Let's have a conversation

[SweetSue92]

Take the culture back to what?

Pre-Woke. Thank God in heaven

 

[SweetSue92]

I see. Well, if we do 'take the culture back,' let's try not to alienate people in the process. I want this to work just as much as you do.

People who murder others for speech--or endorse this--NEED to be alienated. People who want Communism for our nation, who hate the USA, NEED to be alienated. You don't give Insanity a seat at the table. You banish them and do reasonable things.

 

[Hafar1014]

Absolutely it can be denied because it's bullshit.

Overall the left has absolutely condemned Kirk's murder and rejects political violence in general.

There are violent degenerates and vitriol to be found on all sides. It's not some sort of left thing that righties like to pretend it is.

Hundreds of left wing progressives have been fired for celebrating Kirks murder

 

[AntonToo]

Hundreds of left wing progressives have been fired for celebrating Kirks murder

Which part of that refuted what you've quoted?

No part. Hundreds is a tiny percentage of millions on the left and a small percentage of all the lefties who condemned the murder.

Maybe you need to spend more time reading what you quote.

 

[Dr.Destructo]

No, I don't think he wanted to see what they'd do. I think he wanted to manipulate them. He got very rich from manipulating people.

He was pushing them towards his right wing points of view.

Yes, maybe other people were trying to trip him up, because it was all a show, rather than a debate. It didn't achieve much other than him getting his right wing message across.

Ok, but HOW was he "pulling them"?
With facts any of those people could look up, research, or read for themselves.

If he told nothing but lies and opinions, then yeah, it would be that way.
But he didn't say anything to anybody that couldn't be found in historical documents or just witness for themselves by watching videos.

I will grant you this..........with the exception of the religious factor. None of that has ever been proven to be real or have ever existed.

 

[gipper]

Maybe true? But does not change the fact only one "elite" had plans to fix the broken country and is trying every day to get it done.

You ungrateful children be under 4 more Obiden regime years to fully kill the country if left on your own. You're welcome are the words you "elite" middlers are seeking.

Makes no difference who is potus. The potus is controlled by the same billionaires (including lots of Zionist billionaires) and big corporations. This is why nothing ever improves for the people, but the top .01% always get what they want no matter which crime family controls the WH.

Here is a great book that summarizes Carrol Quigley’s huge work Tragedy & Hope written decades ago, which exposes the scam.

 

[konradv]

What evidence would this be?

MAGA uses divisive language, then blames the left.

 

[konradv]

Not dignifying that screed with a response.

You just did!

 

[Billiejeens]

 

[j-mac]

I've watched several videos of Kirk's "conversations" over the last few days.

They are the standard "I'm 100% right, you're 100% wrong" crap coming from both him and the liberal.

That's a debate, not a conversation. Nothing constructive is created in debates like that. No common ground or new ideas come from that. Kirk was just another hardcore partisan ideologue. Both ends have plenty of them.

Why do you try so hard to be validated? Daddy issues?

 

[j-mac]

Careful, so that we don't fall into the same traps they did. They refused to converse with us, now the right are refusing to converse with them?

Here's an idea. Seek out the moderates, because believe it or not, there are. Don't broad-brush the left for its extremist wing. We had enough of them doing that to us.

What has taking the “High road” gotten us?

 

[irosie91]

IMO--"destiny" made a careless remark in view of the demonstrated INSPIRATION
value of gross atrocities (think October 7) ------people used to say "DON'T
FEED THE TROLLS" Now is the time to remember what Jesus said "don't cast
your pearls before swine" or maybe Matthew the tax collector said it

 

[frigidweirdo]

Ok, but HOW was he "pulling them"?
With facts any of those people could look up, research, or read for themselves.

If he told nothing but lies and opinions, then yeah, it would be that way.
But he didn't say anything to anybody that couldn't be found in historical documents or just witness for themselves by watching videos.

I will grant you this..........with the exception of the religious factor. None of that has ever been proven to be real or have ever existed.

But the couldn't do the research or the reading or the looking up while they were there talking to him, could they?

And he was saying things, and ignoring things, and using certain tactics to push the conversation his way. And he was doing it with university kids because... how many people are that politically savvy and know a lot of stuff at that age?

I saw one video where a girl confronted him with it, and he just said "facts" like "you're a voter and I'm a voter" but completely avoided talking about the facts of what he's actually doing.

When he said "where is the word 'democracy' in the US Constitution?" he missed out the fact that the Supreme Court has said that the US is a kind of democracy, that people have the right to vote.

One fact to obscure another. It's not honest.

And why did he not like democracy? Because that way the right can take over, they can play their games and not listen to the people, but do their "moral" nonsense.

 

[Nostra]

It is totally Kirk's fault.

He knows what he's doing. He's not debating to get people to be better at debating and increase their skill. He's not trying to get people to be open-minded.

He was pushing his ideology onto people and dressed it up as "debate" or "conversation".

He could have set him whole thing up however he wanted. He did it the way he did it because that's what he wanted, to manipulate people.

Kirk announced well in advance when he will be on campus. If your lil libturd college kids are too lazy to study up on the topics they bring up how the **** is that Kirk’s fault?

 

[Nostra]

He was pushing an ideology. That ideology was not consistent.

For example he'd say he was in favor of free speech, but then he'd be against gay people, against black people, against women.

He was pushing for society to become more conservative, a type of conservative that tells people to conform or else.

That's hurting people and it will hurt people in the future.

I'd not heard of this dude before he got killed.

However my work colleague sounds like a less knowledgeable version of Kirk. He pumped the same ideas. This is what he "believed", and if you get enough people to believe that black people are inferior and need DEI in order to get them jobs, and if they are working they won't be qualified, and that women should be "Kinder, Küche, Kirche" and not be independent people, then yes, he's hurting people.

You never heard of him, but you claim he is against black people, gay people, and women.

Announcing your ignorance, then immediately jumping in to claim you know all about him is hilarious.

What a clown.

 

[Nostra]

Who did he get shot dead by? !

One of your Murder Cult minions.

 

[Nostra]

Really?

Holding previous elective office doesn't qualify one for higher elective office? A funny and not surprisingly stupid posture you're adopting there.

And yet you and your Murder Cult claim Trump isn’t qualified for President because he hadn't held any office.

Hypocrite much?

 

[Nostra]

Then don't play little games. I posted assassinations, it was a place to start. I have concentration problems, I don't think of EVERYTHING before I start a conversation. I start with a point, you reply, it makes me thing of something I reply, you think of something until we build up a view of what's going on, maybe making concessions, maybe coming to an understanding, maybe not.

Once again, you are claiming to know what Kirk was all about after saying you never heard of him.

Dumbass.

 

[Nostra]

MAGA uses divisive language, then blames the left.

Really?

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Pre-Woke. Thank God in heaven

That doesn't mean anything.