Liberals turned into the authoritarians they are supposed to hate

[Juicin]

Unless you're criminalizing speech, it's just cultural taboos

That's not something liberals control. Certainly not something any liberal in the halls of American power controls

No, liberals have nothing to do with it.

Wow.
.

What liberal could you possibly point to? Individuals don't control societal change

You won't find many neo conservatives who break social taboos on words either. It's much broader than liberals.

"what society thinks is taboo has changed boo hooo" lol

Unless you're a Muslim this isn't a problem for you as an American.

I provided a nice, long list of honest liberals who go into quite a bit of detail on this.

You don't want to hear it, you'll deny every example, that's fine. I know how this game is played.
.

They don't have any social science or anything else that backs them up

They bitch about it on campuses and point to specific policies. Which again is a legitimate debate. But the debate is about where to draw the line, not whether or not it's ok to curtail speech on a campus or public elementary school. We've always curtailed speech on campus, this isn't anything liberals came up with.

As to society in general and what's acceptable, again liberal thinkers in Ivy League schools do not control that. Maybe you could blame the media, but you'd be hard pressed to back that up with any evidence. And no one in main stream media is left wing. They're capitalists...They work for multi national corporations.

I'll agree with the honest liberals.

And their many examples.
.

I've asked for evidence, you just gave me a bunch of non sequitur articles

Spamming off topic links isn't a way to change anything

Freedom of speech is about the state keeping their hands off you for their words. Not campus administrators telling kids to shut the fuck up

 

[Mac1958]

Another rightwing nitwit who has it wrong.

Defending the civil rights of Americans from intolerant conservatives is not the be ‘intolerant’; denouncing the bigotry and hate propagated by many on the right is not to be ‘intolerant.’

And again, your concern for racists and bigots is heartwarming.

The PC Police wub me!


.

Always amazes me how poorly thought out most conservative talking points are.

You hear a few articulate ones talk about speech on campus, then extrapolate that to blaming highly educated liberals hidden away in offices for changing American preferences on speech beyond recognition.

It's never occurred to you that the change came from outside the campus?

I do hope you're not calling me a conservative.

That said, the honest liberals and I see what's going on and comment on it.

If you want to pretend that the Regressive Left has nothing to do with what's happening on college campuses, by all means, run with that.
.

 

[sealybobo]

amazing what kind of trash you get from rev moon's rag.

Are these nuts still talking about lower taxes for the rich and more deregulations? They must want another 2007 crash

 

[Mac1958]

No, liberals have nothing to do with it.

Wow.
.

What liberal could you possibly point to? Individuals don't control societal change

You won't find many neo conservatives who break social taboos on words either. It's much broader than liberals.

"what society thinks is taboo has changed boo hooo" lol

Unless you're a Muslim this isn't a problem for you as an American.

I provided a nice, long list of honest liberals who go into quite a bit of detail on this.

You don't want to hear it, you'll deny every example, that's fine. I know how this game is played.
.

They don't have any social science or anything else that backs them up

They bitch about it on campuses and point to specific policies. Which again is a legitimate debate. But the debate is about where to draw the line, not whether or not it's ok to curtail speech on a campus or public elementary school. We've always curtailed speech on campus, this isn't anything liberals came up with.

As to society in general and what's acceptable, again liberal thinkers in Ivy League schools do not control that. Maybe you could blame the media, but you'd be hard pressed to back that up with any evidence. And no one in main stream media is left wing. They're capitalists...They work for multi national corporations.

I'll agree with the honest liberals.

And their many examples.
.

I've asked for evidence, you just gave me a bunch of non sequitur articles

Spamming off topic links isn't a way to change anything

Freedom of speech is about the state keeping their hands off you for their words. Not campus administrators telling kids to shut the fuck up

I'm not talking about the First Amendment.

I'm talking about the behaviors of the Regressive Left, as are the honest liberals to whom I linked.
.

 

[westwall]

Liberals have gotten so bad about trying to squelch free speech. Colleges refuse to allow any speakers who aren't avid liberals. Protesters aren't content to merely carry signs around Republican rallies, they insist on blocking highways and trying to shut the whole rally down. The IRS went after conservatives. The media can no longer be relied on to report facts and instead have become mouth pieces for liberal administrations.

Liberals used to defend and seek to protect whistle blowers and protesters against the government. When a liberal is in office, suddenly those things are treated like crimes. Any criticism over Obama's liberal views are called racist. The left uses words, such as 'racist', 'greedy', 'denier', or 'birther' in order to ridicule and shut down free speech rather than debate. They must fear losing in an honest debate and that is why they will do anything to prevent it. They prefer talking points and name calling instead of explaining themselves. If you ask Al Gore to back up any of his claims, all you get is "There is no debate." What they say goes. Period. Even scientists who once supported the global warming crowd find themselves in hot water when they point out faulty data. I guess the left is serious about this no debate thing.

Over-regulation has resulted in so many bullshit laws that virtually anyone is likely to be in violation of something. This is an age-old tactic of dictators. They like having the ability to arrest any person who gets in their way and having a pile of laws in their arsenal makes this easy. If nothing else, the government can kill you without any arrests, charges or convictions. If any of the administration's enemies suddenly disappear, this may explain it.

For most, they just take all the person's money and ruin them that way. The over-used civil forfeiture says that if you have cash it must mean you did something illegal. They simply take all your money and call it good with no arrest and no charges. The cop is judge and jury on the spot. After your money is taken, you are free to go. But, be warned, there are thousands of other reasons they could hurt you. This is the new America.

Liberals today seem to be against people being wealthy, owning property, free speech, having any pride in our country, secure borders, national security, real education, immigrant assimilation, laws protecting the sanctity of our voting system, morals, and liberty to live the way you want or question government when you feel it necessary. The new government is not by the people, for the people. It's against the people. The 'we' versus 'them' has never been more true and it's liberals leading the way for an authoritarian government. The government has become something to fear and that is what tyranny is all about. No politician fears the public. They mock us. They know they have given themselves unlimited power over us and that gives them confidence to do as they please without fear of retribution. Just look at Hillary.

"You don’t have to go back to the days of the Enlightenment, John Locke and the French Revolution (as Mr. Holmes, a former U.S. assistant secretary of state, does in his commendably thorough book) to see this trend at work. Consider the following quote from a famous politician. See if you can guess who said it and when:

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We should stand up and say, ‘We are Americans, and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration’."

John McCain talking about President Obama? Nope. That’s Hillary Clinton. She said it in 2003, in reference to the George W. Bush administration.

But as they say, that was then, and this is now. Apparently it’s patriotic to express your opposition to President Bush, but if you utter a word against President Obama, you’re a lying, racist bigot. And if you deny it? Well, that’s just what we would expect a bigot like you to say.

And so most of today’s liberals (or "postmodern leftists," to use Mr. Holmes’ preferred term) are not championing the right to offer opposing views, as their intellectual forebears would have done. They’re suppressing them.

This campaign to stamp out dissent takes many forms. We see it in Internal Revenue Service witch hunts against conservative groups. On college campuses with administrators meekly bowing to angry demands that politically incorrect speakers be banned. In the push from state attorneys general to investigate groups that question climate change.

Ask Lennart Bengtsson. In 2014, this well-respected Swedish meteorologist working in the United Kingdom joined a group called the Global Warming Policy Foundation, which questions some of the climate change community’s findings. Mr. Bengtsson did so simply because he was concerned that some of the computer-model predictions didn’t match up with actual scientific observations over time.

Big mistake. "Within a matter of days, he found himself in deep trouble," Mr. Holmes writes. "As happened to other scientists who question any aspect of the global-warming ‘consensus,’ Bengtsson was hounded by colleagues to the point that he felt forced to resign from the think tank."

Mr. Bengtsson cited concerns for his "health and safety," saying the pressure made "normal work" virtually impossible, and warned: "It is a situation that reminds me about the time of McCarthy."

That’s how far today’s "liberals" have fallen. They’ve become the very thing they once denounced.

And so we wind up in a culture that punishes young children severely for first-time, minor infractions under "zero tolerance" policies. One with so many thousands of federal laws that we prosecute adults for committing crimes that they didn’t even know were crimes."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/9/ed-feulner-leftists-liberal-in-name-only/

Not liberals....PROGRESSIVES. Huuuge difference.

 

[sealybobo]

No, liberals have nothing to do with it.

Wow.
.

What liberal could you possibly point to? Individuals don't control societal change

You won't find many neo conservatives who break social taboos on words either. It's much broader than liberals.

"what society thinks is taboo has changed boo hooo" lol

Unless you're a Muslim this isn't a problem for you as an American.

I provided a nice, long list of honest liberals who go into quite a bit of detail on this.

You don't want to hear it, you'll deny every example, that's fine. I know how this game is played.
.

They don't have any social science or anything else that backs them up

They bitch about it on campuses and point to specific policies. Which again is a legitimate debate. But the debate is about where to draw the line, not whether or not it's ok to curtail speech on a campus or public elementary school. We've always curtailed speech on campus, this isn't anything liberals came up with.

As to society in general and what's acceptable, again liberal thinkers in Ivy League schools do not control that. Maybe you could blame the media, but you'd be hard pressed to back that up with any evidence. And no one in main stream media is left wing. They're capitalists...They work for multi national corporations.

I'll agree with the honest liberals.

And their many examples.
.

I've asked for evidence, you just gave me a bunch of non sequitur articles

Spamming off topic links isn't a way to change anything

Freedom of speech is about the state keeping their hands off you for their words. Not campus administrators telling kids to shut the fuck up

Didn't GOP gov Scott Walker ban protesters?

 

[Unkotare]

amazing what kind of trash you get from rev moon's rag.

Are these nuts still talking about lower taxes for the rich and more deregulations? They must want another 2007 crash

No problem, Barney Fwank is retired.

 

[Juicin]

Another rightwing nitwit who has it wrong.

Defending the civil rights of Americans from intolerant conservatives is not the be ‘intolerant’; denouncing the bigotry and hate propagated by many on the right is not to be ‘intolerant.’

And again, your concern for racists and bigots is heartwarming.

The PC Police wub me!


.

Always amazes me how poorly thought out most conservative talking points are.

You hear a few articulate ones talk about speech on campus, then extrapolate that to blaming highly educated liberals hidden away in offices for changing American preferences on speech beyond recognition.

It's never occurred to you that the change came from outside the campus?

I do hope you're not calling me a conservative.

That said, the honest liberals and I see what's going on and comment on it.

If you want to pretend that the Regressive Left has nothing to do with what's happening on college campuses, by all means, run with that.
.

Again you'd have to support policies curtailing freedom of speech to be "regressive" on freedom of speech

And again campuses have never had freedom of speech. So they're not "regressive" they're for the status quo. You're advocating a "progressive" position that would throw out any limits on speech on campus. You being very progressive on this issue (which I don't think you are really but we'll pretend) doesn't make the other side regressive. Just conservative

Being "regressive" on freedom of speech would put you under strict scrutiny of the first amendment, and thus not last even if it was implemented. Which again no liberal supports.

You're very bad at this. I don't give a shit about your political leanings, we're discussing your position. You're really stupid

 

[Mac1958]

Another rightwing nitwit who has it wrong.

Defending the civil rights of Americans from intolerant conservatives is not the be ‘intolerant’; denouncing the bigotry and hate propagated by many on the right is not to be ‘intolerant.’

And again, your concern for racists and bigots is heartwarming.

The PC Police wub me!


.

Always amazes me how poorly thought out most conservative talking points are.

You hear a few articulate ones talk about speech on campus, then extrapolate that to blaming highly educated liberals hidden away in offices for changing American preferences on speech beyond recognition.

It's never occurred to you that the change came from outside the campus?

I do hope you're not calling me a conservative.

That said, the honest liberals and I see what's going on and comment on it.

If you want to pretend that the Regressive Left has nothing to do with what's happening on college campuses, by all means, run with that.
.

Again you'd have to support policies curtailing freedom of speech to be "regressive" on freedom of speech

And again campuses have never had freedom of speech. So they're not "regressive" they're for the status quo. You're advocating a liberal position

Being "regressive" on freedom of speech would put you under strict scrutiny of the first amendment, and thus not last even if it was implemented. Which again no liberal supports.

You're very bad at this. I don't give a shit about your political leanings, we're discussing your position. You're really stupid

And to the personal insults we go. Done!

Sometimes this place is too easy.

I'll agree with the honest liberals to whom I linked.
.

 

[Juicin]

Another rightwing nitwit who has it wrong.

Defending the civil rights of Americans from intolerant conservatives is not the be ‘intolerant’; denouncing the bigotry and hate propagated by many on the right is not to be ‘intolerant.’

And again, your concern for racists and bigots is heartwarming.

The PC Police wub me!


.

Always amazes me how poorly thought out most conservative talking points are.

You hear a few articulate ones talk about speech on campus, then extrapolate that to blaming highly educated liberals hidden away in offices for changing American preferences on speech beyond recognition.

It's never occurred to you that the change came from outside the campus?

I do hope you're not calling me a conservative.

That said, the honest liberals and I see what's going on and comment on it.

If you want to pretend that the Regressive Left has nothing to do with what's happening on college campuses, by all means, run with that.
.

Again you'd have to support policies curtailing freedom of speech to be "regressive" on freedom of speech

And again campuses have never had freedom of speech. So they're not "regressive" they're for the status quo. You're advocating a liberal position

Being "regressive" on freedom of speech would put you under strict scrutiny of the first amendment, and thus not last even if it was implemented. Which again no liberal supports.

You're very bad at this. I don't give a shit about your political leanings, we're discussing your position. You're really stupid

And to the personal insults we go. Done!

Sometimes this place is too easy.

I'll agree with the honest liberals to whom I linked.
.

So you don't understand the distinction between the campus and state?

The first amendment protects no one on campus from administrative action, lol

Is it that difficult for you to wrap your head around?

Have any thoughts of your own pinky? Hahaha

 

[Mac1958]

The PC Police wub me!


.

Always amazes me how poorly thought out most conservative talking points are.

You hear a few articulate ones talk about speech on campus, then extrapolate that to blaming highly educated liberals hidden away in offices for changing American preferences on speech beyond recognition.

It's never occurred to you that the change came from outside the campus?

I do hope you're not calling me a conservative.

That said, the honest liberals and I see what's going on and comment on it.

If you want to pretend that the Regressive Left has nothing to do with what's happening on college campuses, by all means, run with that.
.

Again you'd have to support policies curtailing freedom of speech to be "regressive" on freedom of speech

And again campuses have never had freedom of speech. So they're not "regressive" they're for the status quo. You're advocating a liberal position

Being "regressive" on freedom of speech would put you under strict scrutiny of the first amendment, and thus not last even if it was implemented. Which again no liberal supports.

You're very bad at this. I don't give a shit about your political leanings, we're discussing your position. You're really stupid

And to the personal insults we go. Done!

Sometimes this place is too easy.

I'll agree with the honest liberals to whom I linked.
.

So you don't understand the distinction between the campus and state?

The first amendment protects no one on campus from administrative action, lol

Is it that difficult for you to wrap your head around?

Have any thoughts of your own pinky? Hahaha

The First Amendment again? I told you this isn't about that.

I'll agree with the honest liberals to whom I linked.

You really are trying hard. An "A" for effort for you!
.

 

[Clementine]

That's a nice non sequitur

You want to show me where American liberals have tried to criminalise speech?

Shutting it down on campus again is as old as time. And was done by racist and bigoted Christians long before anyone we'd consider a progressive had a voice in America.

We used to have white supremacists debate in the halls of power in this country. Standards change, doesn't mean that these new rules are more or less legitimate than the ones banning racists. But it's intellectually no different without some very subjective views superimposed on them.

edit -
Nowhere in our public education system does anyone have freedom of speech.

While students have had rules to abide by while on campus, the thing that has changed is who is allowed to deliver commencement speeches. Only liberal speakers make it to the podium. John Kerry recently gave a speech where he declared that there are no borders. Funny, because it's only America who doesn't protect it's borders these days.

That's the kind of shit indoctrinated students hear in schools and colleges these days. And if they hear anything different, they run crying to their safe spaces until the authorities clean the chalk off the sidewalk or run the meanie conservatives off campus.

Off campus, we have media who choose to deliver politically correct "news", even if it means totally ignoring something negative about Hillary or other Dems.

We have protesters blocking streets and getting violent in order to shut down rallies and stop others from speaking.

We have people in the administration who would like to prosecute those who question global warming science.

Yea, there is an effort to squelch dissenting views by an intolerant left. "There is no more debate." Pretty much sums up their response to anyone who questions them.

 

[Juicin]

Always amazes me how poorly thought out most conservative talking points are.

You hear a few articulate ones talk about speech on campus, then extrapolate that to blaming highly educated liberals hidden away in offices for changing American preferences on speech beyond recognition.

It's never occurred to you that the change came from outside the campus?

I do hope you're not calling me a conservative.

That said, the honest liberals and I see what's going on and comment on it.

If you want to pretend that the Regressive Left has nothing to do with what's happening on college campuses, by all means, run with that.
.

Again you'd have to support policies curtailing freedom of speech to be "regressive" on freedom of speech

And again campuses have never had freedom of speech. So they're not "regressive" they're for the status quo. You're advocating a liberal position

Being "regressive" on freedom of speech would put you under strict scrutiny of the first amendment, and thus not last even if it was implemented. Which again no liberal supports.

You're very bad at this. I don't give a shit about your political leanings, we're discussing your position. You're really stupid

And to the personal insults we go. Done!

Sometimes this place is too easy.

I'll agree with the honest liberals to whom I linked.
.

So you don't understand the distinction between the campus and state?

The first amendment protects no one on campus from administrative action, lol

Is it that difficult for you to wrap your head around?

Have any thoughts of your own pinky? Hahaha

The First Amendment again? I told you this isn't about that.

I'll agree with the honest liberals to whom I linked.

You really are trying hard. An "A" for effort for you!
.

No that is what this is about

Freedom of speech is about freedom from the state stopping you from speaking

IN a free society, society is always going to get to burn you for saying something taboo. If they couldn't you'd be limiting their freedom

Every society has taboo thoughts and words, same with ours. No reason to think we will ever stop having them.

Certainly not liberals fault they exist. Christians and Jews are much touchier than the average liberal, and you find a very authoritarian streak among theists. Who are generally Republicans

 

[Mac1958]

I do hope you're not calling me a conservative.

That said, the honest liberals and I see what's going on and comment on it.

If you want to pretend that the Regressive Left has nothing to do with what's happening on college campuses, by all means, run with that.
.

Again you'd have to support policies curtailing freedom of speech to be "regressive" on freedom of speech

And again campuses have never had freedom of speech. So they're not "regressive" they're for the status quo. You're advocating a liberal position

Being "regressive" on freedom of speech would put you under strict scrutiny of the first amendment, and thus not last even if it was implemented. Which again no liberal supports.

You're very bad at this. I don't give a shit about your political leanings, we're discussing your position. You're really stupid

And to the personal insults we go. Done!

Sometimes this place is too easy.

I'll agree with the honest liberals to whom I linked.
.

So you don't understand the distinction between the campus and state?

The first amendment protects no one on campus from administrative action, lol

Is it that difficult for you to wrap your head around?

Have any thoughts of your own pinky? Hahaha

The First Amendment again? I told you this isn't about that.

I'll agree with the honest liberals to whom I linked.

You really are trying hard. An "A" for effort for you!
.

No that is what this is about

Freedom of speech is about freedom from the state stopping you from speaking

IN a free society, society is always going to get to burn you for saying something taboo. If they couldn't you'd be limiting their freedom

Okay, then you talk about the First Amendment, and I'll watch.

This was tedious several posts ago.

I'll agree with the honest liberals to whom I linked.
.

 

[asaratis]

That's a nice non sequitur

You want to show me where American liberals have tried to criminalise speech?

Shutting it down on campus again is as old as time. And was done by racist and bigoted Christians long before anyone we'd consider a progressive had a voice in Amerca

We used to have white supremacists debate in the halls of power in this country. Standards change, doesn't mean that these new rules are more or less legitimate than the ones banning racists. But it's intellectually no different without some very subjective views superimposed on them.

Criminalizing speech? Nice straw man. I didn't say that.

Here's a nice long (and growing!) list of honest liberals who agree that this has gone too far.

I'll be surprised if you read them:

• Obama on Political Correctness: ‘A Recipe for Dogmatism’
• Obama hits 'coddled' liberal college students
• Liberals and the Illiberal Left
  
• Can We Start Taking Political Correctness Seriously Now?
  
• The political correctness cops are going to ruin the progressive cause
• Tina Fey Calls Out The Oscars for Political Correctness, Liberal 'Hollywood Bull***t'
  
• Bill Maher Rails Against Crazy Political Correctness From Liberals Tells Media Matters to Shut The F ck Up Video RealClearPolitics
  
• Jerry Seinfeld says political correctness is hurting comedy - CBS News
  
• Don Lemon weighs in on PC culture Liberals are the most easily offended and the least tolerant - Salon.com
  
• Not a Very P.C. Thing to Say -- NYMag
  
• Liberal Turley against political correctness in News Forum
• Political correctness is the enemy of art
  
• Are Liberals Becoming Too Sensitive and Politically Correct
  
• Jim Webb says Democratic Party has lost its way - The Washington Post
  
• John Stuart Mill s Argument Against Political...
  
• Dem Blames Political Correctness for Fort Hood Workplace Violence Controversy - ABC News
  
• Is the New Political Correctness Already Dying -- NYMag
  
• I don t know what to do you guys Fredrik deBoer
  
• http://www.forwardprogressives.com/liberals-becoming-sensitive-politically-correct/
  
• http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid
  
• http://www.socialmemorycomplex.net/leftlibertarian/2012/06/12/a-leftist-critique-of-political-correctness/
  
• College Students Say Remembering 9/11 Is Offensive to Muslims
  
• How Diversity Police Halt Progress
  
• My view: Political correctness should not inhibit free speech
  
• http://scienceblogs.com/webeasties/2013/05/21/science-racism-and-political-correctness/
  
• http://www.hawkeyelounge.com/threads/liberal-columnist-leonard-pitts-asks-if-weve-overdone-political-correctness.130665/
  
• #CancelColbert and the Return of the Anti-Liberal Left
• I'm a progressive student who's scared my peers have gone off the deep end in killing free speech - The College Fix
• REED: When liberals become illiberal
  
• PC Police Out Of Control In Possibly The Most Absurd Story I've Ever Come Across
  
• “Political Correctness” | The Progressive Professor
  
• How Liberals Ruined College
  
• Rushdie warns of new dangers to free speech in West
  
• Liberals Should Be Deeply Disturbed By Political Correctness Craze Sweeping College Campuses
• Sam Harris Unloads on the Regressive Left | www.splicetoday.com
• Free Speech & the Modern Campus

Unless you're criminalizing speech, it's just cultural taboos

That's not something liberals control. Certainly not something any liberal in the halls of American power controls

No, liberals have nothing to do with it.

Wow.
.

What liberal could you possibly point to? Individuals don't control societal change

You won't find many neo conservatives who break social taboos on words either. It's much broader than liberals.

"what society thinks is taboo has changed boo hooo" lol

Unless you're a Muslim this isn't a problem for you as an American.

I provided a nice, long list of honest liberals who go into quite a bit of detail on this.

You don't want to hear it, you'll deny every example, that's fine. I know how this game is played.
.

It's quite simple. Liberals are afraid of and detest truthful conversation laced with logic and honesty.

 

[Juicin]

That's a nice non sequitur

You want to show me where American liberals have tried to criminalise speech?

Shutting it down on campus again is as old as time. And was done by racist and bigoted Christians long before anyone we'd consider a progressive had a voice in America.

We used to have white supremacists debate in the halls of power in this country. Standards change, doesn't mean that these new rules are more or less legitimate than the ones banning racists. But it's intellectually no different without some very subjective views superimposed on them.

edit -
Nowhere in our public education system does anyone have freedom of speech.

While students have had rules to abide by while on campus, the thing that has changed is who is allowed to deliver commencement speeches. Only liberal speakers make it to the podium. John Kerry recently gave a speech where he declared that there are no borders. Funny, because it's only America who doesn't protect it's borders these days.

That's the kind of shit indoctrinated students hear in schools and colleges these days. And if they hear anything different, they run crying to their safe spaces until the authorities clean the chalk off the sidewalk or run the meanie conservatives off campus.

But Liberal by whose standards?

I'm sure racists were pissed off when white nationalists were banned from making commencement speeches.

It's on a first principles basis no difference. It's a status quo position, not regressive

Now American liberals are probably taking it too far. Look at Trump, but that's the point that people in Ivy League schools don't decide this shit society as a whole does.

They only control campuses not Murica

 

[Mac1958]

Criminalizing speech? Nice straw man. I didn't say that.

Here's a nice long (and growing!) list of honest liberals who agree that this has gone too far.

I'll be surprised if you read them:

• Obama on Political Correctness: ‘A Recipe for Dogmatism’
• Obama hits 'coddled' liberal college students
• Liberals and the Illiberal Left
  
• Can We Start Taking Political Correctness Seriously Now?
  
• The political correctness cops are going to ruin the progressive cause
• Tina Fey Calls Out The Oscars for Political Correctness, Liberal 'Hollywood Bull***t'
  
• Bill Maher Rails Against Crazy Political Correctness From Liberals Tells Media Matters to Shut The F ck Up Video RealClearPolitics
  
• Jerry Seinfeld says political correctness is hurting comedy - CBS News
  
• Don Lemon weighs in on PC culture Liberals are the most easily offended and the least tolerant - Salon.com
  
• Not a Very P.C. Thing to Say -- NYMag
  
• Liberal Turley against political correctness in News Forum
• Political correctness is the enemy of art
  
• Are Liberals Becoming Too Sensitive and Politically Correct
  
• Jim Webb says Democratic Party has lost its way - The Washington Post
  
• John Stuart Mill s Argument Against Political...
  
• Dem Blames Political Correctness for Fort Hood Workplace Violence Controversy - ABC News
  
• Is the New Political Correctness Already Dying -- NYMag
  
• I don t know what to do you guys Fredrik deBoer
  
• http://www.forwardprogressives.com/liberals-becoming-sensitive-politically-correct/
  
• http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid
  
• http://www.socialmemorycomplex.net/leftlibertarian/2012/06/12/a-leftist-critique-of-political-correctness/
  
• College Students Say Remembering 9/11 Is Offensive to Muslims
  
• How Diversity Police Halt Progress
  
• My view: Political correctness should not inhibit free speech
  
• http://scienceblogs.com/webeasties/2013/05/21/science-racism-and-political-correctness/
  
• http://www.hawkeyelounge.com/threads/liberal-columnist-leonard-pitts-asks-if-weve-overdone-political-correctness.130665/
  
• #CancelColbert and the Return of the Anti-Liberal Left
• I'm a progressive student who's scared my peers have gone off the deep end in killing free speech - The College Fix
• REED: When liberals become illiberal
  
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Unless you're criminalizing speech, it's just cultural taboos

That's not something liberals control. Certainly not something any liberal in the halls of American power controls

No, liberals have nothing to do with it.

Wow.
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What liberal could you possibly point to? Individuals don't control societal change

You won't find many neo conservatives who break social taboos on words either. It's much broader than liberals.

"what society thinks is taboo has changed boo hooo" lol

Unless you're a Muslim this isn't a problem for you as an American.

I provided a nice, long list of honest liberals who go into quite a bit of detail on this.

You don't want to hear it, you'll deny every example, that's fine. I know how this game is played.
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It's quite simple. Liberals are afraid of and detest truthful conversation laced with logic and honesty.

Actually, I do believe that may be part of it.

Shutting down speech, safe places, all that - what are the Regressive Left so afraid of, that the bad guys will change minds?

If they're not afraid, why are they so damn reactionary?
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Says the party of the Patriot act and Torture

Not to mention reconstruction, lol

 

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That's a nice non sequitur

You want to show me where American liberals have tried to criminalise speech?

Shutting it down on campus again is as old as time. And was done by racist and bigoted Christians long before anyone we'd consider a progressive had a voice in America.

We used to have white supremacists debate in the halls of power in this country. Standards change, doesn't mean that these new rules are more or less legitimate than the ones banning racists. But it's intellectually no different without some very subjective views superimposed on them.

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Nowhere in our public education system does anyone have freedom of speech.

While students have had rules to abide by while on campus, the thing that has changed is who is allowed to deliver commencement speeches. Only liberal speakers make it to the podium. John Kerry recently gave a speech where he declared that there are no borders. Funny, because it's only America who doesn't protect it's borders these days.

That's the kind of shit indoctrinated students hear in schools and colleges these days. And if they hear anything different, they run crying to their safe spaces until the authorities clean the chalk off the sidewalk or run the meanie conservatives off campus.

But Liberal by whose standards?

I'm sure racists were pissed off when white nationalists were banned from making commencement speeches.

It's on a first principles basis no difference. It's a status quo position, not regressive

Now American liberals are probably taking it too far. Look at Trump, but that's the point that people in Ivy League schools don't decide this shit society as a whole does.

They only control campuses not Murica

Colleges should be teaching independent thinking since those students are the future and they are the ones who will make changes. Following what is perceived to be the status quo doesn't cut it as an excuse. The country is divided down the middle on political issues, but predominantly liberal colleges refuse to give the other half a voice.

Society is split, so there is no 'society as a whole' rejecting Ben Shapiro in favor of Kerry. There is simply what liberal-run colleges want.