Concerned American
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Don't buy Chinese made garbage and the tariffs won't affect you. Simple.
Lets talk about Tariffs and what they mean to you!
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Papageorgio
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In 2017, that we were told by the left, that would raise inflation, hurt our economy? Those same tariffs did nothing but help the US, so much so Biden left the dangerous terrible tariffs in place. So I am skeptical, I know it will cause inflation but how much we are unsure. The biggest issue is our reliance on Chinese products and bullying tactics.
Stryder50
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A reminder that CCP China has been "at war" with the USA for some time now, on every front possible. Political; international relations; espionage(stealing secrets and patent rights); ideological, especially with communist infiltration to our education systems; military weapons and buildup - sabre rattling towards Taiwan, etc.; and especially economics.
The last thing the USA should do is feed CCP China's coffers~treasury.
Second Trump Term May Push China’s Economy Over the Cliff
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The Chinese economy is in far worse shape than it was in 2016, and a second Trump term could push it over the edge.
When news broke that former President Donald Trump had won reelection, stock markets rallied, the dollar rose, the yuan fell, and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) likely despaired. The trade war Trump launched against China in his first term slowed China’s growth, weakened its currency, and drove up its debt. However, China managed to withstand the first round of a Trump battle thanks to an otherwise strong economy.
In his second term, Trump has vowed to take an even tougher stance on China, reappointing Robert Lighthizer—the mastermind behind the original China trade war—as the new U.S. Trade Representative. Lighthizer, known for his pivotal work in quantifying the CCP’s intellectual property theft at between $225 billion and $600 billion annually, has long recommended that the United States decouple from China, a stance he reiterated in his 2023 book, “No Trade Is Free.” Since leaving his previous role in government, Lighthizer has worked at the Center for American Trade at the America First Policy Institute, a think tank that advocates holding China accountable for unfair trade practices, intellectual property theft, and environmental violations.
After four years of Trump tariffs, four years of Biden tariffs, prolonged COVID-19 lockdowns, and steady “de-risking“ by European and G7 countries, the Chinese economy remains in the doldrums. Youth unemployment was nearly 19 percent in August, close to the record high of 21.3 percent in 2023. The property sector continues to decline, with new home prices dropping, and local government debt, according to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) estimates, now stands at $8.4 trillion.
At the end of 2023, the IMF estimated China’s total government debt to be $20.7 trillion, while corporate debt was roughly 350 trillion yuan, or $48.76 trillion. With China’s gross domestic product (GDP) at just $18.2 trillion, the nation’s debt is more than three times the size of its economy.
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In his first term, Trump imposed tariffs of up to 25 percent on Chinese products. This time, he has pledged tariffs as high as 60 percent on Chinese imports, a move that could severely cripple China’s export sector. ... The Trump–Lighthizer duo could, in effect, decimate China’s manufacturing sector, stifling exports and driving up unemployment.
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Xi is now up against a reinvigorated Trump, the original China hawk, backed by a favorable Congress and a U.S. populace with a record 81 percent unfavorable view of China. Americans are far more likely to support a trade war now, and with China’s weakened economy, a renewed trade war could deliver a massive blow to Beijing.
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Second Trump Term May Push China’s Economy Over the Cliff
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The object of war is a better peace.
You don't win by pulling your punches.
Plan Red: China's Project to Destroy America
Gordon G Chang
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"A much needed wake-up call that China assumes that it is open season on Americans." —Victor Davis Hanson
"There is a Red Storm rising in the East—and America is already under assault from the Chinese Communist Party." —Lou Dobbs
“THE EAST IS RISING AND THE WEST IS DECLINING” —Xi Jinping, 2020
Xi Jinping, general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, chairman of the Central Military Commission and the president of the People's Republic of China, wants to shape the world in China’s image, and in his conception of the world there is no place for the United States or even the current international order. Noted China expert Gordon G. Chang warns that Xi Jinping believes he must destroy America to accomplish his objectives. And that Xi already has a plan to do it! Xi reveres Mao and is marching China back to Maoism. He is reinstituting totalitarian social controls, demanding absolute political obedience from everyone, and cutting foreign links. Closing China off from the world is an essential element of his plan to save the communist system. His isolationism and xenophobia evoke policies from the earliest years of the People’s Republic and during the two millennia of imperial rule.
And Xi can’t stop talking about war. More significantly, he is implementing the largest military buildup since the Second World War, he is trying to sanctions-proof the Chinese regime, he is stockpiling grain and other commodities, he is surveying America for strikes and sabotage, he is mobilizing China’s civilians for battle, and he is purging China’s military of officers opposed to going to war.
While America’s elite thinks their country is at peace, China’s regime is waging its brand of war. The Chinese regime has deliberately killed Americans in great numbers this century—with disease and in other ways—and it has a plan to destroy America. The communist party-state in fact believes it must eliminate the United States to ensure its own survival. And to accomplish its goals, the regime is now fast mobilizing to go to war. China is preparing to plunge the world into conflict. In PLAN RED; China's Project to Destroy America, Chang points out China’s campaign against America excludes nothing and uses every point of contact with American society to destroy it. China has been attacking America FROM INSIDE America! China’s penetration of American society has been so thorough that the Communist Party has been able to kill Americans with impunity; Xi turned an in-country epidemic into a once-in-a-century pandemic. This is the first time in history that one nation has attacked all the others.
The Communist Party is using all its resources to support criminal activity in America, and Americans are dying as a direct result of those activities. Xi Jinping’s China is preparing to go to war. Not just “unrestricted war” or political war but “hot war” or “kinetic war,” in other words, war as Americans see it in the movies. And China’s regime is planning to kill Americans in even greater numbers. It is marching the country to war. Americans, in the triumphalist mood after the fall of the Soviet Union, thought they should establish contacts with China.
Now, the Chinese regime uses every point of contact against America, and at the moment the regime is overwhelming American institutions. The FBI is being overwhelmed, local law enforcement is being overwhelmed, governments at all levels are being overwhelmed, and private organizations are being overwhelmed. After more than three decades of intensive “engagement,” it is clear Washington’s generous approach has failed. America has not changed China, as everyone now realizes; China has changed America.
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Plan Red: China's Project to Destroy America
"A much needed wake-up call that China assumes that it …
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Chang believes it is time to take a page from Ronald Reagan's playbook and work to bring down the enemy: the Communist Party. The Communist Party often talks about "win-win" solutions, but as its actions make clear, it believes there can be only one survivor, either the People's Republic of China or the United States of America.
In this situation, there is only one solution: America needs to sever virtually every point of contact with the regime.
As much as the United States wants to avoid war, China, for a host of internal reasons, is driving hard toward it. And should China ultimately choose war, the United States will almost certainly be in the fight.
China has a plan to destroy America. Does America have a plan to defend itself?
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Plan Red: China's Project to Destroy America (Hardcover)
"A much needed wake-up call that China assumes that it is open season on Americans."--Victor Davis Hanson"There is a Red Storm rising in the East--and America is already under assault from the Chinese Communist Party."--Lou Dobbs"THE EAST IS RISING AND THE WEST IS DECLINING" --Xi Jinping, 2020Xi...
www.warwicks.com
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GORDON G. CHANG (BEDMINSTER, NEW JERSEY) lived and worked in Shanghai and Hong Kong for almost two decades. He is a columnist at Newsweek, a regular contributor to The Hill, and writes for NEWSMAX. His writings have appeared in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, National Review, The American Conservative, Commentary, Barron's, and The Daily Beast. He is the author of China Is Going to War, The Great U.S.-China Tech War, Losing South Korea, Nuclear Showdown: North Korea Takes On the World, and The Coming Collapse of China.The author lives & works in the New York City metro area.gordonchang.com
( I made a few slight edits for readability )
Plan Red: China's Project to Destroy America
"A much needed wake-up call that China assumes that it …
Plan Red: China's Project to Destroy America (Hardcover)
"A much needed wake-up call that China assumes that it is open season on Americans."--Victor Davis Hanson"There is a Red Storm rising in the East--and America is already under assault from the Chinese Communist Party."--Lou Dobbs"THE EAST IS RISING AND THE WEST IS DECLINING" --Xi Jinping, 2020Xi...
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Why do you have to take everything to the extreme. Billionaires are not incompetent. Trump is.
FYI. Trump started in 1974 with $414 million that his father gave him. Is now worth $2.6 Billion. If had invested that amount in the SPX index and done NOTHING, he would have in excess of $22.6 billion (10 times more than he has now). Musk, started almost from scratch in 1981 and is now worth over $300 Billion (that is competence). Bloomberg started with nothing in 1976 and is now worth $120 billion.
Can you say that Trump is competent when you see those facts?
As far as TDS that you accuse me of having. What I have is TIS (Trump Incompetence syndrome). He has earned that. He has PROVEN to be incompetent over and over again. The only thing that he has been "somewhat" good at is Real Estate, but then again he was taught that from an early age by his father who was knowledgeable and competent at Real Estate and he was young (not yet a full narcissist) when his father taught him that.
How many times do I have to remind people of this simple fact
Trump has failed in ALL of those industries. His successes have been exclusively in Real Estate. Knowing Real Estate does not help a person be president of a country.
Geez, how can you so consistently ignore the facts.
I know, I know what you are going to say:
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Tariffs work...
1/26/22.... President Joe Biden ... has left tariffs in place on $350 billion of Chinese goods that were imposed by his predecessor.
The Biden administration said [9/13/24] that it has finalized tariff hikes on certain Chinese-made products that the president first announced in May.
The tariff rate will go up to 100% on electric vehicles, to 50% on solar cells and to 25% on electrical vehicle batteries, critical minerals, steel, aluminum, face masks and ship-to-shore cranes beginning September 27, according to the US Trade Representative’s Office.
1/26/22.... President Joe Biden ... has left tariffs in place on $350 billion of Chinese goods that were imposed by his predecessor.
The Biden administration said [9/13/24] that it has finalized tariff hikes on certain Chinese-made products that the president first announced in May.
The tariff rate will go up to 100% on electric vehicles, to 50% on solar cells and to 25% on electrical vehicle batteries, critical minerals, steel, aluminum, face masks and ship-to-shore cranes beginning September 27, according to the US Trade Representative’s Office.
Nostra
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Apparently no one cared much when Biden raised tariffs on EVs, solar panels, etc to 100% in May of 2024. Hmmmm.
FACT SHEET: President Biden Takes Action to Protect American Workers and Businesses from China’s Unfair Trade Practices | The White House
President Biden’s economic plan is supporting investments and creating good jobs in key sectors that are vital for America’s economic future and nationalwww.whitehouse.gov
Another thread fail from the moron OP.
Concerned American
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How many millions have you made? Hmmmm?
Papageorgio
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His real life or internet life? Lefty’s on this site claim they are rich and part of the 1%.
eagle1462010
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eagle1462010
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We didnt have to give shit back. We froze it because they are a state sponsor of terror. We should have taken it and given it to Israel just to piss in their cornflakes.
We owe TERRORISTS NOTHING.
BrokeLoser
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Trump has said repeatedly that his father loaned him $1M dollars, it is CNN and the Loon York Times who pulled the $414M number from their ass.
Look, the next four years are going to destroy you…I suggest you just get less gay, or less trans, or less taxpayer dependent, less degenerate or less illegal…FAST!!
Don’t let Trump do to you what he did to Mac1958 …Good luck.
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One good thing (of the few that I see coming) is that one of us will be proven 100% right and the other 100% wrong..............for sure.
As such and since you are not open to data, statistics and facts, it means that until that happens there is no reason for either of us to have any conversation.
Bye
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If we do not first do what is legally right, we have no right to expect others to do the same back. It is that simple. For 248 years we have represented Democracy, following laws and the Constitution, and being correct. If you feel that exceptions can be made (for whatever reason, even a good reason), the same will be done to us. That is a formula for war and injustice occurring.
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Yeah, but you are making one big mistake. They cost us more than we gained. It that a formula that works for you?LOL
You just admitted the tarriffs worked.
By the way, this is not opinion but fact. We lost money, our economy suffered (slightly but less than the gain), and our debt increased because of it. It was also "one" of the roots for the level of inflation we suffered.
Toddsterpatriot
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If we do not first do what is legally right, we have no right to expect others to do the same back.
We need to give money to a terrorist regime that will use it to support terrorist attacks against our allies around the world, because it's "legally right"?
Have you always been a stupid twat, or only recently?
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NY Times: Trump got $413M from his dad, much from tax dodges
NEW YORK (AP) — The New York Times reported Tuesday that President Donald Trump received at least $413 million from his father over the decades, much of that through dubious tax dodges, including outright fraud.The 15,000-word Times report contradicts Trump’s portrayal of himself as a self-made billionaire who started with just a $1 million loan from his father.
The Times says Trump and his father, Fred, avoided gift and inheritance taxes by setting up a sham corporation and undervaluing assets to tax authorities. The Times says its report is based on more than 100,000 pages of financial documents, including confidential tax returns from the father and his companies.
Take your debate and complaint to AP news and the 100,000+ financial documents they reviewed. I am just the messenger.
There is nothing special about the Progressives and their control of government. And Trump did not have a printing press.
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This OP and the debate is not about comparisons.
eagle1462010
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We owe terrorist nothing
BrokeLoser
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They also claimed he was given $60.7M and that he colluded with Russia…remember?
Trump claimed he turned a 'small' $1 million loan from his father into an empire. The New York Times says it was more like $60.7 million in loans
The Times reports, in a lengthy and exhaustive investigative article, that the amount would be worth $140 million in today's dollars, and that much of it was never repaid.
www.cnbc.com
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