Libertarians Are The True Political Moderates

[dblack]

No, you probably are though. I'm assuming you are a broke ass or at best middle class American so one of three things are true.

1. You are rich and so you don't care that your policies would produce a small rich class, a small merchantile class and a huge population of working poor.

2. Maybe you are in the merchant class and don't care about the masses.

3. You are one of us and a fool who doesn't realize you would die broke in this system.

And you know that you are right and the field of economics is wrong exactly? Is it the typical liberal answer that lawyers told you?

What field of economics agrees with you libertard nuts?

No one likes Libertarians nor do we want them running this country.

Let me ask you, how come the tea baggers are able to get elected all across the country but all you guys have is a cult lunatic following that gets Ron Paul less than 1% of the vote?

If you guys are right, start running for local and state government then for national government and start winning over hearts and minds.

Let me tell you something. Thom Hartmann has Libertarians on a lot and they discuss what they agree on and what they disagree on. You guys can call us socialists all you want. No one likes your political philosophy. At least not enough to win you any elections. So go fuck yourselves.

You're askin", AND you're tellin". You're really layin down the law!

 

[sealybobo]

I realize you don't do things like read posts before you respond to them, including the OP. But here's the interesting thing in this thread. I specifically said in my OP post that I am referring to small government libertarians and not anarchists.

Wow, are you an idiot or what?

Stop projecting

Small Gov't? Whose definition? , I want EFFECTIVE Gov't, something you klowns don't actually want. You can't point to ONE state/nation to EVER use your myths and fairy tales effectively!

Define effective government, if you can. While you are at it, do you consider our current government effective? If yes, can you show me an example of it being effective? If no, can you explain why it is ineffective?

It is ineffective because the rich have taken over our government. Our politicians don't give a fuck about We the People anymore. They work for the corporations and lobbyists.

People in other countries laugh at you dumb fucking Americans. You think the taxes that apply to rich people apply to you. They don't. So when they cut services, the rich people's taxes go down and all you do is get less services. And then eventually things start to break and since the rich refuse to pay one more dime, that means your taxes go up you dumb fuckers.

 

[sealybobo]

This will save America $20b/yr to start:

First year, $20b, automatically, simply by not arresting growers and destroying crops. Tax revenue will add considerably more.

This is how Libertarians win over pissed off republicans. They found 4 things that make them different:

1. No wars in other countries
2. Pot and prostitution should be legal
3. It's been awhile, I forget the other 2 because it really doesn't matter.

All Libertarians are are Republicans in Libertarian clothing. Sure a libertarian doesn't care if you smoke pot as long as you are ok with living in their survival of the fittest anything goes society.

What do we do if we have a drug problem? Let the market decide. What if corporations are destroying the planet? People can stop buying their products. Let the market decide.

But what if they have monopolies? Because the maga corporations do have monopolies. And to not have regulations means not to have rules and any fool who doesn't own a mega corporation but thinks this will be good for them is sadly mistaken. They've sucked on Ron Paul's racist balls too long.

 

[Antares]

Stop projecting

Small Gov't? Whose definition? , I want EFFECTIVE Gov't, something you klowns don't actually want. You can't point to ONE state/nation to EVER use your myths and fairy tales effectively!

Define effective government, if you can. While you are at it, do you consider our current government effective? If yes, can you show me an example of it being effective? If no, can you explain why it is ineffective?

It is ineffective because the rich have taken over our government. Our politicians don't give a fuck about We the People anymore. They work for the corporations and lobbyists.

People in other countries laugh at you dumb fucking Americans. You think the taxes that apply to rich people apply to you. They don't. So when they cut services, the rich people's taxes go down and all you do is get less services. And then eventually things start to break and since the rich refuse to pay one more dime, that means your taxes go up you dumb fuckers.

It's ineffective by it's very nature.

Our taxes go up because the Gov wants to pay lazy assholes like you and your relatives to vote for them.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Stop projecting

Small Gov't? Whose definition? , I want EFFECTIVE Gov't, something you klowns don't actually want. You can't point to ONE state/nation to EVER use your myths and fairy tales effectively!

Define effective government, if you can. While you are at it, do you consider our current government effective? If yes, can you show me an example of it being effective? If no, can you explain why it is ineffective?

It is ineffective because the rich have taken over our government. Our politicians don't give a fuck about We the People anymore. They work for the corporations and lobbyists.

People in other countries laugh at you dumb fucking Americans. You think the taxes that apply to rich people apply to you. They don't. So when they cut services, the rich people's taxes go down and all you do is get less services. And then eventually things start to break and since the rich refuse to pay one more dime, that means your taxes go up you dumb fuckers.

You just proved you don't know anything about what is wrong with this country, what a surprise to anyone that has read anything you posted.

 

[sealybobo]

I realize you don't do things like read posts before you respond to them, including the OP. But here's the interesting thing in this thread. I specifically said in my OP post that I am referring to small government libertarians and not anarchists.

Wow, are you an idiot or what?

Stop projecting

Small Gov't? Whose definition? , I want EFFECTIVE Gov't, something you klowns don't actually want. You can't point to ONE state/nation to EVER use your myths and fairy tales effectively!

"Effective Government"is an oxymoron.

There is no such thing.

No, we could have an effective government if we would just take it back but we can't because the rich have divided us. They got half of us (you) thinking you belong to the republican party. Sorry pal but you aren't rich enough to be in the GOP. But because of racism, god gays and guns they got you voting with them and against yourself. Schmuck.

'You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government'

 

[sealybobo]

Define effective government, if you can. While you are at it, do you consider our current government effective? If yes, can you show me an example of it being effective? If no, can you explain why it is ineffective?

It is ineffective because the rich have taken over our government. Our politicians don't give a fuck about We the People anymore. They work for the corporations and lobbyists.

People in other countries laugh at you dumb fucking Americans. You think the taxes that apply to rich people apply to you. They don't. So when they cut services, the rich people's taxes go down and all you do is get less services. And then eventually things start to break and since the rich refuse to pay one more dime, that means your taxes go up you dumb fuckers.

You just proved you don't know anything about what is wrong with this country, what a surprise to anyone that has read anything you posted.

Bullshit. I just read another poster who said pot will save US millions. Who is that fool kidding? If the US government takes in millions more dollars, they aren't going to strenghten ss or medicare, they are going to give the tax savings to the rich and to the corporations, and your taxes are going to go up and the debt will still climb.

I know I'm not going to convince you and I don't want to go back and forth. Either you are really rich or really stupid. Bye.

 

[dblack]

I realize you don't do things like read posts before you respond to them, including the OP. But here's the interesting thing in this thread. I specifically said in my OP post that I am referring to small government libertarians and not anarchists.

Wow, are you an idiot or what?

Stop projecting

Small Gov't? Whose definition? , I want EFFECTIVE Gov't, something you klowns don't actually want. You can't point to ONE state/nation to EVER use your myths and fairy tales effectively!

Effective at what? What do you think government is for? That's the real question. For what it's worth I agree: government should be big enough to effectively perform its legitimate functions.

I'm not surprised you skipped this question. It's probably hard for you not to say EVERYTHING!! Let me make it easier for you. Is there ANYTHING you think government should not do?

 

[sealybobo]

Define effective government, if you can. While you are at it, do you consider our current government effective? If yes, can you show me an example of it being effective? If no, can you explain why it is ineffective?

It is ineffective because the rich have taken over our government. Our politicians don't give a fuck about We the People anymore. They work for the corporations and lobbyists.

People in other countries laugh at you dumb fucking Americans. You think the taxes that apply to rich people apply to you. They don't. So when they cut services, the rich people's taxes go down and all you do is get less services. And then eventually things start to break and since the rich refuse to pay one more dime, that means your taxes go up you dumb fuckers.

It's ineffective by it's very nature.

Our taxes go up because the Gov wants to pay lazy assholes like you and your relatives to vote for them.

What a dumb ass you are Nobles Need Not Pay Taxes

 

[Antares]

Stop projecting

Small Gov't? Whose definition? , I want EFFECTIVE Gov't, something you klowns don't actually want. You can't point to ONE state/nation to EVER use your myths and fairy tales effectively!

"Effective Government"is an oxymoron.

There is no such thing.

No, we could have an effective government if we would just take it back but we can't because the rich have divided us. They got half of us (you) thinking you belong to the republican party. Sorry pal but you aren't rich enough to be in the GOP. But because of racism, god gays and guns they got you voting with them and against yourself. Schmuck.

'You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government'

LOL.

There is NO such thing as effective Gov, never has been.

But because of racism, god gays and guns they got you voting with them and against yourself. Schmuck.

Too funny
I am married to a black woman, my sister is married to her partner, I practice no religion, and I can knock a Rooster out of the air at 50-60 yards.....

You?

You are nothing more than a cliche spouting lemming who depends on the Gov for his/her every need.

Now....you go ahead and vote for Hillary.

 

[sealybobo]

Define effective government, if you can. While you are at it, do you consider our current government effective? If yes, can you show me an example of it being effective? If no, can you explain why it is ineffective?

It is ineffective because the rich have taken over our government. Our politicians don't give a fuck about We the People anymore. They work for the corporations and lobbyists.

People in other countries laugh at you dumb fucking Americans. You think the taxes that apply to rich people apply to you. They don't. So when they cut services, the rich people's taxes go down and all you do is get less services. And then eventually things start to break and since the rich refuse to pay one more dime, that means your taxes go up you dumb fuckers.

It's ineffective by it's very nature.

Our taxes go up because the Gov wants to pay lazy assholes like you and your relatives to vote for them.

Yea, that Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were cock suckers huh? I bet we'd be even more free if they would have just handed over the country to the Robber Barons.

You guys have been brainwashed to think your government is the problem but the problem is it isn't your government anymore. Well it is because you are the stupid cock suckers who voted for Bush.

 

[sealybobo]

"Effective Government"is an oxymoron.

There is no such thing.

No, we could have an effective government if we would just take it back but we can't because the rich have divided us. They got half of us (you) thinking you belong to the republican party. Sorry pal but you aren't rich enough to be in the GOP. But because of racism, god gays and guns they got you voting with them and against yourself. Schmuck.

'You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government'

LOL.

There is NO such thing as effective Gov, never has been.

But because of racism, god gays and guns they got you voting with them and against yourself. Schmuck.

Too funny
I am married to a black woman, my sister is married to her partner, I practice no religion, and I can knock a Rooster out of the air at 50-60 yards.....

You?

You are nothing more than a cliche spouting lemming who depends on the Gov for his/her every need.

Now....you go ahead and vote for Hillary.

Yea and Mr. Sterling of the Clippers likes black chicks too.

And hey, I know gays who can't wait for the GOP to open up their tent and let them in. White rich men aren't the only ones who get to be assholes or fools. Look at you.

I see the value in MY government. I don't want it to go away because government is the referee. If you don't think class warfare exists and the rich are winning, wake up white boy.

You remind me of Billy Bob Thorton in that movie where he was fucking Holly Berry. Make her feel good!!!

 

[sealybobo]

"Effective Government"is an oxymoron.

There is no such thing.

No, we could have an effective government if we would just take it back but we can't because the rich have divided us. They got half of us (you) thinking you belong to the republican party. Sorry pal but you aren't rich enough to be in the GOP. But because of racism, god gays and guns they got you voting with them and against yourself. Schmuck.

'You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government'

LOL.

There is NO such thing as effective Gov, never has been.

But because of racism, god gays and guns they got you voting with them and against yourself. Schmuck.

Too funny
I am married to a black woman, my sister is married to her partner, I practice no religion, and I can knock a Rooster out of the air at 50-60 yards.....

You?

You are nothing more than a cliche spouting lemming who depends on the Gov for his/her every need.

Now....you go ahead and vote for Hillary.

Herman Cain is married to a black woman too so what?

 

[dblack]

You guys have been brainwashed to think your government is the problem but the problem is it isn't your government anymore. Well it is because you are the stupid cock suckers who voted for Bush.

Huh, maybe the light bulb is just starting to flicker a bit for you. Think about what you just realized. All the power you are so eager to give government when your guys are in charge is still in effect when the assholes take over.

 

[Antares]

It is ineffective because the rich have taken over our government. Our politicians don't give a fuck about We the People anymore. They work for the corporations and lobbyists.

People in other countries laugh at you dumb fucking Americans. You think the taxes that apply to rich people apply to you. They don't. So when they cut services, the rich people's taxes go down and all you do is get less services. And then eventually things start to break and since the rich refuse to pay one more dime, that means your taxes go up you dumb fuckers.

It's ineffective by it's very nature.

Our taxes go up because the Gov wants to pay lazy assholes like you and your relatives to vote for them.

Yea, that Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were cock suckers huh? I bet we'd be even more free if they would have just handed over the country to the Robber Barons.

You guys have been brainwashed to think your government is the problem but the problem is it isn't your government anymore. Well it is because you are the stupid cock suckers who voted for Bush.

I can't speak for Tom or George, but I pretty sure you are a rump ranger....hence the anger issues.

I can also tell you this.....I don't need your Gov to give me things, I don't need food stamps, I don't need Obama to lecture me about well anything.

You think the world owes you "stuff", it doesn't.

Nobody owes you shit and you don't have the balls to take it or earn it.....you just stand there with your hand out and your mouth open hoping for a little Bammy jizz.

All I care about, me, Mr. Common Man Conservative is that you pecker heads just worry about you...and if YOU want more you do like I do, you go earn it.

Work longer, work harder, work more.

Save.

Just like I do.

 

[sealybobo]

Define effective government, if you can. While you are at it, do you consider our current government effective? If yes, can you show me an example of it being effective? If no, can you explain why it is ineffective?

It is ineffective because the rich have taken over our government. Our politicians don't give a fuck about We the People anymore. They work for the corporations and lobbyists.

People in other countries laugh at you dumb fucking Americans. You think the taxes that apply to rich people apply to you. They don't. So when they cut services, the rich people's taxes go down and all you do is get less services. And then eventually things start to break and since the rich refuse to pay one more dime, that means your taxes go up you dumb fuckers.

It's ineffective by it's very nature.

Our taxes go up because the Gov wants to pay lazy assholes like you and your relatives to vote for them.

Does this sound to anyone like "moderate"?

Libertarians are trying to win over disinfranchised Republicans and Independents but the fact is in some ways they are even more extreme than Republicans. Like the tea baggers who tried to shut the government down. Anarchists.

And what reason would the rich have for not supporting the libertarians? Seems like they would clean up when its winner take all and very low taxes and zero government interference.

 

[Antares]

No, we could have an effective government if we would just take it back but we can't because the rich have divided us. They got half of us (you) thinking you belong to the republican party. Sorry pal but you aren't rich enough to be in the GOP. But because of racism, god gays and guns they got you voting with them and against yourself. Schmuck.

'You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government'

LOL.

There is NO such thing as effective Gov, never has been.

But because of racism, god gays and guns they got you voting with them and against yourself. Schmuck.

Too funny
I am married to a black woman, my sister is married to her partner, I practice no religion, and I can knock a Rooster out of the air at 50-60 yards.....

You?

You are nothing more than a cliche spouting lemming who depends on the Gov for his/her every need.

Now....you go ahead and vote for Hillary.

Yea and Mr. Sterling of the Clippers likes black chicks too.

And hey, I know gays who can't wait for the GOP to open up their tent and let them in. White rich men aren't the only ones who get to be assholes or fools. Look at you.

I see the value in MY government. I don't want it to go away because government is the referee. If you don't think class warfare exists and the rich are winning, wake up white boy.

You remind me of Billy Bob Thorton in that movie where he was fucking Holly Berry. Make her feel good!!!

NOW I get it....you jus anotha Nigga with a hard on for ******

Go get your food stamps and just thank me boy.

 

[sealybobo]

It's ineffective by it's very nature.

Our taxes go up because the Gov wants to pay lazy assholes like you and your relatives to vote for them.

Yea, that Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were cock suckers huh? I bet we'd be even more free if they would have just handed over the country to the Robber Barons.

You guys have been brainwashed to think your government is the problem but the problem is it isn't your government anymore. Well it is because you are the stupid cock suckers who voted for Bush.

I can't speak for Tom or George, but I pretty sure you are a rump ranger....hence the anger issues.

I can also tell you this.....I don't need your Gov to give me things, I don't need food stamps, I don't need Obama to lecture me about well anything.

You think the world owes you "stuff", it doesn't.

Nobody owes you shit and you don't have the balls to take it or earn it.....you just stand there with your hand out and your mouth open hoping for a little Bammy jizz.

All I care about, me, Mr. Common Man Conservative is that you pecker heads just worry about you...and if YOU want more you do like I do, you go earn it.

Work longer, work harder, work more.

Save.

Just like I do.

You didn't benefit from a good public school? Why, are your parents rich enough to send you to a good private school?

I was going to expound but then I read where you said work longer, harder and more???

Really you fool? Seems to me the liberals/unions/democrats/progressives fought and won you a 40 hour work week. Before that it was 80. No overtime. You are simply a fool.

But if you want to work harder and longer for less go for it.

Reagan, like George W. Bush after him, failed to understand that when people come together into community, and then into nationhood, that they organize themselves to protect themselves from predators, both human and corporate, both domestic and foreign. This form of organization is called government.

But the Reagan/Bush ideologues don't "believe" in government, in anything other than a military and police capacity. Government should punish, they agree, but it should never nurture, protect, or defend individuals. Nurturing and protecting, they suggest, is the more appropriate role of religious institutions, private charities, families, and - perhaps most important - corporations.

Let the corporations handle your old-age pension. Let the corporations decide how much protection we and our environment need from their toxics. Let the corporations decide what we're paid. Let the corporations decide what doctor we can see, when, and for what purpose.

This is the exact opposite of the vision for which the Founders of this nation fought and died. When Thomas Jefferson changed John Locke's "Life, liberty, and private property" to "Live, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," it was the first time in the history of the world that a newly founded nation had written the word "happiness" into its founding document. The phrase "promote the general welfare" - another revolutionary concept - first appeared in the preamble to our Constitution in 1787.

Talk show cons and TV talking head cons and political cons - both Republican and DLC Democratic - repeat the mantra of "smaller government," and Americans nod their heads in agreement, not realizing the hidden agenda at work.

 

[sealybobo]

LOL.

There is NO such thing as effective Gov, never has been.

But because of racism, god gays and guns they got you voting with them and against yourself. Schmuck.

Too funny
I am married to a black woman, my sister is married to her partner, I practice no religion, and I can knock a Rooster out of the air at 50-60 yards.....

You?

You are nothing more than a cliche spouting lemming who depends on the Gov for his/her every need.

Now....you go ahead and vote for Hillary.

Yea and Mr. Sterling of the Clippers likes black chicks too.

And hey, I know gays who can't wait for the GOP to open up their tent and let them in. White rich men aren't the only ones who get to be assholes or fools. Look at you.

I see the value in MY government. I don't want it to go away because government is the referee. If you don't think class warfare exists and the rich are winning, wake up white boy.

You remind me of Billy Bob Thorton in that movie where he was fucking Holly Berry. Make her feel good!!!

NOW I get it....you jus anotha Nigga with a hard on for ******

Go get your food stamps and just thank me boy.

Reagan was the first American president to actually preach that his own job was a bad thing. He once said, "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." One can only assume he was speaking of himself and his fellow Republicans, and certainly the current Congress's devotion to the interests of inherited wealth and large corporations displays how badly his philosophy has corrupted a role so noble it drew idealists like Jefferson, Lincoln, and the two Roosevelts.

But cons can't imagine anybody wanting to devote their lives to the service of their nation. The highest calling in their minds is to make profit.

As Reagan said: "The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away."

This mind-set - that the only purpose for service in government is to set up the interests of business - may account for why not a single military-eligible member of the Bush or Cheney families has enlisted in their parents' "Noble Cause," whereas all four sons of Franklin Roosevelt joined and each was decorated - on merit - for bravery in the deadly conflict of World War II.

There are, after all, no reasons in the conservative worldview for government service other than self-enrichment.

 

[sealybobo]

You guys have been brainwashed to think your government is the problem but the problem is it isn't your government anymore. Well it is because you are the stupid cock suckers who voted for Bush.

Huh, maybe the light bulb is just starting to flicker a bit for you. Think about what you just realized. All the power you are so eager to give government when your guys are in charge is still in effect when the assholes take over.

What they don't say is that the reason they want to remove government in its protective capacity is because they can then make an enormous amount of money, and have a lot of control over people's lives, when they privatize former governmental functions. They want a power vacuum, so corporations and the rich can step in. And with no limits on the inheritability of riches after the "death tax" is ended, wealth vast enough to take over the government can emerge.

Given this conservative world-view, it shouldn't surprise us that in 2001 George W. Bush appointed his 2000 presidential campaign manager (Joseph Albaugh) as head of FEMA, or that two years later Albaugh would have left FEMA to start a consulting firm to marry corporations with Iraq "reconstruction" federal dollars, and put in charge of FEMA his assistant (and old college roommate), an equally unqualified former failed executive with the International Arabian Horse Association.

It also shouldn't surprise us that although Dick Cheney has stayed on vacation in Wyoming through all of this, his company, Halliburton, has already obtained a multi-million-dollar contract to profit from Hurricane Katrina's cleanup.