like Obama, Joe Biden’s Obsession With Bipartisanship Doomed His Presidency From the Start

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i agree completely with this

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Joe Biden’s obsession with bipartisanship for its own sake made him a risky bet as leader. Now, with the prospects of the Build Back Better bill seemingly unraveling, it may have unraveled his presidency.

Officially, the Build Back Better (BBB) bill, once the centerpiece of Joe Biden and the Democrats’ ambitions, has merely been “shelved.” But with West Virginia senator Joe Manchin now nickel-and-diming Biden on even extending the Child Tax Credit — meant to be the most popular and uncontroversial part of the party’s agenda, and to date the only major new policy introduced by Biden — it’s hard to see how it could make a comeback between now and the midterms.

Of the many themes that thread their way through Biden’s history, two stick out. One is the vocal hostility to (nonmilitary) deficit spending and obsession with government debt that he was known for during his long decade in the Senate. The other is his almost total inability to stand up to the Right, usually by being steamrolled by Republican negotiators (a failure he’s then tended to cast as the noble art of compromise), or in the form of a hokey belief in bipartisanship for its own sake.
 
When Obama was trying to pass Obamacare the Republicans' said they wanted to participate and have a say. That was when Obama noted that they can come along but they had to get in the back. He never tried to be bipartisan. It was Obama that said "elections have consequences".
 

i agree completely with this

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Joe Biden’s obsession with bipartisanship for its own sake made him a risky bet as leader. Now, with the prospects of the Build Back Better bill seemingly unraveling, it may have unraveled his presidency.

Officially, the Build Back Better (BBB) bill, once the centerpiece of Joe Biden and the Democrats’ ambitions, has merely been “shelved.” But with West Virginia senator Joe Manchin now nickel-and-diming Biden on even extending the Child Tax Credit — meant to be the most popular and uncontroversial part of the party’s agenda, and to date the only major new policy introduced by Biden — it’s hard to see how it could make a comeback between now and the midterms.

Of the many themes that thread their way through Biden’s history, two stick out. One is the vocal hostility to (nonmilitary) deficit spending and obsession with government debt that he was known for during his long decade in the Senate. The other is his almost total inability to stand up to the Right, usually by being steamrolled by Republican negotiators (a failure he’s then tended to cast as the noble art of compromise), or in the form of a hokey belief in bipartisanship for its own sake.
I don't.
 
I guess people forgot Obama telling republicans they can come along but they must stay in the back of the bus....how ironic that the two men who have created the most division and hatred and mistrust in America in a 100 years gets a puff piece calling them bipartisan heroes....nothing written or spoken is true anymore...

All of our current day problems in American politics started with Obama and Biden....
 
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I don't see how the theory makes any sense and that's not meant as a defense of Biden.
More to the point, the R's are taking a position of opposing everything that's attempted by the D party. The plain reason for that is that the two parties' ideologies are completely opposite.

The R's promote hardline Capitalism with no social content and the D's ideals are social change, which is socialism being contained in a capitalist system.

So where the Dems have tried compromise, that's far from being the reason for their failure. And the proof is in the Dems even failing to bring about any social change because of their own party members not believing in the need for social change.

That is, assuming that Manchin, Sinema, and company really don't believe in social change? It's more likely that they do but there's the payoffs that compromise ideals.

In essence, America's political system is a failure due to bribes and payoffs dictating the workings of government.
 
When Obama was trying to pass Obamacare the Republicans' said they wanted to participate and have a say. That was when Obama noted that they can come along but they had to get in the back. He never tried to be bipartisan. It was Obama that said "elections have consequences".
You can't seriously think that there could have ever been bipartisanship regarding health care?

The plain fact of the matter is that there's no possibility of compromising the profits of the big insurance companies. Trump proved that when he offered nothing, not even a hint of an idea that could have brought any relief to half of Americans who either do without health care or are being gouged outrageously high prices for only inadequate coverage.

Only government can do it but that's far, far from in the cards for America.
 

Biden signs the $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill into law​


That's more than trump did in 4 years.

Joe's presidency will never be considered doom, just because of the infrastructure bill.
 
You can't seriously think that there could have ever been bipartisanship regarding health care?

Maybe, maybe not but the argument is Obama tried. He did not.

The plain fact of the matter is that there's no possibility of compromising the profits of the big insurance companies. Trump proved that when he offered nothing, not even a hint of an idea that could have brought any relief to half of Americans who either do without health care or are being gouged outrageously high prices for only inadequate coverage.

Only government can do it but that's far, far from in the cards for America.

Sadly true as we see year after year.
 
Maybe, maybe not but the argument is Obama tried. He did not.



Sadly true as we see year after year.
Obama tried what? Don't you get the fact that there was nothing on which Obama could compromise. Even the very smallest of change would have cost the big insurance companies some of their profits.

America's private, for profit system can't be compromised in the least until the people get tired of being ripped off and change it themselves. We both see no possibility of that!
 
Bipartisanship is the exception vs the rule.

It is not in the GOPs best interest to compromise on legislation that allows the Biden Administration to take credit.
 
Biden campaigned as a moderate and a uniter. He has proven in his first year that was a complete deception. He is the most divisive, most radical, most anti-American President we have ever had. I realize he is basically a meat puppet mouthing the words of his divisive radical anti-American Party but he is President and has to own his own words and actions.
 
Obama didn't try. Didn't try what? What we are discussing.
Didn't try to compromise?
The answer to whether he compromised or not is irrelevant. Compromise of private, for profit health care isn't possible.
 
Didn't try to compromise?
The answer to whether he compromised or not is irrelevant. Compromise of private, for profit health care isn't possible.

It's what the article is discussing. Doing it in a partisan manner was hardly better though.
 
I guess people forgot Obama telling republicans they can come along but they must stay in the back of the bus....how ironic that the two men who have created the most division and hatred and mistrust in America in a 100 years gets a puff piece calling them bipartisan heroes....nothing written or spoken is true anymore...

All of our current day problems in American politics started with Obama and Biden....
The current shit-show is being brought to us by the Tan Messiah's 3rd term, as well.
 
Trump campaigned as a moderate and for the working man. He has proven in his first term that was a complete deception. He is the most divisive, most radical, most anti-American President we have ever had. I realize he is basically a meat puppet mouthing the words of his divisive radical anti-American Party but he is President and has to own his own words and actions.
Projection. Look how the conservative gaslights himself. I made the appropriate changes.
 
Democrats are naive. Bipartisanship is not admirable. This is a holy war that requires Republicans to be steamrolled.
Be careful what you wish for Joizee. There won't be anything "holy" about the war you seem to want to start. We folks in "flyover country" are as hard headed and American as you are. That path ends badly for ALL OF US.
 

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