's show. I was mostly watching Fox for Maria Bartiromo's show.. She's the best.

But anyway, there does need to be a ban after 15 weeks. Some of us say No abortion ever. But I guess that's too "radical"

and people wonder why our world is in the sewer, why it's all about $$ and power in DC and the whole We the People.. governing ourselves is just a bunch of bs anymore. The Ten Commandments became the 10 Suggstions

Politicians should not be interfering with the relationship between a doctor and a woman. This will lead to women dying during pregnancy.

 

[greenerpastures]

People need to be more responsible. Less babies conceived is not a bad thing. Our church has several young married couples who have stated they will not be having kids. No abortions will happen. A courageous choice on their behalf. To this we will all agree.

how can a policy of NO children not imply an abortion may happen?

I say God does not believe in contraception. There is natural family planning which does not require anything artificial. Inserting an artificial barrier to avoid children is a recipe for disaster, as history attests. It is when contraception was widely accepted that we were led toward abortion. Sex for fun and separating the pleasure from the reproductive aspect was predicted by Pope Paul VI to lead to the mass slaughter known as Roe. But who listens to the pope anymore? Now that there is a heretic in the Vatican, people will listen even less--though this time, they are right not to listen to the pope.

In any case, truth doesn't change, God doesn't change. Our need for Jesus does not change. All humans must embrace Jesus and obey Him or they will end up in Hell. Sounds simplistic but it happens to be the truth

 

[greenerpastures]

Politicians should not be interfering with the relationship between a doctor and a woman. This will lead to women dying during pregnancy.

The state's primary objective is to protect its citizens, which includes those who cannot protect themselves, especially innocent children (who cannot vote)

 

[initforme]

how can a policy of NO children not imply an abortion may happen?

I say God does not believe in contraception. There is natural family planning which does not require anything artificial. Inserting an artificial barrier to avoid children is a recipe for disaster, as history attests. It is when contraception was widely accepted that we were led toward abortion. Sex for fun and separating the pleasure from the reproductive aspect was predicted by Pope Paul VI to lead to the mass slaughter known as Roe. But who listens to the pope anymore? Now that there is a heretic in the Vatican, people will listen even less--though this time, they are right not to listen to the pope.

In any case, truth doesn't change, God doesn't change. Our need for Jesus does not change. All humans must embrace Jesus and obey Him or they will end up in Hell. Sounds simplistic but it happens to be the truth

Perhaps contraception is a gift from god. A true way of abolishing abortion. Less babies conceived could be a huge massive positive.

 

[greenerpastures]

Perhaps contraception is a gift from god. A true way of abolishing abortion. Less babies conceived could be a huge massive positive.

wrong
'
It seems counter-intuitive to say this line of reasoning is wrong but it is wrong

As the pope predicted in the 60s, contraception would (did) lead to abortion.

you get it into your head that having a child is the end of the world, then abortion is the only "logical" answer when your contraceptives fail-- even though it is murder (but just legalize it and then it is OK)

 

[initforme]

The perfect solution is alot less babies conceived. But of course you will find something wrong with that. You want people having kids they do not want or cannot afford.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Europe's Abortion limit in weeks:

Country name	Time limit for abortion on demand or on broad social grounds	References
Austria	“First three months”	Penal Code, Section 97 (1974) (German)
Belgium	12	Penal Code Chapter 2 Article 2 (French).
Bulgaria	12	Decree No. 2 on the conditions and procedures for the artificial termination of pregnancy (1990).
Croatia	10	Law No. 1252-1978 , Article 15 (1978).
Cyprus	12	Criminal Code of Cyprus (Sections 167-169 and 169A) as amended by Law No 59 (1974) and Law No 186 (1986) (no retrievable and entirely up-to-date version online).
Czech Republic	12	Law 66, Section 2(1) (1986).
Denmark (Mainland)	12	Law No. 350, Chapter 1, Section 1 (1973).
Estonia	11	Abortion and Sterilization Act, Chapter 2, Section 6 (1998)
Finland	12	Law 239, Section 5 (1970).
France	14	Code de la Santé Publique (Public Health Code) Article L2212 (2022)-1).
Germany	12	Strafgesetzbuch (German Criminal Code), Sections 218-218a (1992).
Greece	12	The Greek Criminal Code, Article 304 (No direct online access) (1986).
Hungary	12	Act LXXIX on the protection of fetal life, Section 6 (1992)
Ireland	12	Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018, Section 12 (2018).
Italy	12	Law 194, Article 6 (1978).
Latvia	12	Sexual and Reproductive Health Law, Chapter VI, Section 25 (1) (2002).
Lithuania	12	Order No. 50, Section 1.1 (1994).
Luxembourg	12	Law of December 17, 2014 amending 1) the Penal Code and 2) the law of November 15, 1978, Article 12 (2014).
Malta	None: abortion is entirely prohibited.	Criminal Code, Articles 241-243. According to the Maltese Government: “Should the mother’s life be in danger, all efforts are made to save both lives, and the double effect principle applies, such as in ectopic pregnancy.”
Netherlands	24 (22 in practice)	Criminal Code, Articles 82a and 296). According to the Government of the Netherlands, “An abortion may be performed up to the time when the foetus is viable outside the mother’s body. Under the Criminal Code, this is 24 weeks. In practice, doctors apply a two-week margin of error, and stick to a time limit of 22 weeks.”
Poland	Abortion not available on demand or on broad social grounds. It is only available on narrow grounds, when pregnancy poses a threat to the life or health of the woman or in cases of rape or incest	Act on Family Planning, Protection of the Human Fetus, and Conditions for Pregnancy Termination (1993) and Judgement of the Constitutional Court of October 22, 2020 reference number act K 1/20(2020)).
Portugal	10	Código Penal (Criminal Code), Articles 140-142 (2007) (Portuguese with English translation available).
Romania	14	Noul Cod Penal (The New Penal Code), Article 201 (2014) (Romanian with English translation available).
Slovakia	12	Act No. 73/1986 Coll. on Artificial Interruption of Pregnancy, as amended by Act No. 419/1991 Coll., Section 4 (1993).
Slovenia	10	Law No. 1252-1978, Article 15 (1978). Note: This is the same abortion law as exists in Croatia since both were part of Yugoslavia when the law was passed in 1978
Spain	14	Organic Law 2/2010 on Sexual and Reproductive Health and the Voluntary Interruption of Pregnancy, Article 14 (2010) (Spanish with English translation).
Sweden	18	Lag om abort (Abortlagen), Section 1 (Abortion Law) (1974) (Swedish with English translation