Libertarians Are The True Political Moderates

[sealybobo]

Libertarians want government limited to those functions which only government can do. Most of us would generally agree with police, military, civil and criminal courts, roads, management of limited resources and recognition of property rights. I am not referring to anarchists who want no government here who like calling themselves libertarians, I am referring to the masses of us who want government limited, not eliminated.

Fiscal polices. We want taxes, but we want them low, flat and for the good of the people as a whole and not used for income redistribution. The left are the extremists here not only punishing success and harming employers, but even using tax COLLECTION as a welfare program with refundable tax credits. We are moderates, taxes should be reasonable and to fund the government, not implement social policy. And spending should be within our means.

Social policies. Socons go to church (or other religious institutions) then go to government to implement morality by force. Clearly they are the extremists. Libertarians believe they should have the right to persuade people to live moral lives, they should not have the right to force their morality on them. We are, the moderates.

NeoCons. We want the military used for the defense of the United States. We don't want to be policeman to the world like the right, we also don't blame our troops for the failures of our politicians like the left. And we don't want them in everyone's back yard, like both sides do. We are moderates, protect and defend, don't use force to make other's decisions just like we don't want government making our decisions here.

Republicans and Democrats are just so deep into the question of what government can do to impose their social and fiscal wills on us, they have stopped even asking the question, should government even do that? Do we have the right to make that choice for everyone and use force to impose it on all our citizens? Libertarians are the moderates, that is the first question we ask, that is the right question to answer before proceeding any further.

Except for the few issues like pot, Libertarians are extreme republicans. The only thing they think Bush did wrong was he didn't deregulate enough. They are anarchists. They want to destroy the system then implement their Ayn Rand survival of the fittest every man for himself dog eat dog government.

We're extreme conservatives, and we're also anarchists. You're a moron. That's just stupid, you're a moron, TrainedSeal.

Liberals cannot grasp the concept of small government. Not non-existent, small.

We see right through you anti government types.

'You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government'

 

[kaz]

Moderate just means Big Pussy.

You mean a big pussy like a socon who runs to government because they are too butt lazy to convince people to lead a moral life so they run to government to use guns to force people behave morally with their own bodies?

 

[kaz]

Except for the few issues like pot, Libertarians are extreme republicans. The only thing they think Bush did wrong was he didn't deregulate enough. They are anarchists. They want to destroy the system then implement their Ayn Rand survival of the fittest every man for himself dog eat dog government.

We're extreme conservatives, and we're also anarchists. You're a moron. That's just stupid, you're a moron, TrainedSeal.

Liberals cannot grasp the concept of small government. Not non-existent, small.

We see right through you anti government types.

'You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government'

I realize you don't do things like read posts before you respond to them, including the OP. But here's the interesting thing in this thread. I specifically said in my OP post that I am referring to small government libertarians and not anarchists.

Wow, are you an idiot or what?

 

[Contumacious]

Except for the few issues like pot, Libertarians are extreme republicans. The only thing they think Bush did wrong was he didn't deregulate enough. They are anarchists. They want to destroy the system then implement their Ayn Rand survival of the fittest every man for himself dog eat dog government.

Yo retard

what kinds of things do we want to implement which were not approved by the Founding Fathers?

General Welfare clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

HUH?


the Supreme Court held the understanding of the General Welfare Clause contained in the Taxing and Spending Clause adheres to the construction given it by Associate Justice Joseph Story in his 1833 Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States.[4][5] Justice Story concluded that the General Welfare Clause is not a grant of general legislative power,[4][6] but a qualification on the taxing power[4][7][8] which includes within it a federal power to spend federal revenues on matters of general interest to the federal government.[4][9][10] T

 

[thanatos144]

Moderate just means Big Pussy.

You mean a big pussy like a socon who runs to government because they are too butt lazy to convince people to lead a moral life so they run to government to use guns to force people behave morally with their own bodies?

More like big pussy to afraid others might not approve.... Fuck that I am a conservative. I am also a Christian that doesn't like Baby murder. To much for you? I dont fucking care.

 

[sealybobo]

We're extreme conservatives, and we're also anarchists. You're a moron. That's just stupid, you're a moron, TrainedSeal.

Liberals cannot grasp the concept of small government. Not non-existent, small.

We see right through you anti government types.

'You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government'

I realize you don't do things like read posts before you respond to them, including the OP. But here's the interesting thing in this thread. I specifically said in my OP post that I am referring to small government libertarians and not anarchists.

Wow, are you an idiot or what?

No, you probably are though. I'm assuming you are a broke ass or at best middle class American so one of three things are true.

1. You are rich and so you don't care that your policies would produce a small rich class, a small merchantile class and a huge population of working poor.

2. Maybe you are in the merchant class and don't care about the masses.

3. You are one of us and a fool who doesn't realize you would die broke in this system.

 

[sealybobo]

Moderate just means Big Pussy.

You mean a big pussy like a socon who runs to government because they are too butt lazy to convince people to lead a moral life so they run to government to use guns to force people behave morally with their own bodies?

More like big pussy to afraid others might not approve.... Fuck that I am a conservative. I am also a Christian that doesn't like Baby murder. To much for you? I dont fucking care.

See what I mean everyone? The rich sucker people who are socially conservative into going along with everything they want to do. Pollute the earth? Sure. Give the rich tax breaks? Absolutely. Ship jobs overseas? Why not.

The deep dirty broke southern hicks are a perfect example. The rich use god, gays, guns and racism to get those stupid Americans to vote against themselves financially.

So it is no surprise you are a conservative financially too. Unfortunately you don't make enough money for these policies to benefit you but that hasn't stopped you guys in 60 years so whatever.

 

[RKMBrown]

You mean a big pussy like a socon who runs to government because they are too butt lazy to convince people to lead a moral life so they run to government to use guns to force people behave morally with their own bodies?

More like big pussy to afraid others might not approve.... Fuck that I am a conservative. I am also a Christian that doesn't like Baby murder. To much for you? I dont fucking care.

See what I mean everyone? The rich sucker people who are socially conservative into going along with everything they want to do. Pollute the earth? Sure. Give the rich tax breaks? Absolutely. Ship jobs overseas? Why not.

The deep dirty broke southern hicks are a perfect example. The rich use god, gays, guns and racism to get those stupid Americans to vote against themselves financially.

So it is no surprise you are a conservative financially too. Unfortunately you don't make enough money for these policies to benefit you but that hasn't stopped you guys in 60 years so whatever.

See folks, these lib moochers have no class.

 

[kaz]

Moderate just means Big Pussy.

You mean a big pussy like a socon who runs to government because they are too butt lazy to convince people to lead a moral life so they run to government to use guns to force people behave morally with their own bodies?

More like big pussy to afraid others might not approve.... Fuck that I am a conservative. I am also a Christian that doesn't like Baby murder. To much for you? I dont fucking care.

The liberals and the socons are the same animal. Both in love with government, both want government to do your work for you, both want your will imposed on everyone with force.

And you argue the same. Oh, you're not for government using force to decide what people can do with their own bodies? That mans you're in favor of drugs!

Does this sound familiar? Oh, so you're against government confiscating money earned by one person by force and and distributed to someone who didn't' earn it? That means you're against charity!

No, I'm against government using force to make it's citizens choices for them. I'm consistently moderate that way.

 

[kaz]

We see right through you anti government types.

'You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government'

I realize you don't do things like read posts before you respond to them, including the OP. But here's the interesting thing in this thread. I specifically said in my OP post that I am referring to small government libertarians and not anarchists.

Wow, are you an idiot or what?

No, you probably are though. I'm assuming you are a broke ass or at best middle class American so one of three things are true.

1. You are rich and so you don't care that your policies would produce a small rich class, a small merchantile class and a huge population of working poor.

2. Maybe you are in the merchant class and don't care about the masses.

3. You are one of us and a fool who doesn't realize you would die broke in this system.

And you know that you are right and the field of economics is wrong exactly? Is it the typical liberal answer that lawyers told you?

 

[kaz]

You mean a big pussy like a socon who runs to government because they are too butt lazy to convince people to lead a moral life so they run to government to use guns to force people behave morally with their own bodies?

More like big pussy to afraid others might not approve.... Fuck that I am a conservative. I am also a Christian that doesn't like Baby murder. To much for you? I dont fucking care.

See what I mean everyone? The rich sucker people who are socially conservative into going along with everything they want to do. Pollute the earth? Sure. Give the rich tax breaks? Absolutely. Ship jobs overseas? Why not.

The deep dirty broke southern hicks are a perfect example. The rich use god, gays, guns and racism to get those stupid Americans to vote against themselves financially.

So it is no surprise you are a conservative financially too. Unfortunately you don't make enough money for these policies to benefit you but that hasn't stopped you guys in 60 years so whatever.

LOL, you're telling off a conservative, who is telling me off, and you are calling me an extreme conservative. LOL. I pointed out that both the left are calling me a conservative and the right a liberal in the same thread, you did it in the same post! Bam!

Can't make up what you people actually believe. I'm an anarchist too, right? While I'm an extreme conservative? Who's being knocked by a conservative?

 

[kaz]

More like big pussy to afraid others might not approve.... Fuck that I am a conservative. I am also a Christian that doesn't like Baby murder. To much for you? I dont fucking care.

See what I mean everyone? The rich sucker people who are socially conservative into going along with everything they want to do. Pollute the earth? Sure. Give the rich tax breaks? Absolutely. Ship jobs overseas? Why not.

The deep dirty broke southern hicks are a perfect example. The rich use god, gays, guns and racism to get those stupid Americans to vote against themselves financially.

So it is no surprise you are a conservative financially too. Unfortunately you don't make enough money for these policies to benefit you but that hasn't stopped you guys in 60 years so whatever.

See folks, these lib moochers have no class.

They aren't smart enough to. See the last post. Wow!

 

[Dad2three]

We're extreme conservatives, and we're also anarchists. You're a moron. That's just stupid, you're a moron, TrainedSeal.

Liberals cannot grasp the concept of small government. Not non-existent, small.

We see right through you anti government types.

'You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government'

I realize you don't do things like read posts before you respond to them, including the OP. But here's the interesting thing in this thread. I specifically said in my OP post that I am referring to small government libertarians and not anarchists.

Wow, are you an idiot or what?

Stop projecting

Small Gov't? Whose definition? , I want EFFECTIVE Gov't, something you klowns don't actually want. You can't point to ONE state/nation to EVER use your myths and fairy tales effectively!

 

[Dad2three]

Yo retard

what kinds of things do we want to implement which were not approved by the Founding Fathers?

General Welfare clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

HUH?


the Supreme Court held the understanding of the General Welfare Clause contained in the Taxing and Spending Clause adheres to the construction given it by Associate Justice Joseph Story in his 1833 Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States.[4][5] Justice Story concluded that the General Welfare Clause is not a grant of general legislative power,[4][6] but a qualification on the taxing power[4][7][8] which includes within it a federal power to spend federal revenues on matters of general interest to the federal government.[4][9][10] T

Like SCOTUS has deemed CONSTITUTIONAL, SS, Medicare, Medicare, etc



GENERAL WELFARE

 

[dblack]

We see right through you anti government types.

'You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government'

I realize you don't do things like read posts before you respond to them, including the OP. But here's the interesting thing in this thread. I specifically said in my OP post that I am referring to small government libertarians and not anarchists.

Wow, are you an idiot or what?

Stop projecting

Small Gov't? Whose definition? , I want EFFECTIVE Gov't, something you klowns don't actually want. You can't point to ONE state/nation to EVER use your myths and fairy tales effectively!

Effective at what? What do you think government is for? That's the real question. For what it's worth I agree: government should be big enough to effectively perform its legitimate functions.

 

[Antares]

We see right through you anti government types.

'You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government'

I realize you don't do things like read posts before you respond to them, including the OP. But here's the interesting thing in this thread. I specifically said in my OP post that I am referring to small government libertarians and not anarchists.

Wow, are you an idiot or what?

Stop projecting

Small Gov't? Whose definition? , I want EFFECTIVE Gov't, something you klowns don't actually want. You can't point to ONE state/nation to EVER use your myths and fairy tales effectively!

"Effective Government"is an oxymoron.

There is no such thing.

 

[KNB]

This will save America $20b/yr to start:

First year, $20b, automatically, simply by not arresting growers and destroying crops. Tax revenue will add considerably more.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

We see right through you anti government types.

'You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government'

I realize you don't do things like read posts before you respond to them, including the OP. But here's the interesting thing in this thread. I specifically said in my OP post that I am referring to small government libertarians and not anarchists.

Wow, are you an idiot or what?

Stop projecting

Small Gov't? Whose definition? , I want EFFECTIVE Gov't, something you klowns don't actually want. You can't point to ONE state/nation to EVER use your myths and fairy tales effectively!

Define effective government, if you can. While you are at it, do you consider our current government effective? If yes, can you show me an example of it being effective? If no, can you explain why it is ineffective?

 

[sealybobo]

I realize you don't do things like read posts before you respond to them, including the OP. But here's the interesting thing in this thread. I specifically said in my OP post that I am referring to small government libertarians and not anarchists.

Wow, are you an idiot or what?

No, you probably are though. I'm assuming you are a broke ass or at best middle class American so one of three things are true.

1. You are rich and so you don't care that your policies would produce a small rich class, a small merchantile class and a huge population of working poor.

2. Maybe you are in the merchant class and don't care about the masses.

3. You are one of us and a fool who doesn't realize you would die broke in this system.

And you know that you are right and the field of economics is wrong exactly? Is it the typical liberal answer that lawyers told you?

What field of economics agrees with you libertard nuts?

No one likes Libertarians nor do we want them running this country.

Let me ask you, how come the tea baggers are able to get elected all across the country but all you guys have is a cult lunatic following that gets Ron Paul less than 1% of the vote?

If you guys are right, start running for local and state government then for national government and start winning over hearts and minds.

Let me tell you something. Thom Hartmann has Libertarians on a lot and they discuss what they agree on and what they disagree on. You guys can call us socialists all you want. No one likes your political philosophy. At least not enough to win you any elections. So go fuck yourselves.

 

[sealybobo]

We see right through you anti government types.

'You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government'

I realize you don't do things like read posts before you respond to them, including the OP. But here's the interesting thing in this thread. I specifically said in my OP post that I am referring to small government libertarians and not anarchists.

Wow, are you an idiot or what?

Stop projecting

Small Gov't? Whose definition? , I want EFFECTIVE Gov't, something you klowns don't actually want. You can't point to ONE state/nation to EVER use your myths and fairy tales effectively!

Exactly. We know exactly what their policies will produce. Small rich and merchantile classes and a huge working poor class formerly called serfs or peasants.

We tried their ways 2 times and it led to the great depression and great recession of 2007. Libertarians can go fuck themselves. Ron Paul can eat a dick.

I worked with the head of the Michigan Libertarian Party. We discussed politics on breaks and at lunch. No problem couldn't be solved with less regulations and every problem we have is because of regulations. Stupid fucks. Not the rich who are pushing this message. They are smart. Just like the rich people who control the stupid fucking tea baggers.

And Ron Paul was around a long time before the tea party. Conservatives don't even vote for Libertarians. They vote for tea baggers like Michelle Bachmann.

What's the difference between a tea bagger and a libertarian? Not much. Not enough to get me to vote for either of them.