Libs to Collins, vote no on Kavanaugh , or else

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It seems the liberals have stooped to a new low. They are threatening to give Collin's opponent over 800,000 in campaign contributions if she gives a thumbs up to Kavanaugh. If she votes no they won't give the money to her opponent .

In mid-August, liberal activists started a crowdfunding campaign that aimed to raise $500,000 for Collins’s Democratic challenger in 2020 — a sum that it pledged to return to donors if the incumbent Republican votes “no” on Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination.
Liberal Group Crowdfunds $875,000 for Susan Collins’s Next Challenger

And?

This is how representative democracy works, this is the political process; the people get to make demands, threaten to withhold support, or otherwise support the opposition - just as the Framers intended.

That most on the right don't understand this comes as no surprise.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Support Trump...or else;

GOP Is Roiled by Primary Challengers, Even With Steve Bannon Sidelined

You are having a hard time equating the two issues.

g has a hard time putting a sandwich together.....

 

[Dale Smith]

No she won't. That is just your partisan BS seeping into the thread.

It is not bullshit as you claim, it is a prediction. Time will tell how she votes; will she spin a yes vote, or vote to protect the nation from Trumpism.

I'd rather have "Trumpism" than socialism or communism.

Communism is passé; Trumpism is fascism!

However, Trump's extreme behavior, and the greed of the plutocrats who support him, can drive others to seek ideologies to mitigate the neo fascist governance Trump has brought to America.

Examples of fascism by Trump's admin, please?????

You got it:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Suppression of the vote

You and others can find all of these bullet points in the speeches and tweets of Trump, and in the deeds of Republicans governors and Republican dominated legislatures.

DUDE!!!!!! That is the biggest load of bullshit EVER! Nationalism is wrong? How so? What human rights are not being recognized? Are you talking about shoring up border security or are you talking about Barrypuppet's drone strikes?

Sexism? WTF? Controlled mass media? HOLY shit, the lamestream media has been in the backpocket of the deep state commies for decades.

Religion and "gubermint" are intertwined? Got some examples???

Labor power is "suppressed"???? Do tell?

Obsession with crime and punishment? Like the witch-hunt of anyone associated with Trump? Or how Barrypuppet weaponized the IRS to target conservative groups?

Rampant Cronyism and corruption? Uranium One didn't happen under Trump, ya moron.

Suppression of vote? By asking the serfs to have a photo ID when it takes one to do just about anything from driving a car to cashing a check.

MAJOR and EPIC fail, Crycatcher.........MAJOR fail!

FASCISM is what this country has been dealing with since 9/11/01, the biggest false flag ever and the Bushpuppet and Barrypuppet signed legislation to make it that way.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Not necessarily,
Definition of Bribe:

persuade (someone) to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement.

That's the same thing, I accept that definition.

They're not offering the Senator a "gift of money or other inducement". Again, NOBODY gets any money. A campaign potentially might get money, not a person.

If the person is getting money from the campaign ---- they have a serious problem.

The key words is 'other inducement', it doesn't have to be money.
definition of inducement:
a thing that persuades or influences someone to do something.
The 'thing' is not paying the other candidate the 800+ thousand for a no vote.

That doesn't constitute value in her pocket.

It's not that complex.

?

People throw their money at this candidate or that one all the time. And often because of how they voted while they were in there?

So what?

I think Collins wants to be governor anyway.

If she votes for Kavanaugh, she will lose the women's vote and the majority of independents too.

No she won't. That is just your partisan BS seeping into the thread.

It is not bullshit as you claim, it is a prediction. Time will tell how she votes; will she spin a yes vote, or vote to protect the nation from Trumpism.

quit panicking wry.....we were here after bush...we were here after obama,and we will still be here after trump....

 

[BS Filter]

The key words is 'other inducement', it doesn't have to be money.
definition of inducement:
a thing that persuades or influences someone to do something.
The 'thing' is not paying the other candidate the 800+ thousand for a no vote.

That doesn't constitute value in her pocket.

It's not that complex.

?

People throw their money at this candidate or that one all the time. And often because of how they voted while they were in there?

So what?

I think Collins wants to be governor anyway.

If she votes for Kavanaugh, she will lose the women's vote and the majority of independents too.

No she won't. That is just your partisan BS seeping into the thread.

It is not bullshit as you claim, it is a prediction. Time will tell how she votes; will she spin a yes vote, or vote to protect the nation from Trumpism.

I'd rather have "Trumpism" than socialism or communism.

Communism is passé; Trumpism is fascism!

However, Trump's extreme behavior, and the greed of the plutocrats who support him, can drive others to seek ideologies to mitigate the neo fascist governance Trump has brought to America.

Give me an example of Trump fascism.

 

[Harry Dresden]

That doesn't constitute value in her pocket.

It's not that complex.

If she votes for Kavanaugh, she will lose the women's vote and the majority of independents too.

No she won't. That is just your partisan BS seeping into the thread.

It is not bullshit as you claim, it is a prediction. Time will tell how she votes; will she spin a yes vote, or vote to protect the nation from Trumpism.

I'd rather have "Trumpism" than socialism or communism.

Funny how these Rumpbots like to fling "socialism" and "communism" all day like so many turds, yet can't bring themselves to utter the word "authoritarianism".

The RED SCARE plays a major role in the Right Wings efforts to mislead the public. It is too bad that the biddable can't fathom the reality that Communism and Socialism as written in the Communist Manifesto is
passé. Russia & China have only remnants of Marxist Ideology, and are dominated by Plutocrats who give false adoration to the many, as does Trump.

and of course democrats never try and mislead the public...right wry?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

It seems the liberals have stooped to a new low. They are threatening to give Collin's opponent over 800,000 in campaign contributions if she gives a thumbs up to Kavanaugh. If she votes no they won't give the money to her opponent .

In mid-August, liberal activists started a crowdfunding campaign that aimed to raise $500,000 for Collins’s Democratic challenger in 2020 — a sum that it pledged to return to donors if the incumbent Republican votes “no” on Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination.
Liberal Group Crowdfunds $875,000 for Susan Collins’s Next Challenger

And?

This is how representative democracy works, this is the political process; the people get to make demands, threaten to withhold support, or otherwise support the opposition - just as the Framers intended.

That most on the right don't understand this comes as no surprise.

jones daily drive-by post....

 

[BS Filter]

Idiots cry "fascism", yet never can give an example of Trump fascism.

 

[Pogo]

Idiots cry "fascism", yet never can give an example of Trump fascism.

All you need to do is ask.

This one hits 2, 3, 6 and 7 of Wry's bullet points which to carry forward were:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Suppression of the vote

Roll 'em.

​

I gotta say, my favorite part of the latter is "until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on". So precise, not vague at all, definitely definitely not a lame Appeal to Emotion (course People's Court at 6:30, People's Court), and not at all supremely arrogant in suggesting nobody ever tried to "figure out what the hell is going on" before Numero Uno got here. (/extreme sarc)

For that reason --- insulting the audience's intelligence -- I'd count #11 here as well.

 

[WEATHER53]

Threat and bribery. Total liberal package

 

[Meister]

Does that sound like bribing an elected official to anyone else, or is that just me?

In order to "bribe" somebody you have to put money or something of value in their pocket.

Not necessarily,
Definition of Bribe:

persuade (someone) to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement.

That's the same thing, I accept that definition.

They're not offering the Senator a "gift of money or other inducement". Again, NOBODY gets any money. A campaign potentially might get money, not a person.

If the person is getting money from the campaign ---- they have a serious problem.

The key words is 'other inducement', it doesn't have to be money.
definition of inducement:
a thing that persuades or influences someone to do something.
The 'thing' is not paying the other candidate the 800+ thousand for a no vote.

That doesn't constitute value in her pocket.

It's not that complex.

Your right, it's not that complex, you just need common sense.
It doesn't need to constitute value in her pocket. Let that go.

 

[OldLady]

?

People throw their money at this candidate or that one all the time. And often because of how they voted while they were in there?

So what?

I think Collins wants to be governor anyway.

If she votes for Kavanaugh, she will lose the women's vote and the majority of independents too.

No she won't. Kavanaugh will not be the end of the world OR the end of Roe v. Wade. I believe that is a scare tactic to justify the Democrats' obstruction of his nomination. They are bent on payback, and while I don't blame them for feeling that way, I don't agree with it.

If you watched the nomination process, and actively listened to Kavanaugh, you would understand that your assessment of payback has nothing to do with the process, and more to do with the lack of transparency and efforts by the Chairman and the nominee to mislead the public.

You are right I did not get very involved and only watched a brief portion of the hearings. I was speaking ONLY about Roe v. Wade, which is what this thread is about. I should not have jumped to the conclusion that this was ONLY about payback. Sorry.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It is not bullshit as you claim, it is a prediction. Time will tell how she votes; will she spin a yes vote, or vote to protect the nation from Trumpism.

I'd rather have "Trumpism" than socialism or communism.

Communism is passé; Trumpism is fascism!

However, Trump's extreme behavior, and the greed of the plutocrats who support him, can drive others to seek ideologies to mitigate the neo fascist governance Trump has brought to America.

Examples of fascism by Trump's admin, please?????

You got it:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Suppression of the vote

You and others can find all of these bullet points in the speeches and tweets of Trump, and in the deeds of Republicans governors and Republican dominated legislatures.

DUDE!!!!!! That is the biggest load of bullshit EVER! Nationalism is wrong? How so? What human rights are not being recognized? Are you talking about shoring up border security or are you talking about Barrypuppet's drone strikes?

Sexism? WTF? Controlled mass media? HOLY shit, the lamestream media has been in the backpocket of the deep state commies for decades.

Religion and "gubermint" are intertwined? Got some examples???

Labor power is "suppressed"???? Do tell?

Obsession with crime and punishment? Like the witch-hunt of anyone associated with Trump? Or how Barrypuppet weaponized the IRS to target conservative groups?

Rampant Cronyism and corruption? Uranium One didn't happen under Trump, ya moron.

Suppression of vote? By asking the serfs to have a photo ID when it takes one to do just about anything from driving a car to cashing a check.

MAJOR and EPIC fail, Crycatcher.........MAJOR fail!

FASCISM is what this country has been dealing with since 9/11/01, the biggest false flag ever and the Bushpuppet and Barrypuppet signed legislation to make it that way.

View attachment 216377

Denial is a powerful tool to deflect cognitive dissonance.
Your lack of effort to consider each of these and my text is at best willful ignorance, but it does not and never will change reality.

• Polls closed; hours and days to vote reduced;
• Claims of fake news;
• An administration of cronies spending taxpayer dollars for personal benefits;
• Constant lies and attacks to demean and defame citizens as enemies of the state;
• Denying the Right of the undocumented to due process;
• Ignoring court orders & continuing to punish children, by removing them from their mom and dad;
• Looting taxpayer revenue to feed the Military Industrial Complex;
• Looting taxpayer dollars to rent golf carts to protect the Executive in his hours spent on golf courses, and rent paid in the Trump Tower and other properties by the Secret Service;
• Lies by the Executive who continues to attack the character of women who have accused him of inappropriate sexual behavior;
• The pretense by the Executive and his fellow travelers that he is above the law.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I'd rather have "Trumpism" than socialism or communism.

Communism is passé; Trumpism is fascism!

However, Trump's extreme behavior, and the greed of the plutocrats who support him, can drive others to seek ideologies to mitigate the neo fascist governance Trump has brought to America.

Examples of fascism by Trump's admin, please?????

You got it:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Suppression of the vote

You and others can find all of these bullet points in the speeches and tweets of Trump, and in the deeds of Republicans governors and Republican dominated legislatures.

DUDE!!!!!! That is the biggest load of bullshit EVER! Nationalism is wrong? How so? What human rights are not being recognized? Are you talking about shoring up border security or are you talking about Barrypuppet's drone strikes?

Sexism? WTF? Controlled mass media? HOLY shit, the lamestream media has been in the backpocket of the deep state commies for decades.

Religion and "gubermint" are intertwined? Got some examples???

Labor power is "suppressed"???? Do tell?

Obsession with crime and punishment? Like the witch-hunt of anyone associated with Trump? Or how Barrypuppet weaponized the IRS to target conservative groups?

Rampant Cronyism and corruption? Uranium One didn't happen under Trump, ya moron.

Suppression of vote? By asking the serfs to have a photo ID when it takes one to do just about anything from driving a car to cashing a check.

MAJOR and EPIC fail, Crycatcher.........MAJOR fail!

FASCISM is what this country has been dealing with since 9/11/01, the biggest false flag ever and the Bushpuppet and Barrypuppet signed legislation to make it that way.

View attachment 216377

Denial is a powerful tool to deflect cognitive dissonance.
Your lack of effort to consider each of these and my text is at best willful ignorance, but it does not and never will change reality.

• Polls closed; hours and days to vote reduced;
• Claims of fake news;
• An administration of cronies spending taxpayer dollars for personal benefits;
• Constant lies and attacks to demean and defame citizens as enemies of the state;
• Denying the Right of the undocumented to due process;
• Ignoring court orders & continuing to punish children, by removing them from their mom and dad;
• Looting taxpayer revenue to feed the Military Industrial Complex;
• Looting taxpayer dollars to rent golf carts to protect the Executive in his hours spent on golf courses, and rent paid in the Trump Tower and other properties by the Secret Service;
• Lies by the Executive who continues to attack the character of women who have accused him of inappropriate sexual behavior;
• The pretense by the Executive and his fellow travelers that he is above the law.

Let's all pretend none of these activities are true, or exaggerated.

Let's all pretend Trump is capable, kind and open to new ideas and introspection. It's all good, and we can all have happy thoughts because Trump is good and kind; he is by all accounts being treated unfairly by his enemies. Clearly this unfair treatment is based on the fake news of the MSM and the lies of communists, those who hide behind the banners of liberals, progressives and the nefarious Democrats.

Only the best and brightest know how unfair this is to a man who saved Puerto Rico in their time of need, and made peace with N. Korea, past a tax bill to benefit all of us equally, and has assured us that Putin is good and kind and would never order a cyber attack on our nation. Trump himself says it must be someone else, and he will make America Great Again, once Mexico pays for the Wall.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

It seems the liberals have stooped to a new low. They are threatening to give Collin's opponent over 800,000 in campaign contributions if she gives a thumbs up to Kavanaugh. If she votes no they won't give the money to her opponent .

In mid-August, liberal activists started a crowdfunding campaign that aimed to raise $500,000 for Collins’s Democratic challenger in 2020 — a sum that it pledged to return to donors if the incumbent Republican votes “no” on Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination.
Liberal Group Crowdfunds $875,000 for Susan Collins’s Next Challenger

Free speech or extortion?

This is why we need to publicly fund elections.

 

[OKTexas]

It seems the liberals have stooped to a new low. They are threatening to give Collin's opponent over 800,000 in campaign contributions if she gives a thumbs up to Kavanaugh. If she votes no they won't give the money to her opponent .

In mid-August, liberal activists started a crowdfunding campaign that aimed to raise $500,000 for Collins’s Democratic challenger in 2020 — a sum that it pledged to return to donors if the incumbent Republican votes “no” on Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination.
Liberal Group Crowdfunds $875,000 for Susan Collins’s Next Challenger

Ya know, there's a word for that, it's called "EXTORTION". Last I heard it's illegal in most places. Or did they just put Collins in a position to accept a "BRIBE"?

.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

This is also why I think the SCOTUS ruled wrong when they allowed corporations to flood our politics with corporate money.

 

[WEATHER53]

Liberals very close now to hanging themselves with the portion of the public, liberals and conservative, that choose thought over emotion .

 

[Cecilie1200]

It seems the liberals have stooped to a new low. They are threatening to give Collin's opponent over 800,000 in campaign contributions if she gives a thumbs up to Kavanaugh. If she votes no they won't give the money to her opponent .

In mid-August, liberal activists started a crowdfunding campaign that aimed to raise $500,000 for Collins’s Democratic challenger in 2020 — a sum that it pledged to return to donors if the incumbent Republican votes “no” on Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination.
Liberal Group Crowdfunds $875,000 for Susan Collins’s Next Challenger

Does that sound like bribing an elected official to anyone else, or is that just me?

In order to "bribe" somebody you have to put money or something of value in their pocket.

Fine. We'll go with blackmail, then.

 

[Pogo]

Idiots cry "fascism", yet never can give an example of Trump fascism.

All you need to do is ask.

This one hits 2, 3, 6 and 7 of Wry's bullet points which to carry forward were:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Suppression of the vote

Roll 'em.

​

I gotta say, my favorite part of the latter is "until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on". So precise, not vague at all, definitely definitely not a lame Appeal to Emotion (course People's Court at 6:30, People's Court), and not at all supremely arrogant in suggesting nobody ever tried to "figure out what the hell is going on" before Numero Uno got here. (/extreme sarc)

For that reason --- insulting the audience's intelligence -- I'd count #11 here as well.

But wait! There's more! NOW how much would you pay...

Here's Rump doing a Number One, writ large.

​

Inciting the Unwashed in an Appeal-to-Emotion fetishism exercise, the old State Über Alles song and dance, in the Politics of Division. A message that clearly calls for an obsequious mob to quash any voices of dissent, which of course plays right into the fascist's hands.

Can't help noticing at 0:17 where he stands there staring doing a fricking Mussolini impression. Why is that not immediately obvious?

So I would add to the fascism "DSM-5" list above, Appeal to Mob Mentality/Appeal to Violence. When you're calling for your mob to "beat the crap out of 'em" because "there used to be consequences", because "they'd be carried out on a stretcher" but "we've become weak", when you're calling for riots if you don't win the election, when you're not only characterizing your political opponents as belonging in prison but suggesting your minions actually SHOOT them ---------------- that is undeniably what's going on.