Liberals sue to stop children from learning about God

[Vrenn]

The one True God, who sent his only;y Son to die for you

You want the 1st amendment and all those many court rulings changed, get off your dead ass and stop doing the opposite of what you are supposed to do, stop pissing on everyone else's parade.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Of course children should be taught about God. Yet these liberals want to deny our children the opportunity to learn about God. Our Founding Fathers must be turning over in their graves.

What exactly should they be taught about god ( lower case "g " intended) , and do you understand the difference between a belief in god and religious indoctrination?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Whose god, Lenny? And why would we force your religion on public school kids? Mandatory bible study is christian nationalist bullshit.

Because it would make for a safer world. Only 7% of conflicts in the entire history of humans were religious based. Take the two world, millions killed and they weren't religious based.

If you don't believe me, read the Encyclopedia of Wars. It was initially written to record all human conflicts, a by-product from that being is was noted only 7% were religious based. And even then, a chunk of those is to do with Islam over the last two to three thousand years.

The decline in religion is juxtaposed to the worsening of morals in society

 

[Skylar]

Because it would make for a safer world. Only 7% of conflicts in the entire history of humans were religious based. Take the two world, millions killed and they weren't religious based.

If you don't believe me, read the Encyclopedia of Wars. It was initially written to record all human conflicts, a by-product from that being is was noted only 7% were religious based. And even then, a chunk of those is to do with Islam over the last two to three thousand years.

The decline in religion is juxtaposed to the worsening of morals in society

So you're suggesting we trade liberty for security, then.

 

[Picaro]

The Constitution is clear on the issue.

Yes, it is; it says states can favor Christianty over everything else, including paganism and psycho commie kiddie groomers. The Fed has zero say in the matter.

 

[Captain Caveman]

So you're suggesting we trade liberty for security, then.

No, I'm suggesting it would make for a safer world, conflict wise.

 

[Skylar]

No, I'm suggesting it would make for a safer world, conflict wise.

How does religion inoculate us from war?

If a war is fought by religious people for non-religious reasons, what value was the religion in preventing the war? I don't see how that's 'safer'?

 

[Captain Caveman]

How does religion inoculate us from war?

If a war is fought by religious people for non-religious reasons, what value was the religion in preventing the war? I don't see how that's 'safer'?

What is needed is a way to assess how the role of religion has shaped societies. Researchers have tried, each study just gives a small picture of the full story, and also competing ideas. You will generally find Christianity states that the Bible teaches a person a decent life. The Encyclopedia of Wars threw up the conundrum. I suppose a person's position/agenda on the matter will diss the opposing claim. Just like the researchers, I've no idea.

If I had to make an opinioned guess, I would agree that morales are declining in relation to declining religion. But that's just based on my hunch.

 

[Skylar]

What is needed is a way to assess how the role of religion has shaped societies. Researchers have tried, each study just gives a small picture of the full story, and also competing ideas. You will generally find Christianity states that the Bible teaches a person a decent life. The Encyclopedia of Wars threw up the conundrum. I suppose a person's position/agenda on the matter will diss the opposing claim. Just like the researchers, I've no idea.

If I had to make an opinioned guess, I would agree that morales are declining in relation to declining religion. But that's just based on my hunch.

So that's not answer. That's an excuse for you not having any answer as to how religion makes us safer.

How then can you come to the conclusion that we'll be safer, conflict wise, if we force religion onto people, when you don't know how religion prevents wars....or evidence to support your conclusion?

It sounds like you have a hypothesis though. And a desire for honest research. That's a great place to start. But your conclusion would come after the research.

 

[lennypartiv]

What a stupid thing to say.

God wasn’t on their side in 2020, I guess

He was until the voter fraud happened.

 

[Skylar]

He was until the voter fraud happened.

So God was overpowered by voter fraud?

 

[lennypartiv]

Whose god, Lenny? And why would we force your religion on public school kids? Mandatory bible study is christian nationalist bullshit.

We were founded as a Christian nation.

 

[Skylar]

We were founded as a Christian nation.

"[t]he Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

The Treaty of Tripoli (1797)

Ratified by the Senate, signed by the President of the United States.

 

[lennypartiv]

They're not mandating Quran study in Oklahoma. They're only pushing the Bible on public school kids.

Because we are a Christian nation.

 

[Arlette]

We were founded as a Christian nation.

We've been through that numerous times, remember? I guess you don't. How old are you, Lenny?

 

[Skylar]

Because we are a Christian nation.

"[t]he Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

The Treaty of Tripoli (1797)

Ratified by the Senate, signed by the President of the United States.

 

[Arlette]

Because we are a Christian nation.

We discussed that before, remember? Do you remember what day of the week the garbage gets picked up up?

 

[lennypartiv]

And you find something wrong here or not. The Public Schools should not be endorsing a Religion of any kind. There is no law or sense that they can't have a comparison of many religions as long as they don't endorse one. By forcing the schools to have bibles, that is endorsing only 2 religions directly. Jadu/Christian. And that is against the 1st amendment where it separates the State and Religion.

Now, if you wish to push for a general class that equally presents all or most religions I would support that. The Students have the ability to weed through it. But not for 5-12 ages where it's the Parents job to help them decide.

We had school prayer in the public schools before.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Of course children should be taught about God. Yet these liberals want to deny our children the opportunity to learn about God. Our Founding Fathers must be turning over in their graves.

---A group of Oklahoma parents of public school students, teachers and ministers filed a lawsuit Thursday seeking to stop the state's top education official from forcing schools to incorporate the Bible into lesson plans for students in grades 5 through 12.---

MSN

Should children be taught what they should believe or should the be taught how to think about what they actually believe ?

 

[sartre play]

ALWAYS the parents choice, School is about learning skills that can help you have a more productive life.
Church is about your religious training, Choices made by parents and young people old enough to make their own choices.
fed or local governments have enough problems with out getting involved in religious training.