Libertarians and the GOP

[PredFan]

I would love to vote LP in all elections but I don't believe that that is how to help the LP grow. It has to be done from the bottom up, locally before nationally. Once people see the sense and benefit that results from LP policies locally, then we can win nationally.

Meanwhile I don't like the idea of letting democrats ruin the country while the LP grows.

 

[kaz]

I believe in private charity also, but understand its limitations when applying to a society of 300 million

That is why I keep calling you a moron

Bam, now that's what I'm talking about! That you gave up on coming up with your own lines and just repeated mine back to me can in no possible way say that you give up, you have nothing.

And even that was lame. I am pointing out that you are not correctly grasping my actual views, you just keep addressing your liberal caricature of them. That is what I am calling you a moron for. In discussion after discussion, you don't even grasp what I am arguing. You're saying in your dim witted use of my own line that you're calling me a moron because your caricature of libertarian views doesn't fit your view of the world. They are at fundamentally different levels.

Stop blaming other people for your own failures in life. You didn't earn low wages and endlessly struggle because of the rich or corporations or Republicans or libertarians or anyone else. You earned low wages and endlessly struggled because of you.

I get it, I get it

I got mine....if you can't do the same it is because you are lazy or stupid

Fundamental libertarianism

All your life, you lived paycheck to paycheck. Other people didn't spend every dime they earned. They took cheaper vacations, drove a cheaper car, wore cheaper clothes and ate out less so they could be secure in their retirement.

Now government at your behest comes in and says wow, that isn't fair, they have more than you. And they take their money and give it to you to even it out. They did with less their whole lives, they didn't get what you did because they saved while you spent. In what possible way is it "fair" that now government takes their money and gives it to you?

That is why I keep calling you a moron

You keep calling me a moron because you're still an intellectual 12 year old who relives your glory days on the playground.

 

[f252863]

Libertarians and the TeaTards will ensure the Republicans don't win a national election for a generation

If so, we will continue to see the economic decline that Obama has brought us with his socialism.

 

[f252863]

Bam, now that's what I'm talking about! That you gave up on coming up with your own lines and just repeated mine back to me can in no possible way say that you give up, you have nothing.

And even that was lame. I am pointing out that you are not correctly grasping my actual views, you just keep addressing your liberal caricature of them. That is what I am calling you a moron for. In discussion after discussion, you don't even grasp what I am arguing. You're saying in your dim witted use of my own line that you're calling me a moron because your caricature of libertarian views doesn't fit your view of the world. They are at fundamentally different levels.

Stop blaming other people for your own failures in life. You didn't earn low wages and endlessly struggle because of the rich or corporations or Republicans or libertarians or anyone else. You earned low wages and endlessly struggled because of you.

I get it, I get it

I got mine....if you can't do the same it is because you are lazy or stupid

Fundamental libertarianism

All your life, you lived paycheck to paycheck. Other people didn't spend every dime they earned. They took cheaper vacations, drove a cheaper car, wore cheaper clothes and ate out less so they could be secure in their retirement.

Now government at your behest comes in and says wow, that isn't fair, they have more than you. And they take their money and give it to you to even it out. They did with less their whole lives, they didn't get what you did because they saved while you spent. In what possible way is it "fair" that now government takes their money and gives it to you?

That is why I keep calling you a moron

You keep calling me a moron because you're still an intellectual 12 year old who relives your glory days on the playground.

Socialism is a war on the productive. It is brutal and considers human life dispensable, all that matters is the outcome.

 

[rightwinger]

Bam, now that's what I'm talking about! That you gave up on coming up with your own lines and just repeated mine back to me can in no possible way say that you give up, you have nothing.

And even that was lame. I am pointing out that you are not correctly grasping my actual views, you just keep addressing your liberal caricature of them. That is what I am calling you a moron for. In discussion after discussion, you don't even grasp what I am arguing. You're saying in your dim witted use of my own line that you're calling me a moron because your caricature of libertarian views doesn't fit your view of the world. They are at fundamentally different levels.

Stop blaming other people for your own failures in life. You didn't earn low wages and endlessly struggle because of the rich or corporations or Republicans or libertarians or anyone else. You earned low wages and endlessly struggled because of you.

I get it, I get it

I got mine....if you can't do the same it is because you are lazy or stupid

Fundamental libertarianism

All your life, you lived paycheck to paycheck. Other people didn't spend every dime they earned. They took cheaper vacations, drove a cheaper car, wore cheaper clothes and ate out less so they could be secure in their retirement.

Now government at your behest comes in and says wow, that isn't fair, they have more than you. And they take their money and give it to you to even it out. They did with less their whole lives, they didn't get what you did because they saved while you spent. In what possible way is it "fair" that now government takes their money and gives it to you?

That is why I keep calling you a moron

You keep calling me a moron because you're still an intellectual 12 year old who relives your glory days on the playground.

Typical libertarian fantasy

Everyone has the same opportunity in life

Everyone has parents who can help get them into college
Everyone has an uncle who helps them get that first job
Everyone lives in a community where great paying jobs are abundant

And if the government tries to help those who do not....Libertarians are outraged

That is why I keep calling you a moron

 

[rightwinger]

Libertarians and the TeaTards will ensure the Republicans don't win a national election for a generation

If so, we will continue to see the economic decline that Obama has brought us with his socialism.

If you actually bother to look at the economic numbers, we have had a major economic reversal under Obama

- Stock Market has doubled
- Housing Market has recovered
- Net increase of 1 million jobs a month

 

[Seawytch]

Know what I love about the Libertarians...they are always the first to call when government services are not as prompt as they think they should be. Thanks to Austerity, we get a little behind in the "off season" and that's when the phone calls start. "How come I've not gotten any notice in the mail of my registration?" or "I signed up to Vote by Mail a month ago, why haven't I heard anything?" and I always get a good giggle when I look them up and they're Libertarians.

The Libertarians and the Greens are the only parties that take the free election data too.

Love those Libertarians!

 

[editec]

What and who are the Libertarians?

As we can plainly see by reading the thoughts of many here who claim that mantle, LIBERTARIAN means different things to different people.

As since there is NO dominating LIBERTARIAN PARTY that can define the term to everyone's satisfaction, the term basically means NOTHING.

Like most of the words you folks use to define yourselves, the word "libertarian" means only what YOU think it means.

I (or anyone else) could easily dismiss most of you as not libertarians and define myself as the quintessential libertarian and NOBODY could prove me wrong.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Libertarians and the TeaTards will ensure the Republicans don't win a national election for a generation

If so, we will continue to see the economic decline that Obama has brought us with his socialism.

You have no idea what is socialism.

The economic decline was caused by the GOP majority and complacent presidents and Dems.

Unemployment has fallen by more than 30% from the highest numbers.

What we need is this: the Dems and the Pubs to work together on a jobs bill. Not ultrasound wands.

 

[JakeStarkey]

the philosophy of libertarianism is as flawed as is that of communism.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

What and who are the Libertarians?

As we can plainly see by reading the thoughts of many here who claim that mantle, LIBERTARIAN means different things to different people.

As since there is NO dominating LIBERTARIAN PARTY that can define the term to everyone's satisfaction, the term basically means NOTHING.

Like most of the words you folks use to define yourselves, the word "libertarian" means only what YOU think it means.

I (or anyone else) could easily dismiss most of you as not libertarians and define myself as the quintessential libertarian and NOBODY could prove me wrong.

Which could be done with any label at all.

 

[kaz]

I get it, I get it

I got mine....if you can't do the same it is because you are lazy or stupid

Fundamental libertarianism

All your life, you lived paycheck to paycheck. Other people didn't spend every dime they earned. They took cheaper vacations, drove a cheaper car, wore cheaper clothes and ate out less so they could be secure in their retirement.

Now government at your behest comes in and says wow, that isn't fair, they have more than you. And they take their money and give it to you to even it out. They did with less their whole lives, they didn't get what you did because they saved while you spent. In what possible way is it "fair" that now government takes their money and gives it to you?

That is why I keep calling you a moron

You keep calling me a moron because you're still an intellectual 12 year old who relives your glory days on the playground.

Typical libertarian fantasy

Everyone has the same opportunity in life

Everyone has parents who can help get them into college
Everyone has an uncle who helps them get that first job
Everyone lives in a community where great paying jobs are abundant

And if the government tries to help those who do not....Libertarians are outraged

That is why I keep calling you a moron

My God, what a whiner. Grow up and grow a pair. That other people had more than you is no excuse. You had every opportunity in this country to make something of yourself. You chose a hack job and a hack life living paycheck to paycheck, then had nothing when you retired so government had to take money from other people so you didn't starve. That's on you, Poindexter.

 

[rightwinger]

All your life, you lived paycheck to paycheck. Other people didn't spend every dime they earned. They took cheaper vacations, drove a cheaper car, wore cheaper clothes and ate out less so they could be secure in their retirement.

Now government at your behest comes in and says wow, that isn't fair, they have more than you. And they take their money and give it to you to even it out. They did with less their whole lives, they didn't get what you did because they saved while you spent. In what possible way is it "fair" that now government takes their money and gives it to you?



You keep calling me a moron because you're still an intellectual 12 year old who relives your glory days on the playground.

Typical libertarian fantasy

Everyone has the same opportunity in life

Everyone has parents who can help get them into college
Everyone has an uncle who helps them get that first job
Everyone lives in a community where great paying jobs are abundant

And if the government tries to help those who do not....Libertarians are outraged

That is why I keep calling you a moron

My God, what a whiner. Grow up and grow a pair. That other people had more than you is no excuse. You had every opportunity in this country to make something of yourself. You chose a hack job and a hack life living paycheck to paycheck, then had nothing when you retired so government had to take money from other people so you didn't starve. That's on you, Poindexter.

Gotta love Libertarians...they have such a simplistic view of life

People struggle because they spend too much on vacations, cars and expensive restaurants
It is the libertarians who succeed only because they count their pennies

Meanwhile, the evil Gubmint seeks to steal their hard earned money and hand it to the spendthifts

That is why I keep calling you a moron

 

[kaz]

the philosophy of libertarianism is as flawed as is that of communism.

People ... are too stupid to take care of themselves and make their own decisions and they are too selfish and greedy to help anyone of their own free choice. But if you take those choices away from them and put them in the hands of government, which is comprised of ... people ... then they will make sure it's done effectively. And looking at government, that's obviously happening, removal of choice and ubiquitous government power is working so well.



Gotcha...

 

[kaz]

Typical libertarian fantasy

Everyone has the same opportunity in life

Everyone has parents who can help get them into college
Everyone has an uncle who helps them get that first job
Everyone lives in a community where great paying jobs are abundant

And if the government tries to help those who do not....Libertarians are outraged

That is why I keep calling you a moron

My God, what a whiner. Grow up and grow a pair. That other people had more than you is no excuse. You had every opportunity in this country to make something of yourself. You chose a hack job and a hack life living paycheck to paycheck, then had nothing when you retired so government had to take money from other people so you didn't starve. That's on you, Poindexter.

Gotta love Libertarians...they have such a simplistic view of life

People struggle because they spend too much on vacations, cars and expensive restaurants
It is the libertarians who succeed only because they count their pennies

Meanwhile, the evil Gubmint seeks to steal their hard earned money and hand it to the spendthifts

That is why I keep calling you a moron

Actually the main reason you struggle is because you didn't work hard enough and you didn't invest enough in your education and skills. Then you didn't live under your means so you had money to save.

The irony that you call my view "simplistic" and yet you still only grasped a piece of it. So even according to you, simplistic is over your head.

And wow, with the moron comment. You sent more than one kid home crying from the playground, didn't you?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The next national election is eons away in political time. Much like picking the winner of the 2014 Super Bowl and not knowing what injury(s) each team might encounter - predicting how a future election will go is nearly impossible.

True.

But one fact is known, if the GOP runs TPM candidates again, it will cost them the Senate in 2014, just as it did in 2010 and 2012.

 

[kaz]

Everyone has parents who can help get them into college
Everyone has an uncle who helps them get that first job
Everyone lives in a community where great paying jobs are abundant

I just re-read this part. What a pack of pathetic excuses for being a failure in life. Seriously, you think that getting good jobs should have been easy? That you only get one if they are abundant or you get one from your uncle? That's how you copped out and alibied being a loser who doesn't try?

I paid my own way through college and two masters degrees, but then I'm not a whining loser looking for excuses for being a failure in life like you are. These may be the lamest excuses for sucking at life in the greatest economic power in the history of mankind that I've ever read. And superlatives are not my thing.

But I get it. You will not and can not take care of yourself. You don't have skill, intelligence or a sense of personal responsibility. There are people we just have to take care of so they don't starve. You are now recognized as such.

 

[Dot Com]

An interesting article from the Brookings Institute that includes this:

First, according to the PRRI poll, libertarians represent only 12% of the Republican Party. This number is consistent with the findings of other studies by the Pew Research Center and the American National Election Study. This libertarian constituency is dwarfed by other key Republican groups, including white evangelicals (37%) and those who identify with the Tea Party (20%).

Is the GOP going to be so split that they will cede elections to Dems?

Read the article @ The Libertarian Challenge within the GOP | Brookings Institution

IF they had shame they would immediately seperate from Boehner's House. You see the new book written by a Repub documenting Boehner's wining & dining while tabling the people's business? http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...ewers-establ-repubs-especially-boehner-r.html

 

[rightwinger]

Everyone has parents who can help get them into college
Everyone has an uncle who helps them get that first job
Everyone lives in a community where great paying jobs are abundant

I just re-read this part. What a pack of pathetic excuses for being a failure in life. Seriously, you think that getting good jobs should have been easy? That you only get one if they are abundant or you get one from your uncle? That's how you copped out and alibied being a loser who doesn't try?

I paid my own way through college and two masters degrees, but then I'm not a whining loser looking for excuses for being a failure in life like you are. These may be the lamest excuses for sucking at life in the greatest economic power in the history of mankind that I've ever read. And superlatives are not my thing.

But I get it. You will not and can not take care of yourself. You don't have skill, intelligence or a sense of personal responsibility. There are people we just have to take care of so they don't starve. You are now recognized as such.

Spoken like a true Libertarian

As with most things, they have this vision of....I did it all on my own
Your parents did not help you, your community did not help you and god forbid....The Gubmint did not help you

That is why I keep calling you a moron

 

[JakeStarkey]

Is kaz being deliberately obtuse?

Libertarianism is an amorphous concept that is defined in many different ways.

It won't work, and we in the mainstream GOP are in no danger of a libert take over.