Life as the Palestinian's know it

[Hollie]

Life as the Pal'istanians know it.


Palestinian Leaders: Who Are They Fooling?

• For Abbas and the Palestinian leadership, the death of more than 170 Palestinians and 26 Israelis in the past five months occurred in the context of a "popular and peaceful uprising." One can only imagine what the uprising would have looked like had it not been "peaceful."
  
  
• Abbas assured his people that those who die defending their holy sites would go straight to heaven. "Every drop of blood that is spilled in Jerusalem is pure blood," he stressed.
  
  
• According to the Palestinian Authority, these youths are acting out of despair -- over settlements, checkpoints and lack of progress in the peace process. The attackers are in fact targeting Jews because they have been incited and brainwashed by the same leaders who are now denouncing Israel for protecting itself.
  
  
• Not a single senior Palestinian official has condemned the targeting of innocent civilians in this "peaceful" uprising. They are too busy glorifying the assailants and naming streets after them.
  
  
• The blood of the Palestinians who are being shot and killed while attacking Jews is on the hands of Abbas and his senior officials.
  
  
  
  
  Dyin' ain't much of a living, boy.
  - Josey Wales

 

[Billo_Really]

You should read your own report. The report states that Gaza's population is expected to increase from 1.6 million in 2011 to 2.1 million in 2020.

A genocide by population explosion? Wow. Jews are sneaky buggers, aren't they?

You're taking what was said out of context. The population could increase, but they wouldn't be living in Gaza if Israel keeps going the way it is and destroying every living thing in that area.

"Three years before the military operation in 2014, the United Nations conducted a study to forecast Gaza’s living conditions in 2020. The study stressed that Gaza’s population would increase from 1.6 million in 2011 to 2.1 million in 2020, and concluded that for Gaza to be a liveable place in 2020 “herculean efforts” needed to be accelerated in such sectors as health, education, energy, water and sanitation (United Nations, 2012). However, instead of such efforts, the tragedy in Gaza has deteriorated and its de-development was accelerated by destruction in 2014."​

But I understand your comments. How can anyone expend the energy to ensure justice for people they care nothing about?

I'll say again that there are lots of interesting and valid topics of discussion contained in this report. But we can't get to them because we are so busy responding to ridiculous claims like "slow genocide". Instead of continually demonizing Israel with hot button words like "slow genocide" -- why don't you want to talk about the real and true problems of the conflict?

You deliberately do this much damage...

(a) 18,000 housing units destroyed or severely damaged and 44,300 units damaged

(b) 26 schools destroyed and 122 damaged

(c) 15 hospitals and 45 primary health centres damaged

(d) Gaza’s sole power plant affected by damage and lack of fuel and widespread damage to electricity lines

(e) 20–30 per cent of the water and sewage network damaged

(f) Water desalination plant in Deir al-Balah damaged

(g) Total damage to the agricultural sector at $550 million

(h) 220 agricultural wells destroyed or badly damaged

(i) At least 40,000 people employed in the agricultural sector affected through damage to agricultural lands and the loss and/or death of productive animals

(j) 247 factories and 300 commercial establishments fully or partially destroyed

(k) Damages to Gaza Industrial Estate estimated at $5 million

(l) Widespread damage to landline, mobile and Internet infrastructure, including destruction of switches, fixed-line networks, cellular stations, networks, cables and the headquarters of companies

(m) Loss of existing contracts and partially approved future contracts of
information and communications technology (ICT)-related businesses and software outsourcing centres

(n) A number of tourist sites destroyed or damaged, including sites being
considered for application for World Heritage status from the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization
​

...and expect people to believe you're willing to discuss real problems?

There's one thing this thread has definitely proven, you don't care enough about the Pals to "want" a solution. You can't keep doing this to people and expect peace. You can if you want war. And you want war!

 

[Billo_Really]

I always get a chuckle when the Islamic terrorist Pom Pom flailers start screeching out the "genocide" nonsense.

You have got to hold the record for the most adjectives in one sentence?

They've now invented a new bit of nonsense with the "slow genocide" label. "Slow genocide" as a term coined by slow adults.

Even the Holocaust took 10 years to fully bloom.

 

[Billo_Really]

Life as the Pal'istanians know it.


Palestinian Leaders: Who Are They Fooling?

• For Abbas and the Palestinian leadership, the death of more than 170 Palestinians and 26 Israelis in the past five months occurred in the context of a "popular and peaceful uprising." One can only imagine what the uprising would have looked like had it not been "peaceful."
  
  
• Abbas assured his people that those who die defending their holy sites would go straight to heaven. "Every drop of blood that is spilled in Jerusalem is pure blood," he stressed.
  
  
• According to the Palestinian Authority, these youths are acting out of despair -- over settlements, checkpoints and lack of progress in the peace process. The attackers are in fact targeting Jews because they have been incited and brainwashed by the same leaders who are now denouncing Israel for protecting itself.
  
  
• Not a single senior Palestinian official has condemned the targeting of innocent civilians in this "peaceful" uprising. They are too busy glorifying the assailants and naming streets after them.
  
  
• The blood of the Palestinians who are being shot and killed while attacking Jews is on the hands of Abbas and his senior officials.
  
  
  
  
  Dyin' ain't much of a living, boy.
  - Josey Wales

Israeli's are the most irresponsible people on the planet. Always blaming others for the shit things they do and that post living proof of it.

You're not the one protecting yourself, if you're the one starting the fight.

Israel wants people to believe the "bullied" started the fight and the "bully" was only defending itself.

Such is the reality of Palestinian life.

 

[Billo_Really]

Our local foul mouthed construction laborer, taking the high ground ?

That'll last about five seconds ;--)

I'm an engineer, not a field guy, dumbass.

As I recall the subject wasn't

Wait for it

ME

Just taking a moment to point out your hypocrisy. Saying you're taking the high road, while insulting others. Constantly trying to hijack this thread and making it about me, which you're about to do again.

It was your pretending to know what life was like as a Arab Muslim living in Israel.

So pardon me if I'm curious. How is it you know anything about life in the terrorist enclaves ? Are you a terrorist ? Do you live in any of the terrorist enclaves ?

How is it you think you know anything about life as an Arab Muslim in Israel ? Did you go to a terrorist run UNWRA school ?

All these questions would naturally have bearing on your knowledge of life as an Arab Muslim in Israel.

See what I mean?

This thread is about life as the Palestinian's know it, not life as billo knows it.

Why is it, you can't address one point I made in the OP?

 

[Shusha]

You're taking what was said out of context. The population could increase, but they wouldn't be living in Gaza if Israel keeps going the way it is and destroying every living thing in that area.

"Three years before the military operation in 2014, the United Nations conducted a study to forecast Gaza’s living conditions in 2020. The study stressed that Gaza’s population would increase from 1.6 million in 2011 to 2.1 million in 2020, and concluded that for Gaza to be a liveable place in 2020 “herculean efforts” needed to be accelerated in such sectors as health, education, energy, water and sanitation (United Nations, 2012). However, instead of such efforts, the tragedy in Gaza has deteriorated and its de-development was accelerated by destruction in 2014."​

No, I quoted accurately. The study stressed that Gaza’s population would increase from 1.6 million in 2011 to 2.1 million in 2020.

Your claim is that Israel is conducting an intentional, "slow genocide" against the Gazan people. Yet the population of Gaza has increased since 2005 and is expected to continue to increase into the future. So where the hell is the genocide? Your only hope here is to confirm that there is no genocide -- but you expect Israel to commit a genocide in the future.

Low standings in sectors of health, education, energy, water and sanitation are NOT actually indications of an intentional genocide committed by one party to another party. They are conditions of war and have multiple contributing factors with multiple responsible parties -- an entirely different discussion.

BUT here we are discussing just the first of your ridiculous demonizations of Israel. And you have failed utterly to prove that there is a "slow genocide". And again, I am compelled to point out the utter silliness of the concept of a "slow genocide" -- as in a genocide which has absolutely none of the markers of genocide -- primarily the reduction of a population's numbers.

There's one thing this thread has definitely proven, you don't care enough about the Pals to "want" a solution. You can't keep doing this to people and expect peace. You can if you want war. And you want war!

I think rather my contributions to this board have demonstrated that I am one of the few who actually does want a solution. And one of the few that recognize both the responsibility of the Palestinians and the Israelis to achieve this. You, on the other hand, continue to demonize one side with ridiculous accusations and hot button terms while entirely denying any responsibility for the other side. The people who "want war" are those who are using violence to attack innocent Israeli citizens. Stop the attacks and there will be no more war. Easy peasy.

 

[Hollie]

I always get a chuckle when the Islamic terrorist Pom Pom flailers start screeching out the "genocide" nonsense.

You have got to hold the record for the most adjectives in one sentence?

They've now invented a new bit of nonsense with the "slow genocide" label. "Slow genocide" as a term coined by slow adults.

Even the Holocaust took 10 years to fully bloom.

Pointless and less than pointless.

Life as the Pal'istanians know it.


Palestinian Leaders: Who Are They Fooling?

• For Abbas and the Palestinian leadership, the death of more than 170 Palestinians and 26 Israelis in the past five months occurred in the context of a "popular and peaceful uprising." One can only imagine what the uprising would have looked like had it not been "peaceful."
  
  
• Abbas assured his people that those who die defending their holy sites would go straight to heaven. "Every drop of blood that is spilled in Jerusalem is pure blood," he stressed.
  
  
• According to the Palestinian Authority, these youths are acting out of despair -- over settlements, checkpoints and lack of progress in the peace process. The attackers are in fact targeting Jews because they have been incited and brainwashed by the same leaders who are now denouncing Israel for protecting itself.
  
  
• Not a single senior Palestinian official has condemned the targeting of innocent civilians in this "peaceful" uprising. They are too busy glorifying the assailants and naming streets after them.
  
  
• The blood of the Palestinians who are being shot and killed while attacking Jews is on the hands of Abbas and his senior officials.
  
  
  
  
  Dyin' ain't much of a living, boy.
  - Josey Wales

Israeli's are the most irresponsible people on the planet. Always blaming others for the shit things they do and that post living proof of it.

You're not the one protecting yourself, if you're the one starting the fight.

Israel wants people to believe the "bullied" started the fight and the "bully" was only defending itself.

Such is the reality of Palestinian life.

Make all the excuses you wish for Pal-Arab terrorism. In the first, relevant world, Pal'istan is just another failed Islamic terrorist hellhole that exists only because of a dedicated welfare agency that continues the fraud of Pal'istanians.

 

[Billo_Really]

No, I quoted accurately. The study stressed that Gaza’s population would increase from 1.6 million in 2011 to 2.1 million in 2020.

If you're going to use the study as a citation to your claim, you can't cherry-pick out the information you want and use as though it was stated in a vacuum. The study also stated Gaza in 2020 would be unlivable if things didn't change. And the "thing" that needs to change, is Israeli aggression.

Your claim is that Israel is conducting an intentional, "slow genocide" against the Gazan people. Yet the population of Gaza has increased since 2005 and is expected to continue to increase into the future.

That just means they **** more than you do.

So where the hell is the genocide?

Did you not read my entire post? Did you not see the reference to 18,000 housing units destroyed; 15 hospitals and 45 emergency care centers damaged; over 100, 000 people homeless; widespread damage to Gazan infrastructure? If they can't drink the water, can't grow any crops, can't fight off any disease, what the hell do you expect is going to happen?

Your only hope here is to confirm that there is no genocide -- but you expect Israel to commit a genocide in the future.

That's a pretty weird thing to say. First off, I don't hope. I could care less about Palestinian's. Who wins or loses this conflict, doesn't affect me. I just don't like you fuckers bullshitting me and trying to tell me the emperor has new clothes.

And I'm certainly not trying to confirm there is no genocide, I'm claiming the opposite, that there is. I'm also not expecting Israel to commit "a genocide", I'm saying they're doing it right now.

Low standings in sectors of health, education, energy, water and sanitation are NOT actually indications of an intentional genocide committed by one party to another party.

No, but the wanton destruction of civilian infrastructure, is.

They are conditions of war and have multiple contributing factors with multiple responsible parties -- an entirely different discussion.

Israel is the only party who wants war and therefore, Israel is the one responsible.

Stop blaming the rape victim because she wore a red dress!

BUT here we are discussing just the first of your ridiculous demonizations of Israel.

Prove they're ridiculous and stop dominating the conversation on just one issue.

And you have failed utterly to prove that there is a "slow genocide". And again, I am compelled to point out the utter silliness of the concept of a "slow genocide" -- as in a genocide which has absolutely none of the markers of genocide -- primarily the reduction of a population's numbers.

There's no denying the Holocaust was genocide. Well, it didn't happen overnight.

I think rather my contributions to this board have demonstrated that I am one of the few who actually does want a solution. And one of the few that recognize both the responsibility of the Palestinians and the Israelis to achieve this.

I'm not talking about the "personal" you, I'm talking about the "figurative" you.

You, on the other hand, continue to demonize one side with ridiculous accusations and hot button terms while entirely denying any responsibility for the other side.

Israel should be demonized, deserves to be demonized and the accusations are not ridiculous. You might see they're not if we ever got around to discussing them.

Not only are some of them not ridiculous, they are irrefutable facts. Like this one...

Vilified for being Muslims and called terrorists, Jihadists, crazed Arabs, and fundamentalist extremists.
​

Are you actually going to sit there and tell me that's not true?

The people who "want war" are those who are using violence to attack innocent Israeli citizens. Stop the attacks and there will be no more war. Easy peasy.

Those "attacks", are in response to Israeli aggression in the form of the occupation and blockade. Stop those and there will be no more attacks.

Or are you okay with someone shooting at you while you're trying to fish?

 

[Shusha]

If you're going to use the study as a citation to your claim, you can't cherry-pick out the information you want and use as though it was stated in a vacuum. The study also stated Gaza in 2020 would be unlivable if things didn't change. And the "thing" that needs to change, is Israeli aggression.

Did you not see the reference to 18,000 housing units destroyed; 15 hospitals and 45 emergency care centers damaged; over 100, 000 people homeless; widespread damage to Gazan infrastructure?

And I'm certainly not trying to confirm there is no genocide, I'm claiming the opposite, that there is. I'm also not expecting Israel to commit "a genocide", I'm saying they're doing it right now.

There are four fundamental flaws with your argument that Israel is committing a "slow genocide".

1. There has been and there is expected to be an increase in population.

2. There is no intent.

3. Consequences of war and the resulting damages to housing and infrastructure are not equivalent to and do not meet the criteria for genocide.

4. The people of Gaza need to take responsibility for their own contributory actions which exacerbate or cause the problem.

 

[Boston1]

Our local foul mouthed construction laborer, taking the high ground ?

That'll last about five seconds ;--)

I'm an engineer, not a field guy, dumbass.

As I recall the subject wasn't

Wait for it

ME

Just taking a moment to point out your hypocrisy. Saying you're taking the high road, while insulting others. Constantly trying to hijack this thread and making it about me, which you're about to do again.

It was your pretending to know what life was like as a Arab Muslim living in Israel.

So pardon me if I'm curious. How is it you know anything about life in the terrorist enclaves ? Are you a terrorist ? Do you live in any of the terrorist enclaves ?

How is it you think you know anything about life as an Arab Muslim in Israel ? Did you go to a terrorist run UNWRA school ?

All these questions would naturally have bearing on your knowledge of life as an Arab Muslim in Israel.

See what I mean?

This thread is about life as the Palestinian's know it, not life as billo knows it.

Why is it, you can't address one point I made in the OP?

If you're an engineer I'm the pope.





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The Arab Muslims living in Israel are subject to restrictions because of their own actions. They have no one to blame but themselves for those restrictions and if they want them lifted they're going to have to learn to act civilized.

 

[Billo_Really]

There are four fundamental flaws with your argument that Israel is committing a "slow genocide".

1. There has been and there is expected to be an increase in population.

2. There is no intent.

3. Consequences of war and the resulting damages to housing and infrastructure are not equivalent to and do not meet the criteria for genocide.

4. The people of Gaza need to take responsibility for their own contributory actions which exacerbate or cause the problem.

You really want to dominate this entire thread on just one issue? Okay, fine; it's on the list, so we'll debate it until the cows come home, if you like? But lets not kid ourselves on why you are doing this? This is nothing more than a bullshit attempt to waste the entire conversation on one subject, in order to avoid discussing all the others, because this "subject", is the only one you think you can successfully defend. Well I'm sorry twisted sister, it isn't!

This argument is in two parts: 1) the international definition of genocide and 2) how it applies to your argument and Palestinian life.

The legal definition of genocide

The international legal definition of the crime of genocide is found in Article II of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide.

Article II describes two elements of the crime of genocide:

1) the mental element, meaning the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such", and
2) the physical element, which includes five acts described in sections a, b, c, d and e.

A crime must include both elements to be called "genocide."
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.​

Right off the bat, no where in that definition, is your argument...

Originally posted by Shusha:
1. There has been and there is expected to be an increase in population.
​

...so expecting a population increase, does not negate the crime of genocide.

​

And there's no denying you haven't killed Palestinian's; or caused mental or physical harm to them; deliberately made their lives a living hell; prevented births by passing laws not allowing Arab-Israeli's, to be joined by their Palestinian wives; and forcibly transferring children can be done in the form of...

Forcible transfer of children may be imposed by direct force or by fear of violence, duress, detention, psychological oppression or other methods of coercion.​

We've all seen the videos of how the IDF treats Palestinian children.

Moving on to your next point...

Originally posted by Shusha:
2. There is no intent.​

...the definition in Article II describes "intent to destroy, in whole or in part..."
There's no way you can argue Israel has not intended to destroy "part" of Gaza. So intent is now proven.

Your third point...

Originally posted by Shusha:
3. Consequences of war and the resulting damages to housing and infrastructure are not equivalent to and do not meet the criteria for genocide.​

War has nothing to do with it. You can have genocide without war. And you are on crack if you think what you did to Gaza doesn't meet the criteria for genocide.

Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to destroy a group includes the deliberate deprivation of resources needed for the group’s physical survival, such as clean water, food, clothing, shelter or medical services. Deprivation of the means to sustain life can be imposed through confiscation of harvests, blockade of foodstuffs, detention in camps, forcible relocation or expulsion into deserts.​

You deliberately bombed their water and sewage treatment plants; murdered people bringing food and humanitarian aid to Gaza (which included medical supply's); destroyed over 18,000 of their shelters; shot at their farmers, thus denying them their crops; I have to stop there, because I'm starting to get pissed at your irresponsible arrogance that this is not occurring.

Let's move on...

Originally posted by Shusha:
4. The people of Gaza need to take responsibility for their own contributory actions which exacerbate or cause the problem.​

That's it, I'm pissed! You're blaming the rape victim for wearing a red dress.

I'm done here!

 

[Billo_Really]

If you're an engineer I'm the pope.

And just what do you base that personal attack on, Mr. High Road?

The Arab Muslims living in Israel are subject to restrictions because of their own actions. They have no one to blame but themselves for those restrictions and if they want them lifted they're going to have to learn to act civilized.

They're subject to restrictions, because the Israeli's are deliberately trying to make their lives a living hell, in the hopes that they will decide they've had enough and will go away.

 

[Shusha]

You really want to dominate this entire thread on just one issue? Okay, fine; it's on the list, so we'll debate it until the cows come home, if you like? But lets not kid ourselves on why you are doing this? This is nothing more than a bullshit attempt to waste the entire conversation on one subject, in order to avoid discussing all the others, because this "subject", is the only one you think you can successfully defend. Well I'm sorry twisted sister, it isn't!

Oh, I can successfully argue any of them. I started with this one because it was the most glaringly egregious lie.

Let's look at the part of the definition of genocide which you highlighted as being especially applicable, keeping in mind there must be both the INTENT to destroy a group and a physical element which actually CAUSES the destruction of a group:

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
​

What conditions of life would bring about the physical destruction of a group?

1. Restricting food.
2. Restricting potable water.
3. Restricting shelter.
4. Preventing access to medical care.

We agree, yes? Those would be the conditions which would bring about the physical destruction of a group?

So, first off -- all of these things are available to the people of Gaza. They have access to food, water, shelter and medical care. So there are no physical conditions which are causing the destruction of the people of Gaza. In fact, the Gazan population has been growing and continues to grow.

End of story. We can talk about intent, if you want and whether or not Israel is deliberately inflicting these (non-existant) conditions. But it seems kind of pointless. First you would have to demonstrate that there is a physical destruction of the group.​

 

[Billo_Really]

Oh, I can successfully argue any of them. I started with this one because it was the most glaringly egregious lie.

Let's look at the part of the definition of genocide which you highlighted as being especially applicable, keeping in mind there must be both the INTENT to destroy a group and a physical element which actually CAUSES the destruction of a group:

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
​

What conditions of life would bring about the physical destruction of a group?

1. Restricting food.
2. Restricting potable water.
3. Restricting shelter.
4. Preventing access to medical care.

We agree, yes? Those would be the conditions which would bring about the physical destruction of a group?

So, first off -- all of these things are available to the people of Gaza. They have access to food, water, shelter and medical care. So there are no physical conditions which are causing the destruction of the people of Gaza. In fact, the Gazan population has been growing and continues to grow.

End of story. We can talk about intent, if you want and whether or not Israel is deliberately inflicting these (non-existant) conditions. But it seems kind of pointless. First you would have to demonstrate that there is a physical destruction of the group.​

What food do they have access to? 1500 calories a day? The Mavi Marmara was bringing them food and you executed an American citizen on that ship to stop it. They can't access their crops, because you keep shooting at them when they try to harvest. And fish is definitely not part of their diet, because you keep shooting at their fishermen.

They can't drink the water, because you destroyed both their water and sewage treatment plants, then refused entry for the necessary building materials to fix them up again.

WTF shelter are you talking about? You destroyed 18,000 homes during Protective Edge.

And what medical care are you referring to? You bombed 15 hospitals and 45 emergency care centers.

You look at all that and then you have the gall to say that's not intentional?

Let me know when you're back on planet earth.

 

[Boston1]

If you're an engineer I'm the pope.

And just what do you base that personal attack on, Mr. High Road?

The Arab Muslims living in Israel are subject to restrictions because of their own actions. They have no one to blame but themselves for those restrictions and if they want them lifted they're going to have to learn to act civilized.

They're subject to restrictions, because the Israeli's are deliberately trying to make their lives a living hell, in the hopes that they will decide they've had enough and will go away.

Well you do seem to be having difficulty with basic reality. It was you after all who said there are no tunnels into Israel from Gaza even though the terrorists themselves admit there are. ;--)) Another reason the pali's remain under restrictions.

An engineer would be bright enough to face reality and admit both the tunnels and the reasons for restrictions are a direct result of pali aggression.

I'd guess unskilled laborer or maybe semi skilled labor but, probably unskilled, based of your foul mouth and apparent lack of education.

A great example of you not facing reality is that you can't get that cart behind the horse. The pali's are facing restrictions for a reason. They've consistently endorsed and engaged in terrorism or they wouldn't be in this situation.

Your fantasy of Israel imposing restrictions for the fun of it is ludicrous at best.

Another clue is that you refuse to learn. Again and again someone on here corrects you and you simply ignore it. Now granted while most engineers aren't all that bright they at least had to take a few classes which would normally mean they'd have some capacity for the educational process.

Which brings me back to

If you're an engineer, I'm the pope.

The final nail in your coffin is that you start a thread pretending to be some kinda expert in life as a Arab Muslim in Israel.

Most engineers are annoyingly grounded in a very unimaginative view of reality. I'll grant you the annoying part ;--) but reality isn't your strong point.

PS
It was quite the trick lacing our subject into that explanation. Had I more leeway with the subject I could have had a lot more fun ;--))

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Oh, I can successfully argue any of them. I started with this one because it was the most glaringly egregious lie.

Let's look at the part of the definition of genocide which you highlighted as being especially applicable, keeping in mind there must be both the INTENT to destroy a group and a physical element which actually CAUSES the destruction of a group:

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
​

What conditions of life would bring about the physical destruction of a group?

1. Restricting food.
2. Restricting potable water.
3. Restricting shelter.
4. Preventing access to medical care.

We agree, yes? Those would be the conditions which would bring about the physical destruction of a group?

So, first off -- all of these things are available to the people of Gaza. They have access to food, water, shelter and medical care. So there are no physical conditions which are causing the destruction of the people of Gaza. In fact, the Gazan population has been growing and continues to grow.

End of story. We can talk about intent, if you want and whether or not Israel is deliberately inflicting these (non-existant) conditions. But it seems kind of pointless. First you would have to demonstrate that there is a physical destruction of the group.​

What food do they have access to? 1500 calories a day? The Mavi Marmara was bringing them food and you executed an American citizen on that ship to stop it. They can't access their crops, because you keep shooting at them when they try to harvest. And fish is definitely not part of their diet, because you keep shooting at their fishermen.

They can't drink the water, because you destroyed both their water and sewage treatment plants, then refused entry for the necessary building materials to fix them up again.

WTF shelter are you talking about? You destroyed 18,000 homes during Protective Edge.

And what medical care are you referring to? You bombed 15 hospitals and 45 emergency care centers.

You look at all that and then you have the gall to say that's not intentional?

Let me know when you're back on planet earth.

What a tool you are!! The flotilla was a publicity stunt. Didn't you see the footage of how they attacked the Israeli soldiers with knives and clubs? Didn't you see the amount of weapons they had on display? And the flotilla sailed out from Turkey--that bastion of human rights who slaughters Kurds, occupies a part of Cyprus, and denies its genocide of Armenians.

 

[Phoenall]

If you're an engineer I'm the pope.

And just what do you base that personal attack on, Mr. High Road?

The Arab Muslims living in Israel are subject to restrictions because of their own actions. They have no one to blame but themselves for those restrictions and if they want them lifted they're going to have to learn to act civilized.

They're subject to restrictions, because the Israeli's are deliberately trying to make their lives a living hell, in the hopes that they will decide they've had enough and will go away.

Your copies word for word of articles from the Internet, you did not even realise that your alternators run at a different frequency to other nations. Causing the US to lose a lot of exports when its electricals go bang, unless the buyers spend twice as much on a converter. In the UK you would be called an electricians mate, and would pass tools to the qualified electrician.

 

[Phoenall]

Oh, I can successfully argue any of them. I started with this one because it was the most glaringly egregious lie.

Let's look at the part of the definition of genocide which you highlighted as being especially applicable, keeping in mind there must be both the INTENT to destroy a group and a physical element which actually CAUSES the destruction of a group:

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
​

What conditions of life would bring about the physical destruction of a group?

1. Restricting food.
2. Restricting potable water.
3. Restricting shelter.
4. Preventing access to medical care.

We agree, yes? Those would be the conditions which would bring about the physical destruction of a group?

So, first off -- all of these things are available to the people of Gaza. They have access to food, water, shelter and medical care. So there are no physical conditions which are causing the destruction of the people of Gaza. In fact, the Gazan population has been growing and continues to grow.

End of story. We can talk about intent, if you want and whether or not Israel is deliberately inflicting these (non-existant) conditions. But it seems kind of pointless. First you would have to demonstrate that there is a physical destruction of the group.​

What food do they have access to? 1500 calories a day? The Mavi Marmara was bringing them food and you executed an American citizen on that ship to stop it. They can't access their crops, because you keep shooting at them when they try to harvest. And fish is definitely not part of their diet, because you keep shooting at their fishermen.

They can't drink the water, because you destroyed both their water and sewage treatment plants, then refused entry for the necessary building materials to fix them up again.

WTF shelter are you talking about? You destroyed 18,000 homes during Protective Edge.

And what medical care are you referring to? You bombed 15 hospitals and 45 emergency care centers.

You look at all that and then you have the gall to say that's not intentional?

Let me know when you're back on planet earth.

Actually 2200 calories a day which is far in excess of the number required for a healthy diet according to the WHO. I get by on 1200 to 1500 calories a day and maintain my fitness and weight with no problems.

The Mavi had very little food on board, and what was there was out of date. Just like the medical supplies being shipped. The whole cargo could have been shipped on a fishing boat, that is the whole cargo of all 4 vessels.

Since when has a rocket launcher or an IED been edible, and they can access their crops further than 200 yards from the border at any time. They land many fish daily from their inshore grounds without being fired on, it is the smugglers using 4 inch cargo nets to catch sardines outside the fishing zones that get fired on.

They were destroyed well before protective edge after hamas stole the steel pipes to make illegal weapons with. Then blamed the people who built the plants for destroying them. The Israeli's have shipped in plastic pipes to replace the ones stolen and hamas uses them to create smoke screens. The other building materials are stolen by hamas to use in repairing the tunnels into Israel.

Not one home would have been destroyed if the Palestinians stopped attacking Israel with illegal weapons, so under international laws it was hamas that destroyed those homes.

No valid military targets used to fire illegal weapons at Israel from where fired on, as the UN admitted shortly after the fighting stopped.

It is intentional on the Palestinians behalf as it makes for good propaganda. A pity their threats against journalists telling the truth is not so good propaganda and so evidence of the breaches by the Palestinians are now widely reported

 

[Billo_Really]

What a tool you are!! The flotilla was a publicity stunt. Didn't you see the footage of how they attacked the Israeli soldiers with knives and clubs? Didn't you see the amount of weapons they had on display? And the flotilla sailed out from Turkey--that bastion of human rights who slaughters Kurds, occupies a part of Cyprus, and denies its genocide of Armenians.

That was a fake propaganda video.

 

[Billo_Really]

Well you do seem to be having difficulty with basic reality. It was you after all who said there are no tunnels into Israel from Gaza even though the terrorists themselves admit there are. ;--)) Another reason the pali's remain under restrictions.

Actually, it was a UN report that said that.

An engineer would be bright enough to face reality and admit both the tunnels and the reasons for restrictions are a direct result of pali aggression.

Maybe a civil engineer. I'm electrical.

I'd guess unskilled laborer or maybe semi skilled labor but, probably unskilled, based of your foul mouth and apparent lack of education.

What you're saying is, you don't have a clue?

A great example of you not facing reality is that you can't get that cart behind the horse. The pali's are facing restrictions for a reason. They've consistently endorsed and engaged in terrorism or they wouldn't be in this situation.

The Pals are facing restrictions for the same reason a dog licks' its balls.

Your fantasy of Israel imposing restrictions for the fun of it is ludicrous at best.

You're unable to prove my argument false, so it can't be that ludicrous.

Another clue is that you refuse to learn. Again and again someone on here corrects you and you simply ignore it. Now granted while most engineers aren't all that bright they at least had to take a few classes which would normally mean they'd have some capacity for the educational process.

Which corrections were those? The one about 242 not being binding? I acknowledged that and have since changed my position on it. So what corrections are you talking about?

Which brings me back to

If you're an engineer, I'm the pope.

You said that.

The final nail in your coffin is that you start a thread pretending to be some kinda expert in life as a Arab Muslim in Israel.

This isn't about me.

Most engineers are annoyingly grounded in a very unimaginative view of reality. I'll grant you the annoying part ;--) but reality isn't your strong point.

Would that be a "system" ground, or an "equipment" ground?

I doubt you would know the difference.

PS
It was quite the trick lacing our subject into that explanation. Had I more leeway with the subject I could have had a lot more fun ;--))

You have a 1600A, 480/277V, 3-phase, 4-wire main switchboard with a utility meter.

Do you need GFI? Yes or no?

Now get back on topic. The thread is not about me.