Libertarians Are The True Political Moderates

[NYcarbineer]

Libertarian is just a word some rightwing nuts use to describe themselves because they think it has some sort of cachet.

 

[Dad2three]

Keep telling yourself that. The more people learn about, the more people hate it.

Sure, and single payer H/C in EVERY industrialized nation is failing too? That's why the opponents of it can't come up with ONE poll EVER that ANY nation with UHC wants to get rid of it or get US style H/C...lol

Could that be because no one ever asks?

Sure, right wing 'think tanks' spend HUNDREDS of millions to create the MYTH OF REAGAN, but doesn't poll other nations on H/C *Shaking head*



Canadians strongly support the health system's public rather than for-profit private basis, and a 2009 poll by Nanos Research found 86.2% of Canadians surveyed supported or strongly supported "public solutions to make our public health care stronger."

A Strategic Counsel survey found 91% of Canadians prefer their healthcare system instead of a U.S. style system.

Canada overwhelmingly supports public health care | National Union of Public and General Employees


According to a Harris Poll of all industrial nations, Americans are the least satisfied with their health care.


Single Payer Health Care System


U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries - Forbes

 

[Dad2three]

Unfortunately, my government will make NO demands from you.

Your government in th other hand will make demands from me. Your government will demand that I be my brothers' keepers. Your government will demand that I pay so that the military can engage in expensive and useless wars.

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We are talking about OUR Government as established by We the People. The greatest government in the history of mankind

Those "demands"have put a man on the moon, rescued the world in WWII, funded medical research, technology innovations, safe food and water supplies.....

Few of which would have been achieved by a libertarian government

A government big enough to give to you is big enough to take away from you.

"WE THE PEOPLE" did NOT authorize the government to put a man on the moon, to rescue the world in WWII, to fund medical research, to promote technology innovations, nor ensure safe food and water supplies.....

If there is a need for a program then the FREE MARKET would have provided it.

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^^^^^ Libertarian 'moderate" ^^^^^

 

[Dad2three]

I suppose Democrats are all moderates.

Obama sure is!



Lower tax burden on the 'job creators' than Reagan's first 6 years. WAY less executive orders than Reagan

Executive Orders




Cap and Trade: This, of course, has not passed. However, this used to be a Republican idea.


FREE TRADE?


Vote Moderate Republican: Vote Obama

Vote Moderate Republican: Vote Obama

Fuck off, idiot. All of these stupid claims were debunked years ago right here on this board. Feel free to look them up and educate yourself on how stupid you are.

Got it, as usual YOU will not let facts get in your way....

 

[Kosh]

Libertarian is just a word some rightwing nuts use to describe themselves because they think it has some sort of cachet.

More proof that the racist far left Obama drones have no clue what they are talking about..

Libertarians were again the war in Iraq..

 

[Kosh]

Obama sure is!



Lower tax burden on the 'job creators' than Reagan's first 6 years. WAY less executive orders than Reagan

Executive Orders




Cap and Trade: This, of course, has not passed. However, this used to be a Republican idea.


FREE TRADE?


Vote Moderate Republican: Vote Obama

Vote Moderate Republican: Vote Obama

Fuck off, idiot. All of these stupid claims were debunked years ago right here on this board. Feel free to look them up and educate yourself on how stupid you are.

Got it, as usual YOU will not let facts get in your way....

So in other words you post bunk because your racist far left Obama drone programming tells you to!

Another far left debunked post and they want someone to prove them wrong!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Sure, and single payer H/C in EVERY industrialized nation is failing too? That's why the opponents of it can't come up with ONE poll EVER that ANY nation with UHC wants to get rid of it or get US style H/C...lol

Could that be because no one ever asks?

Sure, right wing 'think tanks' spend HUNDREDS of millions to create the MYTH OF REAGAN, but doesn't poll other nations on H/C *Shaking head*



Canadians strongly support the health system's public rather than for-profit private basis, and a 2009 poll by Nanos Research found 86.2% of Canadians surveyed supported or strongly supported "public solutions to make our public health care stronger."

A Strategic Counsel survey found 91% of Canadians prefer their healthcare system instead of a U.S. style system.

Canada overwhelmingly supports public health care | National Union of Public and General Employees


According to a Harris Poll of all industrial nations, Americans are the least satisfied with their health care.


Single Payer Health Care System


U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries - Forbes

Are you one of those idiots that think polls are proof of anything other than that people answer questions?

But thanks for answering my question, even if you had to resort to fake facts to make your point.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Obama sure is!



Lower tax burden on the 'job creators' than Reagan's first 6 years. WAY less executive orders than Reagan

Executive Orders




Cap and Trade: This, of course, has not passed. However, this used to be a Republican idea.


FREE TRADE?


Vote Moderate Republican: Vote Obama

Vote Moderate Republican: Vote Obama

Fuck off, idiot. All of these stupid claims were debunked years ago right here on this board. Feel free to look them up and educate yourself on how stupid you are.

Got it, as usual YOU will not let facts get in your way....

Do you now what the word debunked means?

 

[Bfgrn]

I see. Your food stamp allowance wasn't high enough so now you are ready for
V-I-O-L-E-N-C-E

Just remember vioelnce begets violence.

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"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."

Thomas Jefferson










What are the American ideals? They are the development of the individual for his own and the common good; the development of the individual through liberty, and the attainment of the common good through democracy and social justice.
Louis Brandeis, SCOTUS “True Americanism” (1915).

That does not mean a gargantuan welfare state ready to steal loot and plunder in order to support the ever growing hordes of parasites.

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We don't have a 'gargantuan welfare state'. America's safety net is below almost every other industrialized country in every measure. America more closely resembles the likes of Mexico than a modern First World industrialized nation.

We heard the ignorant rant of Mitt Romney and his 47%...

If there is a citizenry on this planet that does NOT have an entitlement mentality, it is the American people. American workers receive less benefits, paid leave, health care and take less vacation time than any other people. American workers take pride in the quality of their work and their work ethic.

What Romney said is a gross insult and reveals a dangerous mindset. He reeks of contempt for middle class working people and the poor.

Who are the 47%?

Federal budget and Census data show that, in 2010, 91 percent of the benefit dollars from entitlement and other mandatory programs went to the elderly (people 65 and over), the seriously disabled, and members of working households. People who are neither elderly nor disabled — and do not live in a working household — received only 9 percent of the benefits.

Moreover, the vast bulk of that 9 percent goes for medical care, unemployment insurance benefits (which individuals must have a significant work history to receive), Social Security survivor benefits for the children and spouses of deceased workers, and Social Security benefits for retirees between ages 62 and 64. Seven out of the 9 percentage points go for one of these four purposes.

80 percent of the workforce has seen their wages decline in real terms over the last quarter-century, and the average household has seen 40 percent of its wealth disappear during the Great Recession. Through it all, families never asked for a handout from anyone, especially Washington. They were left to go on their own, working harder, squeezing nickels, and taking care of themselves. But their economic boats have been taking on water for years, and now the crisis has swamped millions of middle class families. ref ref

"Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country—they are America."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower

 

[Dad2three]

Could that be because no one ever asks?

Sure, right wing 'think tanks' spend HUNDREDS of millions to create the MYTH OF REAGAN, but doesn't poll other nations on H/C *Shaking head*



Canadians strongly support the health system's public rather than for-profit private basis, and a 2009 poll by Nanos Research found 86.2% of Canadians surveyed supported or strongly supported "public solutions to make our public health care stronger."

A Strategic Counsel survey found 91% of Canadians prefer their healthcare system instead of a U.S. style system.

Canada overwhelmingly supports public health care | National Union of Public and General Employees


According to a Harris Poll of all industrial nations, Americans are the least satisfied with their health care.


Single Payer Health Care System


U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries - Forbes

Are you one of those idiots that think polls are proof of anything other than that people answer questions?

But thanks for answering my question, even if you had to resort to fake facts to make your point.

Got it, you'll continue to live in denial.... Weird how NO POLL can be produced by the right that shows ANY UHC nation wants US style H/C right? lol

 

[Dad2three]

Fuck off, idiot. All of these stupid claims were debunked years ago right here on this board. Feel free to look them up and educate yourself on how stupid you are.

Got it, as usual YOU will not let facts get in your way....

Do you now what the word debunked means?

Apparently YOU don't

 

[kaz]

The right wing arguments against the War on Poverty always boil down to: See, these programs that we have underfunded or cut back or otherwise hobbled don't work now that we have broken them. So give more money to rich people!

Left wing arguments boil down to, it doesn't matter how many trillions we spent, it's how many trillions more we didn't!

BTW, I pretty much ignore your posts where you call me a right winger. I'll respond if I feel like it, but I feel very little motivation to respond to posts that don't accurately reflect my views. Don't see the point. If you only want to argue with conservatives, you need to respond to their posts, not just say, I disagree with this, that makes you a conservative!

 

[kaz]

"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."

Thomas Jefferson

And now show how what he meant were Marxist, redistribution of wealth schemes.

Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

You like posting this. Here's the 411, Jefferson wasn't a Marxist. And this doesn't contradict anything I've ever argued.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Sure, right wing 'think tanks' spend HUNDREDS of millions to create the MYTH OF REAGAN, but doesn't poll other nations on H/C *Shaking head*



Canadians strongly support the health system's public rather than for-profit private basis, and a 2009 poll by Nanos Research found 86.2% of Canadians surveyed supported or strongly supported "public solutions to make our public health care stronger."

A Strategic Counsel survey found 91% of Canadians prefer their healthcare system instead of a U.S. style system.

Canada overwhelmingly supports public health care | National Union of Public and General Employees


According to a Harris Poll of all industrial nations, Americans are the least satisfied with their health care.


Single Payer Health Care System


U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries - Forbes

Are you one of those idiots that think polls are proof of anything other than that people answer questions?

But thanks for answering my question, even if you had to resort to fake facts to make your point.

Got it, you'll continue to live in denial.... Weird how NO POLL can be produced by the right that shows ANY UHC nation wants US style H/C right? lol

I said thanks for asking my question, idiot. In other words, I now know that someone asked. The fake facts was your claim that the US has the worst healthcare. Feel free to post all that crap you want, just don't expect me to reply to it because I already know you are dumber than rdean. At least he looks at the evidence when I post something that contradicts his belief system. Hell, I even changed his mind about something once.

 

[Contumacious]

We don't have a 'gargantuan welfare state'. r

HHS budget for 2014 is 78 BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBillion dollars. At what point does it become a gargantuan welfare state?

.

 

[sealybobo]

Libertarians want government limited to those functions which only government can do. Most of us would generally agree with police, military, civil and criminal courts, roads, management of limited resources and recognition of property rights. I am not referring to anarchists who want no government here who like calling themselves libertarians, I am referring to the masses of us who want government limited, not eliminated.

Fiscal polices. We want taxes, but we want them low, flat and for the good of the people as a whole and not used for income redistribution. The left are the extremists here not only punishing success and harming employers, but even using tax COLLECTION as a welfare program with refundable tax credits. We are moderates, taxes should be reasonable and to fund the government, not implement social policy. And spending should be within our means.

Social policies. Socons go to church (or other religious institutions) then go to government to implement morality by force. Clearly they are the extremists. Libertarians believe they should have the right to persuade people to live moral lives, they should not have the right to force their morality on them. We are, the moderates.

NeoCons. We want the military used for the defense of the United States. We don't want to be policeman to the world like the right, we also don't blame our troops for the failures of our politicians like the left. And we don't want them in everyone's back yard, like both sides do. We are moderates, protect and defend, don't use force to make other's decisions just like we don't want government making our decisions here.

Republicans and Democrats are just so deep into the question of what government can do to impose their social and fiscal wills on us, they have stopped even asking the question, should government even do that? Do we have the right to make that choice for everyone and use force to impose it on all our citizens? Libertarians are the moderates, that is the first question we ask, that is the right question to answer before proceeding any further.

Except for the few issues like pot, Libertarians are extreme republicans. The only thing they think Bush did wrong was he didn't deregulate enough. They are anarchists. They want to destroy the system then implement their Ayn Rand survival of the fittest every man for himself dog eat dog government.

 

[Contumacious]

Except for the few issues like pot, Libertarians are extreme republicans. The only thing they think Bush did wrong was he didn't deregulate enough. They are anarchists. They want to destroy the system then implement their Ayn Rand survival of the fittest every man for himself dog eat dog government.

Yo retard

what kinds of things do we want to implement which were not approved by the Founding Fathers?

 

[thanatos144]

Moderate just means Big Pussy.

 

[kaz]

Libertarians want government limited to those functions which only government can do. Most of us would generally agree with police, military, civil and criminal courts, roads, management of limited resources and recognition of property rights. I am not referring to anarchists who want no government here who like calling themselves libertarians, I am referring to the masses of us who want government limited, not eliminated.

Fiscal polices. We want taxes, but we want them low, flat and for the good of the people as a whole and not used for income redistribution. The left are the extremists here not only punishing success and harming employers, but even using tax COLLECTION as a welfare program with refundable tax credits. We are moderates, taxes should be reasonable and to fund the government, not implement social policy. And spending should be within our means.

Social policies. Socons go to church (or other religious institutions) then go to government to implement morality by force. Clearly they are the extremists. Libertarians believe they should have the right to persuade people to live moral lives, they should not have the right to force their morality on them. We are, the moderates.

NeoCons. We want the military used for the defense of the United States. We don't want to be policeman to the world like the right, we also don't blame our troops for the failures of our politicians like the left. And we don't want them in everyone's back yard, like both sides do. We are moderates, protect and defend, don't use force to make other's decisions just like we don't want government making our decisions here.

Republicans and Democrats are just so deep into the question of what government can do to impose their social and fiscal wills on us, they have stopped even asking the question, should government even do that? Do we have the right to make that choice for everyone and use force to impose it on all our citizens? Libertarians are the moderates, that is the first question we ask, that is the right question to answer before proceeding any further.

Except for the few issues like pot, Libertarians are extreme republicans. The only thing they think Bush did wrong was he didn't deregulate enough. They are anarchists. They want to destroy the system then implement their Ayn Rand survival of the fittest every man for himself dog eat dog government.

We're extreme conservatives, and we're also anarchists. You're a moron. That's just stupid, you're a TrainedSeal for the Democratic Party.

Liberals cannot grasp the concept of small government. Not non-existent, small.

 

[sealybobo]

Except for the few issues like pot, Libertarians are extreme republicans. The only thing they think Bush did wrong was he didn't deregulate enough. They are anarchists. They want to destroy the system then implement their Ayn Rand survival of the fittest every man for himself dog eat dog government.

Yo retard

what kinds of things do we want to implement which were not approved by the Founding Fathers?

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