Lindsey Graham: Trump Leading Because 40% Of GOP Voters Think Obama Is Kenyan Muslim

[bripat9643]

The only "official document" that matters is Obama's birth certificate. The rest is just political bullshit.

Says you, citing you. Which is pseudo-legal gibbber jabber. Back in reality, official documents from Hawaii are prima facie evidence in any court of law. You can get a passport with them.

See how that works? Your willful ignorance is gloriously irrelevant to any legal document.

Your "official documents" are nothing more than the unsubstantiated claims politicians, that is, of professional liars. They are evidenced of nothing.

Says you, citing yourself. Which is meaningless.

Back in reality, a COLB is prima facie evidence in any court of law. And you can use it to get a passport.

Is there anything to you but willful ignorance? Do you have anything else, birther?

No one has seen the COLB. The lying politicians claim they have seen it, but there's no credible proof of that. We only have their word for it.

FactCheck.org not only saw it, they took pictures that you can look at right now.

Born in the U.S.A.

But of course, you're a birther. So if they contradict you, you'll ignore them too.

The State of Hawaii also affirmed that the COLB was issued to Obama. With the Registar and Director of the Department of Health both affirming that Obama was born in Hawaii.

You ignore any source that contradicts you.

So? You're nobody. Your willful ignorance has no relevance to this issue. It doesn't matter what you ignore. The evidence is just as overwhelming, Birther.

How did they see it if it's illegal for the state of Hawaii to release it? You're having a hard time keeping your lies straight.

Politicians "affirmed it." Their word is totally worthless.

 

[bripat9643]

Allow me to quote the entire statute for you. You will note there are a large number of people who are qualified to view the document. The first person on the list is the "registrant," i.e., Barack Hussein Obama:

Haw. Rev. Stat. § 338-18 : Hawaii Statutes - Section 338-18: Disclosure of records.

(a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.
(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:


(1) The registrant;


(2) The spouse of the registrant;


(3) A parent of the registrant;


(4) A descendant of the registrant;


(5) A person having a common ancestor with the registrant;


(6) A legal guardian of the registrant;


(7) A person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;


(8) A personal representative of the registrant's estate;


(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;


(10) Adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and who need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted child's natural or legal parents;


(11) A person who needs to determine the marital status of a former spouse in order to determine the payment of alimony;


(12) A person who needs to determine the death of a nonrelated co-owner of property purchased under a joint tenancy agreement; and


(13) A person who needs a death certificate for the determination of payments under a credit insurance policy.


(c) The department may permit the use [of] the data contained in public health statistical records for research purposes only, but no identifying use thereof shall be made.


(d) Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public.


(e) The department may permit persons working on genealogy projects access to microfilm or other copies of vital records of events that occurred more than seventy-five years prior to the current year.


(f) Subject to this section, the department may direct its local agents to make a return upon filing of birth, death, and fetal death certificates with them, of certain data shown to federal, state, territorial, county, or municipal agencies. Payment by these agencies for these services may be made as the department shall direct.


(g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is:


(1) A person who has a direct and tangible interest in the record but requests a verification in lieu of a certified copy;


(2) A governmental agency or organization who for a legitimate government purpose maintains and needs to update official lists of persons in the ordinary course of the agency's or organization's activities;


(3) A governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks confirmation of a certified copy of any such record submitted in support of or information provided about a vital event relating to any such record and contained in an official application made in the ordinary course of the agency's or organization's activities by an individual seeking employment with, entrance to, or the services or products of the agency or organization;


(4) A private or government attorney who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record which was acquired during the course of or for purposes of legal proceedings; or


(5) An individual employed, endorsed, or sponsored by a governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record in preparation of reports or publications by the agency or organization for research or educational purposes. [L 1949, c 327, §22; RL 1955, §57-21; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; am L 1967, c 30, §2; HRS §338-18; am L 1977, c 118, §1; am L 1991, c 190, §1; am L 1997, c 305, §5; am L 2001, c 246, §2]

- See more at: Haw. Rev. Stat. § 338-18 : Hawaii Statutes - Section 338-18: Disclosure of records.​

And where, pray tell, is your imaginary 'consent' exception?

Remember, you still haven't read it and weren't aware it even existed until we told you....about 20 minutes ago.

Are you illiterate? I just posted it.

Then where did it say that with the consent of the registrant, that anyone can inspect it?

No where. You made that up. The word 'consent' isn't listed anywhere in the law. Your 'exception' is imaginary nonsense. You're literally hallucinating passages that don't exist. While ignoring those laws that do exist.

Self delusion matched with willful ignorance is the entirety of the birther argument.

You are in incurable moron. Tell us what you think this means:

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

(1) The registrant;​

What do you think "unless" means?

That means that the registrant can inspect the records.

Your claim was that with the registrants consent, ANYONE could inspect the records.

You're hallucinating. The law says no such thing. And you know it.

He can also get a certified copy with the official state seal on it and show it to whomever he likes. Furthermore, the law includes a long list of people and agencies who are entitled to see it and get copies of it.

Why hasn't Obama every produced a copy with the official state seal embossed on it?

That's purely a rhetorical question.

 

[Skylar]

Says you, citing you. Which is pseudo-legal gibbber jabber. Back in reality, official documents from Hawaii are prima facie evidence in any court of law. You can get a passport with them.

See how that works? Your willful ignorance is gloriously irrelevant to any legal document.

Your "official documents" are nothing more than the unsubstantiated claims politicians, that is, of professional liars. They are evidenced of nothing.

Says you, citing yourself. Which is meaningless.

Back in reality, a COLB is prima facie evidence in any court of law. And you can use it to get a passport.

Is there anything to you but willful ignorance? Do you have anything else, birther?

No one has seen the COLB. The lying politicians claim they have seen it, but there's no credible proof of that. We only have their word for it.

FactCheck.org not only saw it, they took pictures that you can look at right now.

Born in the U.S.A.

But of course, you're a birther. So if they contradict you, you'll ignore them too.

The State of Hawaii also affirmed that the COLB was issued to Obama. With the Registar and Director of the Department of Health both affirming that Obama was born in Hawaii.

You ignore any source that contradicts you.

So? You're nobody. Your willful ignorance has no relevance to this issue. It doesn't matter what you ignore. The evidence is just as overwhelming, Birther.

How did they see it if it's illegal for the state of Hawaii to release it? You're having a hard time keeping your lies straight.

Who is 'they'? We've already determined that your 'if Obama gives consent, the document can be inspected' bullshit was meaningless jibber jabber. So you'll need to explain your latest piece of pseudo-legal gibberish.

Politicians "affirmed it." Their word is totally worthless.

Says you. Yet the Registar of Hawaii's affirmation was recognized as legally authoritative by both the Secretary of State of Arizona and the courts.

Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Making 'you citing you' meaningless noise.

 

[Skylar]

And where, pray tell, is your imaginary 'consent' exception?

Remember, you still haven't read it and weren't aware it even existed until we told you....about 20 minutes ago.

Are you illiterate? I just posted it.

Then where did it say that with the consent of the registrant, that anyone can inspect it?

No where. You made that up. The word 'consent' isn't listed anywhere in the law. Your 'exception' is imaginary nonsense. You're literally hallucinating passages that don't exist. While ignoring those laws that do exist.

Self delusion matched with willful ignorance is the entirety of the birther argument.

You are in incurable moron. Tell us what you think this means:

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

(1) The registrant;​

What do you think "unless" means?

That means that the registrant can inspect the records.

Your claim was that with the registrants consent, ANYONE could inspect the records.

You're hallucinating. The law says no such thing. And you know it.

He can also get a certified copy with the official state seal on it and show it to whomever he likes.

Which he did. The State Seal in on the document inspected by Factcheck.org. With pictures anyone can verify.

You'll ignore them all of course. As you ignore everything and everyone who contradicts you.

Um....so?

 

[bripat9643]

Your "official documents" are nothing more than the unsubstantiated claims politicians, that is, of professional liars. They are evidenced of nothing.

Says you, citing yourself. Which is meaningless.

Back in reality, a COLB is prima facie evidence in any court of law. And you can use it to get a passport.

Is there anything to you but willful ignorance? Do you have anything else, birther?

No one has seen the COLB. The lying politicians claim they have seen it, but there's no credible proof of that. We only have their word for it.

FactCheck.org not only saw it, they took pictures that you can look at right now.

Born in the U.S.A.

But of course, you're a birther. So if they contradict you, you'll ignore them too.

The State of Hawaii also affirmed that the COLB was issued to Obama. With the Registar and Director of the Department of Health both affirming that Obama was born in Hawaii.

You ignore any source that contradicts you.

So? You're nobody. Your willful ignorance has no relevance to this issue. It doesn't matter what you ignore. The evidence is just as overwhelming, Birther.

How did they see it if it's illegal for the state of Hawaii to release it? You're having a hard time keeping your lies straight.

Who is 'they'? We've already determined that your 'if Obama gives consent, the document can be inspected' bullshit was meaningless jibber jabber. So you'll need to explain your latest piece of pseudo-legal gibberish.

Politicians "affirmed it." Their word is totally worthless.

Says you. Yet the Registar of Hawaii's affirmation was recognized as legally authoritative by both the Secretary of State of Arizona and the courts.

Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Making 'you citing you' meaningless noise.

I've been on enough round trips on this wheel of circular logic. Anyone who isn't a moron can see for himself that no proof of Obama's birth in Hawaii has ever been produced.

 

[Londoner]

The OPs thread speaks to an even deeper problem.

With the rise of talk radio, the Republican Party started doing a massive outreach program to low-information voters who generally lacked a solid college education.

The GOP pulled these people in using religion, patriotism, national security, and the culture war. They appealed to values rather than policy (which works better for people that don't have the time and required literacy to understand complex trade policies or complex geopolitical issues).

The group targeted by the GOP also feels left behind by a changing world that doesn't include them. They've watched America go from its powerful postwar dominance (with a majority white population that enjoyed upward mobility) to a multiracial nation where they can't get ahead.

The GOP gives these angry white people a political home, along with a nice long list of scapegoats.

The only thing these people know is that they want their country back, but they lack the policy knowledge to get there. So they vote on attitude over substance.

Trump - a man who knows dangerous little policy - gives them attitude. He speaks to their carefully crafted anti-government anger. He gives them their Mexican and Muslim scapegoats. He talks tough. He has attitude. These voters don't know policy and they can't tell you the difference between a Sunni and Shiite. They can't tell you the first thing about the Syrian Civil War. They just want a tough, straight talking "Dear Leader" to fix it.

They are well meaning, but they are stupid. They are going to destroy this country with a Cruz/Trump ticket.

The Republican investment in low-information voters had come home to roost.

If you think Bush destroyed the economy and left the Middle East as an unstable nightmare, you ain't seen nothing yet.

The real demagogues are coming.

 

[Skylar]

Says you, citing yourself. Which is meaningless.

Back in reality, a COLB is prima facie evidence in any court of law. And you can use it to get a passport.

Is there anything to you but willful ignorance? Do you have anything else, birther?

No one has seen the COLB. The lying politicians claim they have seen it, but there's no credible proof of that. We only have their word for it.

FactCheck.org not only saw it, they took pictures that you can look at right now.

Born in the U.S.A.

But of course, you're a birther. So if they contradict you, you'll ignore them too.

The State of Hawaii also affirmed that the COLB was issued to Obama. With the Registar and Director of the Department of Health both affirming that Obama was born in Hawaii.

You ignore any source that contradicts you.

So? You're nobody. Your willful ignorance has no relevance to this issue. It doesn't matter what you ignore. The evidence is just as overwhelming, Birther.

How did they see it if it's illegal for the state of Hawaii to release it? You're having a hard time keeping your lies straight.

Who is 'they'? We've already determined that your 'if Obama gives consent, the document can be inspected' bullshit was meaningless jibber jabber. So you'll need to explain your latest piece of pseudo-legal gibberish.

Politicians "affirmed it." Their word is totally worthless.

Says you. Yet the Registar of Hawaii's affirmation was recognized as legally authoritative by both the Secretary of State of Arizona and the courts.

Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Making 'you citing you' meaningless noise.

I've been on enough round trips on this wheel of circular logic. Anyone who isn't a moron can see for himself that no proof of Obama's birth in Hawaii has ever been produced.

And by 'circular logic', you mean you just ignoring any evidence that doesn't match your silly little conspiracy?

Remember, you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[bripat9643]

Are you illiterate? I just posted it.

Then where did it say that with the consent of the registrant, that anyone can inspect it?

No where. You made that up. The word 'consent' isn't listed anywhere in the law. Your 'exception' is imaginary nonsense. You're literally hallucinating passages that don't exist. While ignoring those laws that do exist.

Self delusion matched with willful ignorance is the entirety of the birther argument.

You are in incurable moron. Tell us what you think this means:

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

(1) The registrant;​

What do you think "unless" means?

That means that the registrant can inspect the records.

Your claim was that with the registrants consent, ANYONE could inspect the records.

You're hallucinating. The law says no such thing. And you know it.

He can also get a certified copy with the official state seal on it and show it to whomever he likes.

Which he did. The State Seal in on the document inspected by Factcheck.org. With pictures anyone can verify.

You'll ignore them all of course. As you ignore everything and everyone who contradicts you.

Um....so?

Really? Below is the photo you are referring to. Please point out the EMBOSSED state seal:

 

[Skylar]

Then where did it say that with the consent of the registrant, that anyone can inspect it?

No where. You made that up. The word 'consent' isn't listed anywhere in the law. Your 'exception' is imaginary nonsense. You're literally hallucinating passages that don't exist. While ignoring those laws that do exist.

Self delusion matched with willful ignorance is the entirety of the birther argument.

You are in incurable moron. Tell us what you think this means:

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

(1) The registrant;​

What do you think "unless" means?

That means that the registrant can inspect the records.

Your claim was that with the registrants consent, ANYONE could inspect the records.

You're hallucinating. The law says no such thing. And you know it.

He can also get a certified copy with the official state seal on it and show it to whomever he likes.

Which he did. The State Seal in on the document inspected by Factcheck.org. With pictures anyone can verify.

You'll ignore them all of course. As you ignore everything and everyone who contradicts you.

Um....so?

Really? Below is the photo you are referring to. Please point out the EMBOSSED state seal:

You say its fake. Yet the State of Hawaii affirmed that every bit of information on it is accurate.

So....a 100% accurate forgery? Again, that's the stupidest fucking thing I'ver heard.

Your entire argument is willful ignorance. But your willful ignorance isn't a legal standard. Nor has thing to do with Obama's eligibility. As demonstrated by Obama entering the final year of his presidency.

 

[bripat9643]

No one has seen the COLB. The lying politicians claim they have seen it, but there's no credible proof of that. We only have their word for it.

FactCheck.org not only saw it, they took pictures that you can look at right now.

Born in the U.S.A.

But of course, you're a birther. So if they contradict you, you'll ignore them too.

The State of Hawaii also affirmed that the COLB was issued to Obama. With the Registar and Director of the Department of Health both affirming that Obama was born in Hawaii.

You ignore any source that contradicts you.

So? You're nobody. Your willful ignorance has no relevance to this issue. It doesn't matter what you ignore. The evidence is just as overwhelming, Birther.

How did they see it if it's illegal for the state of Hawaii to release it? You're having a hard time keeping your lies straight.

Who is 'they'? We've already determined that your 'if Obama gives consent, the document can be inspected' bullshit was meaningless jibber jabber. So you'll need to explain your latest piece of pseudo-legal gibberish.

Politicians "affirmed it." Their word is totally worthless.

Says you. Yet the Registar of Hawaii's affirmation was recognized as legally authoritative by both the Secretary of State of Arizona and the courts.

Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Making 'you citing you' meaningless noise.

I've been on enough round trips on this wheel of circular logic. Anyone who isn't a moron can see for himself that no proof of Obama's birth in Hawaii has ever been produced.

And by 'circular logic', you mean you just ignoring any evidence that doesn't match your silly little conspiracy?

Remember, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I ignore obvious bullshit that you repeat over and over and over again.

 

[Skylar]

FactCheck.org not only saw it, they took pictures that you can look at right now.

Born in the U.S.A.

But of course, you're a birther. So if they contradict you, you'll ignore them too.

The State of Hawaii also affirmed that the COLB was issued to Obama. With the Registar and Director of the Department of Health both affirming that Obama was born in Hawaii.

You ignore any source that contradicts you.

So? You're nobody. Your willful ignorance has no relevance to this issue. It doesn't matter what you ignore. The evidence is just as overwhelming, Birther.

How did they see it if it's illegal for the state of Hawaii to release it? You're having a hard time keeping your lies straight.

Who is 'they'? We've already determined that your 'if Obama gives consent, the document can be inspected' bullshit was meaningless jibber jabber. So you'll need to explain your latest piece of pseudo-legal gibberish.

Politicians "affirmed it." Their word is totally worthless.

Says you. Yet the Registar of Hawaii's affirmation was recognized as legally authoritative by both the Secretary of State of Arizona and the courts.

Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Making 'you citing you' meaningless noise.

I've been on enough round trips on this wheel of circular logic. Anyone who isn't a moron can see for himself that no proof of Obama's birth in Hawaii has ever been produced.

And by 'circular logic', you mean you just ignoring any evidence that doesn't match your silly little conspiracy?

Remember, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I ignore obvious bullshit that you repeat over and over and over again.

And your assessment of 'obvious bullshit' is meaningless. As demonstrated by the courts recognition of the State of Hawaii's affirmation of Obama's birth as legally authoritative.

See how that works? You're nobody. You ignoring the evidence means nothing.

 

[bripat9643]

You are in incurable moron. Tell us what you think this means:

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

(1) The registrant;​

What do you think "unless" means?

That means that the registrant can inspect the records.

Your claim was that with the registrants consent, ANYONE could inspect the records.

You're hallucinating. The law says no such thing. And you know it.

He can also get a certified copy with the official state seal on it and show it to whomever he likes.

Which he did. The State Seal in on the document inspected by Factcheck.org. With pictures anyone can verify.

You'll ignore them all of course. As you ignore everything and everyone who contradicts you.

Um....so?

Really? Below is the photo you are referring to. Please point out the EMBOSSED state seal:

You say its fake. Yet the State of Hawaii affirmed that every bit of information on it is accurate.

So....a 100% accurate forgery? Again, that's the stupidest fucking thing I'ver heard.

Your entire argument is willful ignorance. But your willful ignorance isn't a legal standard. Nor has thing to do with Obama's eligibility. As demonstrated by Obama entering the final year of his presidency.

PC Free Zone

The Hawaiian certification of live birth Barack Obama posted on his campaign website and distributed to select news organizations as proof he was a "natural born citizen" would not be accepted as a "birth certificate" even for some Hawaiian state government eligibility issues.

The investigation follows a Honolulu Star Bulletin column Saturday, which quotes a state Department of Health spokeswoman as saying the state's current certification of live birth is recognized "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."

The website of the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands, however, states clearly the certification of live birth touted by the Obama campaign, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs and a host of other Obama defenders is not acceptable as a form of identification to qualify under this program.

Obama's "citizenship" was never the question raised during the campaign or after the election. The issue raised by WND has consistently been that Obama failed to prove he was actually born in Hawaii and thus constitutionally qualified to become president as a "natural born citizen" – which requires that the birth took place in the United States.

The qualifications for the Hawaiian Home Lands program require a certified copy of a standard birth certificate – also known as the "long-form certificate" filled out in the hospital and including details such as the name of the hospital and the attending physician.

"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green," the qualifications state. "This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

According to Hawaii's Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo, the state only issues "certifications" of live births since 2001 when the health department went paperless. It is only available in electronic form, she said.

"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she is quoted as telling the Star Bulletin. "The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.

She did not explain how those needing a standard long-form birth certificate to qualify for programs such as those offered by the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands or to establish proof of eligibility to be president could be fulfilled. She said the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements." She did not, however, cite any specific rulings, and the Supreme Court has not taken up the issue of whether the certification of live birth would qualify a presidential candidate as eligible under the "natural born citizen" clause. ​

 

[bripat9643]

You are in incurable moron. Tell us what you think this means:

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

(1) The registrant;​

What do you think "unless" means?

That means that the registrant can inspect the records.

Your claim was that with the registrants consent, ANYONE could inspect the records.

You're hallucinating. The law says no such thing. And you know it.

He can also get a certified copy with the official state seal on it and show it to whomever he likes.

Which he did. The State Seal in on the document inspected by Factcheck.org. With pictures anyone can verify.

You'll ignore them all of course. As you ignore everything and everyone who contradicts you.

Um....so?

Really? Below is the photo you are referring to. Please point out the EMBOSSED state seal:

You say its fake. Yet the State of Hawaii affirmed that every bit of information on it is accurate.

So....a 100% accurate forgery? Again, that's the stupidest fucking thing I'ver heard.

Your entire argument is willful ignorance. But your willful ignorance isn't a legal standard. Nor has thing to do with Obama's eligibility. As demonstrated by Obama entering the final year of his presidency.

You failed to point out the embossed state seal.

 

[bripat9643]

How did they see it if it's illegal for the state of Hawaii to release it? You're having a hard time keeping your lies straight.

Who is 'they'? We've already determined that your 'if Obama gives consent, the document can be inspected' bullshit was meaningless jibber jabber. So you'll need to explain your latest piece of pseudo-legal gibberish.

Politicians "affirmed it." Their word is totally worthless.

Says you. Yet the Registar of Hawaii's affirmation was recognized as legally authoritative by both the Secretary of State of Arizona and the courts.

Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Making 'you citing you' meaningless noise.

I've been on enough round trips on this wheel of circular logic. Anyone who isn't a moron can see for himself that no proof of Obama's birth in Hawaii has ever been produced.

And by 'circular logic', you mean you just ignoring any evidence that doesn't match your silly little conspiracy?

Remember, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I ignore obvious bullshit that you repeat over and over and over again.

And your assessment of 'obvious bullshit' is meaningless. As demonstrated by the courts recognition of the State of Hawaii's affirmation of Obama's birth as legally authoritative.

See how that works? You're nobody. You ignoring the evidence means nothing.

When did any court recognize the State of Hawaii's affirmation of Obama's birth as legally authoritative?

 

[Skylar]

That means that the registrant can inspect the records.

Your claim was that with the registrants consent, ANYONE could inspect the records.

You're hallucinating. The law says no such thing. And you know it.

He can also get a certified copy with the official state seal on it and show it to whomever he likes.

Which he did. The State Seal in on the document inspected by Factcheck.org. With pictures anyone can verify.

You'll ignore them all of course. As you ignore everything and everyone who contradicts you.

Um....so?

Really? Below is the photo you are referring to. Please point out the EMBOSSED state seal:

You say its fake. Yet the State of Hawaii affirmed that every bit of information on it is accurate.

So....a 100% accurate forgery? Again, that's the stupidest fucking thing I'ver heard.

Your entire argument is willful ignorance. But your willful ignorance isn't a legal standard. Nor has thing to do with Obama's eligibility. As demonstrated by Obama entering the final year of his presidency.

PC Free Zone

The Hawaiian certification of live birth Barack Obama posted on his campaign website and distributed to select news organizations as proof he was a "natural born citizen" would not be accepted as a "birth certificate" even for some Hawaiian state government eligibility issues.

It would affirm Obama's place of birth in any court of law, as its prima facie evidence.

Worse for you, you could use it to get a passport. Which, per US law, is proof of citizenship and place of birth.

Try again. All you have is willful ignorance.

 

[bripat9643]

The OPs thread speaks to an even deeper problem.

With the rise of talk radio, the Republican Party started doing a massive outreach program to low-information voters who generally lacked a solid college education.

The GOP pulled these people in using religion, patriotism, national security, and the culture war. They appealed to values rather than policy (which works better for people that don't have the time and required literacy to understand complex trade policies or complex geopolitical issues).

The group targeted by the GOP also feels left behind by a changing world that doesn't include them. They've watched America go from its powerful postwar dominance (with a majority white population that enjoyed upward mobility) to a multiracial nation where they can't get ahead.

The GOP gives these angry white people a political home, along with a nice long list of scapegoats.

The only thing these people know is that they want their country back, but they lack the policy knowledge to get there. So they vote on attitude over substance.

Trump - a man who knows dangerous little policy - gives them attitude. He speaks to their carefully crafted anti-government anger. He gives them their Mexican and Muslim scapegoats. He talks tough. He has attitude. These voters don't know policy and they can't tell you the difference between a Sunni and Shiite. They can't tell you the first thing about the Syrian Civil War. They just want a tough, straight talking "Dear Leader" to fix it.

They are well meaning, but they are stupid. They are going to destroy this country with a Cruz/Trump ticket.

The Republican investment in low-information voters had come home to roost.

If you think Bush destroyed the economy and left the Middle East as an unstable nightmare, you ain't seen nothing yet.

The real demagogues are coming.

That's just one long boring ad hominem. There isn't an iota of substance of a falsifiable claim in the entire thing. That's your modus operandi.

 

[Skylar]

That means that the registrant can inspect the records.

Your claim was that with the registrants consent, ANYONE could inspect the records.

You're hallucinating. The law says no such thing. And you know it.

He can also get a certified copy with the official state seal on it and show it to whomever he likes.

Which he did. The State Seal in on the document inspected by Factcheck.org. With pictures anyone can verify.

You'll ignore them all of course. As you ignore everything and everyone who contradicts you.

Um....so?

Really? Below is the photo you are referring to. Please point out the EMBOSSED state seal:

You say its fake. Yet the State of Hawaii affirmed that every bit of information on it is accurate.

So....a 100% accurate forgery? Again, that's the stupidest fucking thing I'ver heard.

Your entire argument is willful ignorance. But your willful ignorance isn't a legal standard. Nor has thing to do with Obama's eligibility. As demonstrated by Obama entering the final year of his presidency.

You failed to point out the embossed state seal.

Its the third picture on the FactCheck.org website, taken from an angle so the official seal is visible.

Born in the U.S.A.

Which I've already provided you. And you've already ignored. As you don't care if the Seal is there, just like you didn't care about the law preventing just anyone from inspecting Hawaii's original vital records.

So far you've ignored *everything* you've asked for. Why? You're a birther. Willful ignorance is all there is to you.

 

[bripat9643]

He can also get a certified copy with the official state seal on it and show it to whomever he likes.

Which he did. The State Seal in on the document inspected by Factcheck.org. With pictures anyone can verify.

You'll ignore them all of course. As you ignore everything and everyone who contradicts you.

Um....so?

Really? Below is the photo you are referring to. Please point out the EMBOSSED state seal:

You say its fake. Yet the State of Hawaii affirmed that every bit of information on it is accurate.

So....a 100% accurate forgery? Again, that's the stupidest fucking thing I'ver heard.

Your entire argument is willful ignorance. But your willful ignorance isn't a legal standard. Nor has thing to do with Obama's eligibility. As demonstrated by Obama entering the final year of his presidency.

PC Free Zone

The Hawaiian certification of live birth Barack Obama posted on his campaign website and distributed to select news organizations as proof he was a "natural born citizen" would not be accepted as a "birth certificate" even for some Hawaiian state government eligibility issues.

It would affirm Obama's place of birth in any court of law, as its prima facie evidence.

Worse for you, you could use it to get a passport. Which, per US law, is proof of citizenship and place of birth.

Try again. All you have is willful ignorance.

hmmm, no it wouldn't. That's a bald faced lie, or it's pure ignorance.

 

[bripat9643]

He can also get a certified copy with the official state seal on it and show it to whomever he likes.

Which he did. The State Seal in on the document inspected by Factcheck.org. With pictures anyone can verify.

You'll ignore them all of course. As you ignore everything and everyone who contradicts you.

Um....so?

Really? Below is the photo you are referring to. Please point out the EMBOSSED state seal:

You say its fake. Yet the State of Hawaii affirmed that every bit of information on it is accurate.

So....a 100% accurate forgery? Again, that's the stupidest fucking thing I'ver heard.

Your entire argument is willful ignorance. But your willful ignorance isn't a legal standard. Nor has thing to do with Obama's eligibility. As demonstrated by Obama entering the final year of his presidency.

You failed to point out the embossed state seal.

Its the third picture on the FactCheck.org website, taken from an angle so the official seal is visible.

Born in the U.S.A.

Which I've already provided you. And you've already ignored. As you don't care if the Seal is there, just like you didn't care about the law preventing just anyone from inspecting Hawaii's original vital records.

So far you've ignored *everything* you've asked for. Why? You're a birther. Willful ignorance is all there is to you.

Then post it, asshole. You know how to post a link to a photo, don't you?

 

[Skylar]

Who is 'they'? We've already determined that your 'if Obama gives consent, the document can be inspected' bullshit was meaningless jibber jabber. So you'll need to explain your latest piece of pseudo-legal gibberish.

Says you. Yet the Registar of Hawaii's affirmation was recognized as legally authoritative by both the Secretary of State of Arizona and the courts.

Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Making 'you citing you' meaningless noise.

I've been on enough round trips on this wheel of circular logic. Anyone who isn't a moron can see for himself that no proof of Obama's birth in Hawaii has ever been produced.

And by 'circular logic', you mean you just ignoring any evidence that doesn't match your silly little conspiracy?

Remember, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I ignore obvious bullshit that you repeat over and over and over again.

And your assessment of 'obvious bullshit' is meaningless. As demonstrated by the courts recognition of the State of Hawaii's affirmation of Obama's birth as legally authoritative.

See how that works? You're nobody. You ignoring the evidence means nothing.

When did any court recognize the State of Hawaii's affirmation of Obama's birth as legally authoritative?

Would it matter? You asked for the law preventing just anyone from viewing Hawaii's records.

You ignored it.

You asked for the State Seal on Obama's COLB. I showed it to you.

You ignored it.

The COLB was presented to you.

You ignored it

An image of the original birth certificate was presented to you.

You ignored it.

The Director of Health of Hawaii confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii.

You ignored her.

The Registar of Hawaii confirmed Obama was born in Hawaii.

You ignored him.

The Secretary of State of Arizona confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii.

You ignored him too.

But this time its gonna be different? There's nothing to you but willful ignorance. You have ignored everything you've asked for, without exception.