Let's not forget that Obama played a major role in turning Syria into what it is today

[K9Buck]

obama used U.S. military force before congressional approval was given

That's true but, in all fairness, don't they all? Frankly, I don't think it's possible or practical to consult Congress on every use of the military.

 

[bendog]

So did the neocons. But the question is whether Trump made the Syrians better off, or us safer, by pulling out less than 1K US troops, and the answer is no to both.

Did Trump's withdrawal of our American boys make them safer?

Not really. Besides, troops generally aren't deployed in places where there are not threats. And more importantly, ISIS is safer.

 

[K9Buck]

Iraq was allowing inspectors in...

You often post statements of fact that are not factual. You create your own narratives. Saddam BANNED U.N. inspectors. Read something.

Newly released FBI reports describe Saddam Hussein's reasons for refusing UN inspectors to enter Iraq

 

[K9Buck]

Not really.

Removing American troops from the battlefield doesn't make them safer? LOL. Ok.

 

[K9Buck]

And let's not forget about Libya and the shithole it created there.

Yes, Libya was another disastrous move.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

And by the way ladies and gentlemen, this is why Tulsi Gabbard, IMO the Dem candidate that had the best chance at beating Trump, is trashed by establishment Democrats and Hillary Clinton herself.
She spoke early about all of the regime change wars in the M.E. in the past 20 years BY BOTH PARTIES including her insolence in daring to point out the wars funded and organized by Hillary and Obama. Can't have that dirty laundry out there so the DNC globalist have done everything to shun her.

 

[bendog]

Sometimes there are no good solutions regardless of who the Potus is. Although the stalemate in Syria that Trump inherited didn't seem so bad so long as we could convince the Syrian Kurds to leave Turkey alone. That solution was not enough for Erdogan. And the thousands of Syrian Muslim refugees in Turkey have to go back to Syria, but putting Assad back in charge is again just another excuse for slaughter.

 

[pknopp]

...it was never about Saddam to start with.

What was it about?

This has been covered for almost two decades now. Saddam was gone in short order but almost 20 years later we are still there.

 

[K9Buck]

Sometimes there are no good solutions regardless of who the Potus is. Although the stalemate in Syria that Trump inherited didn't seem so bad so long as we could convince the Syrian Kurds to leave Turkey alone. That solution was not enough for Erdogan. And the thousands of Syrian Muslim refugees in Turkey have to go back to Syria, but putting Assad back in charge is again just another excuse for slaughter.

You're out of your depth.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Sometimes there are no good solutions regardless of who the Potus is. Although the stalemate in Syria that Trump inherited didn't seem so bad so long as we could convince the Syrian Kurds to leave Turkey alone. That solution was not enough for Erdogan. And the thousands of Syrian Muslim refugees in Turkey have to go back to Syria, but putting Assad back in charge is again just another excuse for slaughter.

READ: "Let's just forget about what Obama did and concentrate on Trump moving a few dozen U.S. soldiers out of the area and pretend that is the real issue here".

 

[bendog]

Sometimes there are no good solutions regardless of who the Potus is. Although the stalemate in Syria that Trump inherited didn't seem so bad so long as we could convince the Syrian Kurds to leave Turkey alone. That solution was not enough for Erdogan. And the thousands of Syrian Muslim refugees in Turkey have to go back to Syria, but putting Assad back in charge is again just another excuse for slaughter.

READ: "Let's just forget about what Obama did and concentrate on Trump moving a few dozen U.S. soldiers out of the area and pretend that is the real issue here".

No, it's called let's not let trumpots ignore that Syria is not the result of Obama or even W. But the focus is trump has precipated a humanitarian disaster that is not about keeping America safe or bringing troops home, and it wasn't even vetted by state or defense, and you'r briging up Obama is just ….. dissimilating and trying to CHANGE THE TOPIC, TRUMPBOT

 

[K9Buck]

Sometimes there are no good solutions regardless of who the Potus is. Although the stalemate in Syria that Trump inherited didn't seem so bad so long as we could convince the Syrian Kurds to leave Turkey alone. That solution was not enough for Erdogan. And the thousands of Syrian Muslim refugees in Turkey have to go back to Syria, but putting Assad back in charge is again just another excuse for slaughter.

READ: "Let's just forget about what Obama did and concentrate on Trump moving a few dozen U.S. soldiers out of the area and pretend that is the real issue here".

No, it's called let's not let trumpots ignore that Syria is not the result of Obama or even W. But the focus is trump has precipated a humanitarian disaster that is not about keeping America safe or bringing troops home, and it wasn't even vetted by state or defense, and you'r briging up Obama is just ….. dissimilating and trying to CHANGE THE TOPIC, TRUMPBOT

Too dumb to read further. Ignore.

 

[DOTR]

Presidents from both parties have a bad habit of wanting to jump into conflicts in the Middle East without thinking....

not this president Thank God.

 

[bendog]

Presidents from both parties have a bad habit of wanting to jump into conflicts in the Middle East without thinking....

not this president Thank God.

Really? He's putting troops into Saudi Arabia.

 

[K9Buck]

Presidents from both parties have a bad habit of wanting to jump into conflicts in the Middle East without thinking....

not this president Thank God.

Very true.

 

[bendog]

W was handed a shit plat in terms of how the intelligence and law enforcement agencies handled for terror threats. Obama was left a shit plate with W's Iraq occupation. Trump was left a shit plate with Afghan and Isis. History will be the judge.

 

[bendog]

But I wonder if the same folks who are so happy about withdrawing from Syria without any civil solution are the same who applauded Obama doing the same in Iraq? Personally, I thought at the time W was an idiot for invading, and Obama should have sought some closure, but just not just have pulled out entirely without at least trying for a deal to keep a bunch of spooks and special forces in the green zone …. just in case. and not entirely because of the 4K dead and 31K wounded who left blood in Iraq.

 

[Obiwan]

And lets not forget Bush started It all.

What did Bush have to do with Syria?

Well he started that little Iraq war. That threw the whole middle east off. Then that lead to ISIS and that lead to the Syria war. Without the Iraq war none of this happens.

Maybe we should start calling you "Braindead"...

What started the war in Syria was Obama's attempt to overthrow Assad by arming "rebel" groups (including ISIS)...

He then sent our troops into Syria in an ILLEGAL (since it was NEVER approved by Congress) and ineffective attempt to straighten out the mess HE created...

Thank God Trump was able to defeat ISIS...

Remember when Obama asked Congress to vote on the Syria situation -- and in spite of all that war-monger talk they were doing to press Obama to be more active in Syria -- all of them refused to vote on it??

Now they like to pretend this never happened and bitch about Obama's red line....he sought the approval of Congress, they bitched out in order to not have the ramifications tied to them...like cowards



Obama sought congressional approval for 2013 military intervention in Syria

Translation: Obama took his actions WITHOUT GETTING CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL, AS REQUIRED BY LAW...

 

[pknopp]

But I wonder if the same folks who are so happy about withdrawing from Syria without any civil solution are the same who applauded Obama doing the same in Iraq? Personally, I thought at the time W was an idiot for invading, and Obama should have sought some closure, but just not just have pulled out entirely without at least trying for a deal to keep a bunch of spooks and special forces in the green zone …. just in case. and not entirely because of the 4K dead and 31K wounded who left blood in Iraq.

I condemn them both for not getting us out of these stupid wars and those who refuse to admit that we are killing the very same people we condemned Saddam for killing.

 

[bendog]

But I wonder if the same folks who are so happy about withdrawing from Syria without any civil solution are the same who applauded Obama doing the same in Iraq? Personally, I thought at the time W was an idiot for invading, and Obama should have sought some closure, but just not just have pulled out entirely without at least trying for a deal to keep a bunch of spooks and special forces in the green zone …. just in case. and not entirely because of the 4K dead and 31K wounded who left blood in Iraq.

I condemn them both for not getting us out of these stupid wars and those who refuse to admit that we are killing the very same people we condemned Saddam for killing.

Well W's invasion and the subsequent lack of security in Iraq resulted in isis. There are no do overs. Just play the hand as it is.