16 Truths About Israel That Debunk Palestinian Beliefs

[Hossfly]

We always hear claims about Israel doing this, that and the other but here are the facts that debunk the lies.


1
"Jews in Israel are White European Colonialists"

The Jewish people are indigenous to Israel, the birthplace of their identity and unique culture, and have maintained a documented presence there for over 3,000 years. Half of modern Israel’s Jews returned home to Israel from the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. Jews who came from Europe were not colonialists. They did not represent a foreign power and rejected any identification with European nations. They were idealists who sought to restore and preserve their unique heritage and fought for the same rights that are granted to all peoples: self-determination and independence in their ancestral home. over 150 years ago, jews returned in ever-larger numbers, again became the majority in Jerusalem in the 1860s, and established Tel Aviv in 1909. In 1920 the international community officially recognized the indigenous rights of the Jewish people and endorsed the restoration of the Jewish Homeland.

Read more at 16 Things That Give Israel a Bad Name But Aren't Really True

 

[Shusha]

Seal impression of King Hezekiah, found in situ, proving that Jerusalem was the royal administration for the Jewish people 2700 years ago.

 

[Boston1]

Wait for it

Wait for it

Regardless of the obvious history of the Judaic people in "Judea" there will inevitably be some pro terrorist who'll always try and twist the truth.

Its the Arab Muslims who are the European Immigrants

This links quite well dispels the myth of Arab Muslims being somehow native to Judea

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...fieQCwrK6eQ0soMSy3avcA&bvm=bv.114195076,d.cGc

 

[MJB12741]

Wait for it

Wait for it

Regardless of the obvious history of the Judaic people in "Judea" there will inevitably be some pro terrorist who'll always try and twist the truth.

Its the Arab Muslims who are the European Immigrants

This links quite well dispels the myth of Arab Muslims being somehow native to Judea

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjz-pnzn_jKAhVQ0GMKHZkDBpcQFggcMAA&url=http://www.meforum.org/522/the-smoking-gun-arab-immigration-into-palestine&usg=AFQjCNEIqfSHB_H9JdJoz9L-uddoNFmgtg&sig2=fieQCwrK6eQ0soMSy3avcA&bvm=bv.114195076,d.cGc

All Palestinian squatters should be removed from Israel's land. Problem is no surrounding Arab country will grant them a right of return back to their native homelands.

 

[Boston1]

I've always found it really interesting that when you actually examine the Arab Muslim claims they not only turn out to be completely false but often the what is true of them, rather than the Israeli's

Monty is constantly going off about how the Israeli's are European immigrants, but he doesn't seem to comprehend the meaning of the term immigrant, nor does he realize that only about 35% of the people in Israel today "returned" from Europe.

Yet when you take a closer look at his own claims about the "levant" he's always going on about there's a "levant" heritage club that claims most Arabs in this area actually are of European descent having immigrated there in the early 20th century.

How much more ironic can it get.

Now there's a truth for ya.

 

[MJB12741]

Jordan sure knew what they were doing when they refused Israel's offer to return the West Bank after the 67 war.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Here is the basic problem: People are stupid.

Knowing that people are stupid, and knowing that that they cannot get what they want by actually being superior at anything at all, Arabs have taken advantage of the one thing that IS in their favor -- sheer numbers. Expanded to include all Muslims, the advantage is overwhelming.

Since people are stupid, they do not understand various fallacies, most notably the appeal to popularity, and the appeal to authority, so Arabs and Muslims created an entirely new people and then set about to influence the way the world sees the situation by taking advantage of their vast numerical superiority. The sheer number of voices all acting in concert drowns out the minority voices (appeal to popularity), their influence in the U.N. (also based upon numerical superiority ) gives weight to their agenda through the appeal to authority. When you toss in the effect of the internet, which exposes stupid people to their propaganda more easily, they have seized the battlefield of ideas where they could not seize it through force.

If you watch children, when a bully cannot get what he wants through direct action,m what does he do? He seeks an adult to manipulate into doing it for him. The same principle is in action here, where the Arabs have not succeeded in their agenda directly, so seek useful idiots to do it for them.

 

[Challenger]

We always hear claims about Israel doing this, that and the other but here are the facts that debunk the lies.


1
"Jews in Israel are White European Colonialists"

The Jewish people are indigenous to Israel, the birthplace of their identity and unique culture, and have maintained a documented presence there for over 3,000 years. Half of modern Israel’s Jews returned home to Israel from the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. Jews who came from Europe were not colonialists. They did not represent a foreign power and rejected any identification with European nations. They were idealists who sought to restore and preserve their unique heritage and fought for the same rights that are granted to all peoples: self-determination and independence in their ancestral home. over 150 years ago, jews returned in ever-larger numbers, again became the majority in Jerusalem in the 1860s, and established Tel Aviv in 1909. In 1920 the international community officially recognized the indigenous rights of the Jewish people and endorsed the restoration of the Jewish Homeland.

Read more at 16 Things That Give Israel a Bad Name But Aren't Really True

Slapping a Menorah on to your coat of arms does not make you indigenous, what documented presence outside of their own fantasy novel documents their presence for over 3000 years? In 1920 the "international community" rubber stamped the British imperialist idea of establishing a national home for Jewish people in Palestine; the British had no intention of allowing the creation of an independant Jewish state.

Another Hasbarist "de-bunk fail".

 

[Challenger]

Seal impression of King Hezekiah, found in situ, proving that Jerusalem was the royal administration for the Jewish people 2700 years ago.

No, it proves that someone dropped a 1cm piece of clay impressed with the seal of Hezekiah found in a demolished building. No reason to assume anything of he sort unless you are part of the Zionist Anenerbe.

 

[Challenger]

Its the Arab Muslims who are the European Immigrants

Here is the basic problem: People are stupid.

Correct: see Boston1 quote above.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Seal impression of King Hezekiah, found in situ, proving that Jerusalem was the royal administration for the Jewish people 2700 years ago.

No, it proves that someone dropped a 1cm piece of clay impressed with the seal of Hezekiah found in a demolished building. No reason to assume anything of he sort unless you are part of the Zionist Anenerbe.

Is this artifact authentic or not, in your estimation? Or is it a forgery?

 

[Boston1]

I see you are having trouble with reality again Challenged.

The simple facts are that Arabs didn't even exist in roman times when we have some of the strongest documentation for a distinct Judaic people well established in

JUDAEA

Maybe you don't read the news much

Israeli archaeologists discover 7000 year old

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...bz_YSR3yN7l_JSpbK1fSuA&bvm=bv.114733917,d.amc

Quote

"Now we can know that even in the periods prior to the First and Second Temples, even in the Chalcolithic period, it was an inhabited area," he said.

To Lupu, the new findings give closure to a long quest for Chalcolithic settlements in Jerusalem.

End Quote

Your next moment of banality was something about Monty confirming for us that many if not most of the Arab muslim immigrants into the mandate area were in fact from Europe. As evidenced in one of Rocco's posts concerning Monty's insistence that the Arab Muslims had inhabited the "levant" since roughly the first Arab colonial period.

Rocco pointed out that there was a large population of levant Arabs who associated themselves as of European descent.

So again Challenged your racism and bigotry simply don't stand up to scrutiny

 

[ForeverYoung436]

We always hear claims about Israel doing this, that and the other but here are the facts that debunk the lies.


1
"Jews in Israel are White European Colonialists"

The Jewish people are indigenous to Israel, the birthplace of their identity and unique culture, and have maintained a documented presence there for over 3,000 years. Half of modern Israel’s Jews returned home to Israel from the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. Jews who came from Europe were not colonialists. They did not represent a foreign power and rejected any identification with European nations. They were idealists who sought to restore and preserve their unique heritage and fought for the same rights that are granted to all peoples: self-determination and independence in their ancestral home. over 150 years ago, jews returned in ever-larger numbers, again became the majority in Jerusalem in the 1860s, and established Tel Aviv in 1909. In 1920 the international community officially recognized the indigenous rights of the Jewish people and endorsed the restoration of the Jewish Homeland.

Read more at 16 Things That Give Israel a Bad Name But Aren't Really True

Slapping a Menorah on to your coat of arms does not make you indigenous, what documented presence outside of their own fantasy novel documents their presence for over 3000 years? In 1920 the "international community" rubber stamped the British imperialist idea of establishing a national home for Jewish people in Palestine; the British had no intention of allowing the creation of an independant Jewish state.

Another Hasbarist "de-bunk fail".

Sunni Man, you are part of an illustrious religion that is sovereign in 57 countries. Why does Israel, the one Jewish country, bother you so much? Why did you applaud Challenger's post?

 

[Shusha]

No, it proves that someone dropped a 1cm piece of clay impressed with the seal of Hezekiah found in a demolished building. No reason to assume anything of he sort unless you are part of the Zionist Anenerbe.

Hezekiah seal impressions have shown up fairly regularly. What makes this one interesting is that it was found in situ in a royal administrative building which appears to have had an upper floor collapse (probably during the Babylonian conquest circa 586 BCE), preserving, in place, the floor beneath and its contents. The impression reads, "belonging to King Hezekiah son of Ahaz King of Judah". Personal seals have also been found, including some belonging to Shebnah ben Shahar. Shebnah was the name of Hezekiah's scribe (though this is not conclusive evidence that this was the same person).

So, Challenger are you trying to say that the entire archeological site and all all the seal impressions are modern forgeries?

 

[Boston1]

He's just not playing with a full deck Shusha. Challenged is blinded by hate, racism and bigotry. He/she will never see the obvious.

There's mountains of archeological evidence.

The simple truth is evidence goes back well into the early bronze age and earlier.

 

[Billo_Really]

You gotta love the 16 hasbara talking points. However, unlike most of my Israeli kiss-ass counterparts, I can go beyond simply stating a claim, I can prove it with "logical deductive reasoning".

Let's take this hasbara gem, for example:

From Hosefly's link:
10. "Israel Keeps Palestinian Political Prisoners, including Children in Humiliating Conditions"
Democratic Israel does not take political prisoners. It imprisons only those who are involved in violence against Israelis after convicting them in a court of law.
​

"...after convicting them in a court of law..."?

I got two words for that lie.............ADMINISTRATIVE DETENTION!

Not only is there no conviction, in most cases, there's no charges.

Ooh, this is fun! Let's try another one?

Again from Hosefly's link:
14. "Israel uses Disproportionate Force against Hamas"
Israel has been widely praised for attempting to minimize harm to Gaza civilians during military operations by warning of impending attacks, aborting operations if civilians are in target zones, and ensuring delivery of humanitarian goods.
​

Oh, where to start here?

"...minimize harm to Gaza citizens...", while it [Israel] drops 2000 pound bombs that take out entire neighborhoods.

"...warning of impending attacks...", by at least 30 seconds.

"...ensuring delivery of humanitarian goods...", like the ones on the Mavi Marmara.

Okay, one more for good measure, aah Hossy?

Straight from the Hossy link:
15. "Gaza is Still Illegally Occupied"
Gaza is ruled exclusively by Arabs and also shares borders with Egypt, where Israel has no control.

Israel controls its own borders with Gaza, along with Gaza’s airspace and coastline,
​

This one I just let the author do the talking.

"...Gaza...where Israel has no control..."

"...Israel controls its own borders...along with Gaza's airspace and coastline..."
​

Hey Hossy, don't you think your time would be better well spent trying to find a way to bring down the price of "milky", instead of telling this hasbara bullshit?

 

[Billo_Really]

He's just not playing with a full deck Shusha. Challenged is blinded by hate, racism and bigotry. He/she will never see the obvious.

There's mountains of archeological evidence.

The simple truth is evidence goes back well into the early bronze age and earlier.

Then it shouldn't be so hard to produce?

 

[Hossfly]

You gotta love the 16 hasbara talking points. However, unlike most of my Israeli kiss-ass counterparts, I can go beyond simply stating a claim, I can prove it with "logical deductive reasoning".

Let's take this hasbara gem, for example:

From Hosefly's link:
10. "Israel Keeps Palestinian Political Prisoners, including Children in Humiliating Conditions"
Democratic Israel does not take political prisoners. It imprisons only those who are involved in violence against Israelis after convicting them in a court of law.
​

"...after convicting them in a court of law..."?

I got two words for that lie.............ADMINISTRATIVE DETENTION!

Not only is there no conviction, in most cases, there's no charges.

Ooh, this is fun! Let's try another one?

Again from Hosefly's link:
14. "Israel uses Disproportionate Force against Hamas"
Israel has been widely praised for attempting to minimize harm to Gaza civilians during military operations by warning of impending attacks, aborting operations if civilians are in target zones, and ensuring delivery of humanitarian goods.
​

Oh, where to start here?

"...minimize harm to Gaza citizens...", while it [Israel] drops 2000 pound bombs that take out entire neighborhoods.

"...warning of impending attacks...", by at least 30 seconds.

"...ensuring delivery of humanitarian goods...", like the ones on the Mavi Marmara.

Okay, one more for good measure, aah Hossy?

Straight from the Hossy link:
15. "Gaza is Still Illegally Occupied"
Gaza is ruled exclusively by Arabs and also shares borders with Egypt, where Israel has no control.

Israel controls its own borders with Gaza, along with Gaza’s airspace and coastline,
​

This one I just let the author do the talking.

"...Gaza...where Israel has no control..."

"...Israel controls its own borders...along with Gaza's airspace and coastline..."
​

Hey Hossy, don't you think your time would be better well spent trying to find a way to bring down the price of "milky", instead of telling this hasbara bullshit?

You gotta love the 16 hasbara talking points. However, unlike most of my Israeli kiss-ass counterparts, I can go beyond simply stating a claim, I can prove it with "logical deductive reasoning".

Let's take this hasbara gem, for example:

From Hosefly's link:
10. "Israel Keeps Palestinian Political Prisoners, including Children in Humiliating Conditions"
Democratic Israel does not take political prisoners. It imprisons only those who are involved in violence against Israelis after convicting them in a court of law.
​

"...after convicting them in a court of law..."?

I got two words for that lie.............ADMINISTRATIVE DETENTION!

Not only is there no conviction, in most cases, there's no charges.

Ooh, this is fun! Let's try another one?

Again from Hosefly's link:
14. "Israel uses Disproportionate Force against Hamas"
Israel has been widely praised for attempting to minimize harm to Gaza civilians during military operations by warning of impending attacks, aborting operations if civilians are in target zones, and ensuring delivery of humanitarian goods.
​

Oh, where to start here?

"...minimize harm to Gaza citizens...", while it [Israel] drops 2000 pound bombs that take out entire neighborhoods.

"...warning of impending attacks...", by at least 30 seconds.

"...ensuring delivery of humanitarian goods...", like the ones on the Mavi Marmara.

Okay, one more for good measure, aah Hossy?

Straight from the Hossy link:
15. "Gaza is Still Illegally Occupied"
Gaza is ruled exclusively by Arabs and also shares borders with Egypt, where Israel has no control.

Israel controls its own borders with Gaza, along with Gaza’s airspace and coastline,
​

This one I just let the author do the talking.

"...Gaza...where Israel has no control..."

"...Israel controls its own borders...along with Gaza's airspace and coastline..."
​

Hey Hossy, don't you think your time would be better well spent trying to find a way to bring down the price of "milky", instead of telling this hasbara bullshit?

Truth hurts, don't it, Billo?

 

[peach174]

We always hear claims about Israel doing this, that and the other but here are the facts that debunk the lies.


1
"Jews in Israel are White European Colonialists"

The Jewish people are indigenous to Israel, the birthplace of their identity and unique culture, and have maintained a documented presence there for over 3,000 years. Half of modern Israel’s Jews returned home to Israel from the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. Jews who came from Europe were not colonialists. They did not represent a foreign power and rejected any identification with European nations. They were idealists who sought to restore and preserve their unique heritage and fought for the same rights that are granted to all peoples: self-determination and independence in their ancestral home. over 150 years ago, jews returned in ever-larger numbers, again became the majority in Jerusalem in the 1860s, and established Tel Aviv in 1909. In 1920 the international community officially recognized the indigenous rights of the Jewish people and endorsed the restoration of the Jewish Homeland.

Read more at 16 Things That Give Israel a Bad Name But Aren't Really True

Slapping a Menorah on to your coat of arms does not make you indigenous, what documented presence outside of their own fantasy novel documents their presence for over 3000 years? In 1920 the "international community" rubber stamped the British imperialist idea of establishing a national home for Jewish people in Palestine; the British had no intention of allowing the creation of an independant Jewish state.

Another Hasbarist "de-bunk fail".

It's called archeology.

 

[Boston1]

He/she has been presented with numerous articles and examples of archeology that supports the view the Judaic people have inhabited Judaea for at least 7000 years.

he's just not emotionally capable of facing the simple truth

its an element of cognitive dissonance when someone can't face the facts because they directly refute a preferred belief.

Challenged is a perfect example

The truth is obvious, archeology bears it out.