Liberals... who supports post birth abortions as promoted in the linked paper?

[Slade3200]

P@triot brought up a paper written in 2012 about post birth abortions and is under the impression that mainstream liberals and leftists support these ideas. I thought I’d put it to the test. So I’m asking all liberals to state whether or not they support the ideas in the linked article. If you support the idea of post birth abortions please say why.

After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?

 

[Stormy Daniels]

"If we wanted to suggest something about policy, we would have written, for example, a comment related the Groningen Protocol (in the Netherlands), which is a guideline that permits killing newborns under certain circumstances (e.g. when the newborn is affected by serious diseases). But we do not discuss guidelines in the paper. Rather we acknowledged the fact that such a protocol exists and this is a good reason to discuss the topic (and probably also for publishing papers on this topic).

However, the content of (the abstract of) the paper started to be picked up by newspapers, radio and on the web. What people understood was that we were in favour of killing people. This, of course, is not what we suggested. This is easier to see when our thesis is read in the context of the history of the debate."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/after-birth-abortion/

 

[BULLDOG]

P@triot brought up a paper written in 2012 about post birth abortions and is under the impression that mainstream liberals and leftists support these ideas. I thought I’d put it to the test. So I’m asking all liberals to state whether or not they support the ideas in the linked article. If you support the idea of post birth abortions please say why.

After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?

Almost everything Patriot posts is either a gross misrepresentation, or an out right lie. The post you mention is just another example of that. Why are all RWNJ posts and threads based on lies?

 

[Moonglow]

Patirot never did learn to read..

Conclusions
If criteria such as the costs (social, psychological, economic) for the potential parents are good enough reasons for having an abortion even when the fetus is healthy, if the moral status of the newborn is the same as that of the foetus and if neither has any moral value by virtue of being a potential person, then the same reasons which justify abortion should also justify the killing of the potential person when it is at the stage of a newborn.

Two considerations need to be added.

First, we do not put forward any claim about the moment at which after-birth abortion would no longer be permissible, and we do not think that in fact more than a few days would be necessary for doctors to detect any abnormality in the child. In cases where the after-birth abortion were requested for non-medical reasons, we do not suggest any threshold, as it depends on the neurological development of newborns, which is something neurologists and psychologists would be able to assess.

Second, we do not claim that after-birth abortions are good alternatives to abortion. Abortions at an early stage are the best option, for both psychological and physical reasons. However, if a disease has not been detected during the pregnancy, if something went wrong during the delivery, or if economical, social or psychological circumstances change such that taking care of the offspring becomes an unbearable burden on someone, then people should be given the chance of not being forced to do something they cannot afford.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

The definition of abortion is terminating a pregnancy. If the child has been born then the mother is no longer pregnant, and if you kill the baby, well that is murder. The phrase post birth abortion is in fact an oxymoron.

 

[Moonglow]

P@triot brought up a paper written in 2012 about post birth abortions and is under the impression that mainstream liberals and leftists support these ideas. I thought I’d put it to the test. So I’m asking all liberals to state whether or not they support the ideas in the linked article. If you support the idea of post birth abortions please say why.

After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?

Almost everything Patriot posts is either a gross misrepresentation, or an out right lie. The post you mention is just another example of that. Why are all RWNJ posts and threads based on lies?

His emotions rule over his psyche and don't allow for rational representation. As far as claiming only liberals have abortions or support abortions there is zero data kept on political alignments of those that have abortions, those demographics are not taken or desired.

 

[Moonglow]

The definition of abortion is terminating a pregnancy. If the child has been born then the mother is no longer pregnant, and if you kill the baby, well that is murder. The phrase post birth abortion is in fact an oxymoron.

They explained all dat in the thesis.

 

[Slade3200]

The definition of abortion is terminating a pregnancy. If the child has been born then the mother is no longer pregnant, and if you kill the baby, well that is murder. The phrase post birth abortion is in fact an oxymoron.

It’s all explained in the paper as to what they are referring to

 

[BuckToothMoron]

The definition of abortion is terminating a pregnancy. If the child has been born then the mother is no longer pregnant, and if you kill the baby, well that is murder. The phrase post birth abortion is in fact an oxymoron.

It’s all explained in the paper as to what they are referring to

I read it, and I recognized what it is. It is a (lame) attempt at justification. They think by referring to killing a baby born with a birth defect as a post birth abortion it sounds less like murder. And it does, but it’s still murder. I’m not necessarily making a judgement against the notion, but I am at least acknowledging that it is propaganda speech. It’s designed to allow people to consider the justification for killing a new born baby. Be brave boys and girls, and accept what it is, then you can debate whether it should be done.

 

[frigidweirdo]

P@triot brought up a paper written in 2012 about post birth abortions and is under the impression that mainstream liberals and leftists support these ideas. I thought I’d put it to the test. So I’m asking all liberals to state whether or not they support the ideas in the linked article. If you support the idea of post birth abortions please say why.

After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?

Post birth isn't an abortion. Unless you're Mrs Cartman.

But then it's the right who are fond of "post birth abortions", they're called executions.

 

[Slade3200]

The definition of abortion is terminating a pregnancy. If the child has been born then the mother is no longer pregnant, and if you kill the baby, well that is murder. The phrase post birth abortion is in fact an oxymoron.

It’s all explained in the paper as to what they are referring to

I read it, and I recognized what it is. It is a (lame) attempt at justification. They think by referring to killing a baby born with a birth defect as a post birth abortion it sounds less like murder. And it does, but it’s still murder. I’m not necessarily making a judgement against the notion, but I am at least acknowledging that it is propaganda speech. It’s designed to allow people to consider the justification for killing a new born baby. Be brave boys and girls, and accept what it is, then you can debate whether it should be done.

I agree, it’s absolutely murder and one way they are trying to justify it is by equivocating with abortions

 

[Norman]

I don't support them...

Scrap that, yes I support this proposal.

 

[Slade3200]

Any Liberals support this idea of post birth abortions?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

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What liberals don't understand about "MAGA"

i. Stormy Daniels i Original Post: "MAGA" technically means "make America great again." Liberals have never really understood what "MAGA" really represents to people, why it appeals to so many, and as a result they've never been able to counteract its effect. strmydnls 241026 Swldua00001

ii. Stormy Daniels i Original Post: Overturning Roe is not conservative. Strmydnls 220507 Spaiat00001

iii. Stormy Daniels x. offers a thought: Evangelicals would never have supported a candidate with an illegitimate child that was sired while his wife was in the hospital with his other child. strmydnls 180323 Stsfpp00010

iv. Taz xli asks Saint Ding a ?????: So how are you going to force women to have babies against their will? tvzyz 301030 Vwwrbg00041

v. ding xvii reply to 41: “You mean how am I going to force women to suffer the consequences of their actions?” dvng 201030 Swwrbg00042

vi. NotfooledbyW cdlxxxii reply to 42: After reading paragraph i. I understand that Saint_Ding is in his own “church” (a sect of one) on a mission to seek truth. God is truth. God is love. God is logic. And God is an Him. And all who worship him do so in spirit and truth.

After reading paragraph ii. I understand that Saint_Ding is an angelic citizen in the Biblical Kingdom of Heaven experiencing the Father, Son and Holy Ghost... as we speak.

We know from reading paragraphs iii. & iv. Let the Holy Ghost has told Saint Ding to tear down the wall of separation of church state for the purpose of causing pregnant women to suffer. It’s in Saint Dang words.

Saint_Ding says he is going to force women to suffer the consequences of their actions. And we know he needs the government to force for that suffering on women.. nfbw 240814 Vsocas00482

vii. NotfooledbyW xiv reply to 1: Think about it Saint Stormydaniels; The Jeffersonian/Madisonian highest constitutional protection to the law abiding individual (Separation of Church and State) is evil marxist atheist wokeness on MAGA’s collective mind.

And you are waxing softly on behalf of the gentle breeze of “nostalgia” blowing over the dear white wannabe dominant American dittohead males like Saint Ding in paragraph v. who knows what’s good for liberal women and state governments should be allowed to control them. You blame liberals for Dumb Don?

I have to call BS on that. I blame the evangelicals and nearly half of Catholics who are nostalgic for unification of Church and State for putting Don Trump in our face these long term years of white male “nostalgia” for the original founding myth raising Christianity.

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[Stormy Daniels]

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What liberals don't understand about "MAGA"

i. Stormy Daniels i Original Post: "MAGA" technically means "make America great again." Liberals have never really understood what "MAGA" really represents to people, why it appeals to so many, and as a result they've never been able to counteract its effect. strmydnls 241026 Swldua00001

ii. Stormy Daniels i Original Post: Overturning Roe is not conservative. Strmydnls 220507 Spaiat00001

iii. Stormy Daniels x. offers a thought: Evangelicals would never have supported a candidate with an illegitimate child that was sired while his wife was in the hospital with his other child. strmydnls 180323 Stsfpp00010

iv. Taz xli asks Saint Ding a ?????: So how are you going to force women to have babies against their will? tvzyz 301030 Vwwrbg00041

v. ding xvii reply to 41: “You mean how am I going to force women to suffer the consequences of their actions?” dvng 201030 Swwrbg00042

vi. NotfooledbyW cdlxxxii reply to 42: After reading paragraph i. I understand that Saint_Ding is in his own “church” (a sect of one) on a mission to seek truth. God is truth. God is love. God is logic. And God is an Him. And all who worship him do so in spirit and truth.

After reading paragraph ii. I understand that Saint_Ding is an angelic citizen in the Biblical Kingdom of Heaven experiencing the Father, Son and Holy Ghost... as we speak.

We know from reading paragraphs iii. & iv. Let the Holy Ghost has told Saint Ding to tear down the wall of separation of church state for the purpose of causing pregnant women to suffer. It’s in Saint Dang words.

Saint_Ding says he is going to force women to suffer the consequences of their actions. And we know he needs the government to force for that suffering on women.. nfbw 240814 Vsocas00482

vii. NotfooledbyW xiv reply to 1: Think about it Saint Stormydaniels; The Jeffersonian/Madisonian highest constitutional protection to the law abiding individual (Separation of Church and State) is evil marxist atheist wokeness on MAGA’s collective mind.

And you are waxing softly on behalf of the gentle breeze of “nostalgia” blowing over the dear white wannabe dominant American dittohead males like Saint Ding in paragraph v. who knows what’s good for liberal women and state governments should be allowed to control them. You blame liberals for Dumb Don?

I have to call BS on that. I blame the evangelicals and nearly half of Catholics who are nostalgic for unification of Church and State for putting Don Trump in our face these long term years of white male “nostalgia” for the original founding myth raising Christianity.

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Someone call 911, this person is having a stroke.

 

[Billo_Really]

P@triot brought up a paper written in 2012 about post birth abortions and is under the impression that mainstream liberals and leftists support these ideas. I thought I’d put it to the test. So I’m asking all liberals to state whether or not they support the ideas in the linked article. If you support the idea of post birth abortions please say why.

After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?

**** you! I didn't vote in your dumbass bullshit thread! There is no such thing as a "post birth abortion". That is ******* murder and no liberals support that!

**** you asshole for spewing this bullshit lie! Are you a Russian bot?

 

[Slade3200]

**** you! I didn't vote in your dumbass bullshit thread! There is no such thing as a "post birth abortion". That is ******* murder and no liberals support that!

**** you asshole for spewing this bullshit lie! Are you a Russian bot?

The point of the thread and poll was to show that there is not such thing as liberals supporting post birth abortions. Thats one went right over your head. How about you turn the temperature down a notch. A little more brain power a little less emo reactions

 

[Billo_Really]

The point of the thread and poll was to show that there is not such thing as liberals supporting post birth abortions. Thats one went right over your head. How about you turn the temperature down a notch. A little more brain power a little less emo reactions

Sorry, my bad!