Let's Eliminate Government-Mandated Handicapped Parking Spots.

[dblack]

I don't get a lot of what's going on in this thread. A little disturbing

Well, it's a matter of principle and precedent. Granted, special parking for the disabled is a small inconvenience, and a relatively minor concession to the DEI mentality. But it's built on the same premise: that the government is there to distribute privilege to the "deserving", rather than to protect everyone's rights equally. No one wants to hear about slippery slopes, but they always start with innocuous stuff like this, and then get expanded.

And that's what's happened. Despite recent setbacks, Dems are still carrying on a wide ranging campaign to replace equal rights with "equity".

 

[rightwinger]

But it's built on the same premise: that the government is there to distribute privilege to the "deserving", rather than to protect everyone's rights equally. No one wants to hear about slippery slopes, but they always start with innocuous stuff like this, and then get expanded.

Help those who need helping

 

[dblack]

Help those who need helping

mkay

 

[MarathonMike]

I have no problem with handicapped spaces, they just have too many of them. I also see assholes hopping out of cars with handicap designation who are obviously not handicapped. Prolly Trump Hating Democrats.

 

[Mashmont]

I've got more problem with these "pick up" spots. Screw these lazy people who don't do their own shopping. They should either be relegated to parking in the farthest reaches of the lot or sent to the back door to pick up their purchases.

Except businesses should be able to do as they see fit. In this case, they're trying to encourage more purchase sand delivery.

 

[Mashmont]

No that is the price of having a business and I am sure that stores calculate it in their decisions,

So who else do you claim lose liberties? I know people that are in wheelchairs and need the extra space to get in and out of cars, is it just screw them? They can stay home and starve?

I agree we need different guidelines but to chuck the whole system because you are pissed seems rash.

Nobody said chuck the whole system. I said make it private. Unless you mean chuck the whole government system, which I think we should do.

 

[Papageorgio]

Nobody said chuck the whole system. I said make it private. Unless you mean chuck the whole government system, which I think we should do.

so you want to chuck the whole system.

 

[Mashmont]

It also is a great service for the disabled who no longer can easily do their own shopping. Or say for my relative with advanced COPD who didn't/doesn't want to risk getting exposed to the flu or COVID etc. that could be fatal for that person. Or someone like me who can no longer lift heavier weights.

If someone is that damaged, maybe they shouldn't be driving.

If you can save a delivery charge by driving to a pickup location and having your purchase brought to your car, I won't fault anybody for using that service. And kudos to stores that understand what customer service is and provide it to bring more customers to their place of business.

And no government agency made them do it or initiated their doing it.

I hope and pray that you folks who are younger and still reasonably fit will never know the ravages of disability. But I also hope you can have some compassion for those who are not that fortunate.

There we go again. For the tenth time, we all have compassion for the truly unfortunate. That's the whole point of stopping abusers. But we must not abuse business in the process. That's why we should make it more fair to them by allowing them to come up with solutions that businessmen, not government are motivated to creatively accomplish.

Leftwingers miss the fact that nobody is more interested in serving the customer's needs than business. It's good business to do so. Government bureaucrats never get it right. It's more about power to them than helping people.

 

[Mashmont]

so you want to chuck the whole system.

I just answered the question.

 

[Mashmont]

How many business actually have a security guy patrolling the lot?

And I’ve worked security, trying to enforce something like this would be a logistical nightmare

Big boxes have cameras everywhere. Inside and outside. They monitor for shoplifting among other things.

 

[Mashmont]

No that is the price of having a business and I am sure that stores calculate it in their decisions,

Sure, now they have no choice but to bake it in their expenses.

So who else do you claim lose liberties? I know people that are in wheelchairs and need the extra space to get in and out of cars, is it just screw them? They can stay home and starve?

Businesses, primarily, and the 98% who have to accommodate the few.

 

[Mashmont]

You wouldn't say that if you were black, a woman, or not rich enough to get a good education.

The 1950s was better for the family structure, regardless of the race. 1950s was great for women, because they were respected, revered, and surrounded by a husband and family. Today, there are so many poor single mothers with no help. LIke that black woman who worked at Burger King story.

 

[Foxfyre]

If someone is that damaged, maybe they shouldn't be driving.

And no government agency made them do it or initiated their doing it.

There we go again. For the tenth time, we all have compassion for the truly unfortunate. That's the whole point of stopping abusers. But we must not abuse business in the process. That's why we should make it more fair to them by allowing them to come up with solutions that businessmen, not government are motivated to creatively accomplish.

Leftwingers miss the fact that nobody is more interested in serving the customer's needs than business. It's good business to do so. Government bureaucrats never get it right. It's more about power to them than helping people.

Your thread title is to take government out of the equation. That suggests do away with it because some fat lady used a handicapped parking space?

I've made a very good argument for why the system can't work without some government authority being involved and enforcing the necessary laws to sustain it.

I think most Americans are compassionate enough to understand that.

I can't see how one can claim to be compassionate when they want to dismantle the system because of contempt for fat people.

 

[Mashmont]

People who are handicapped do not get SSI necessarily. You are mixing your terms.

Nobody said they did.

 

[Mashmont]

True, but many of these obese people truly have a disability.
Some are abusing the system, but I like to get in my steps and parking AWAY from other cars.
I have NO problem parking 200 feet away and walking.
What got up your ASS, you are capable of walking 200 feet, right?

There is no medical condition that forces people to eat a half gallon of ice cream at a sitting as 400 pounders do.

 

[Mashmont]

I've made a very good argument for why the system can't work without some government authority being involved and enforcing the necessary laws to sustain it.

I'll ask again. what government authority is making big boxes provide motorized scooters and wheelchairs? What government agency forced or even introduced the practice of home delivery of groceries? Let creative people create.

I can't see how one can claim to be compassionate when they want to dismantle the system.

Because government is poor at administering everything.

 

[Unkotare]

There is no medical condition that forces people to eat a half gallon of ice cream at a sitting as 400 pounders do.

Recycling your illogical bullshit already?

 

[Mashmont]

This morning, I weighed three pounds more than when I graduated from high school. I tire easily, have knees that make walking up and down stairs extremely painful, and can pass out when my blood pressure crashes from exercise. I didn't have those problems 46 years ago. I'll keep my handicapped parking space, thank you!

Good. You have a specific diagnosis of an infirmity independent of weight.

 

[ThisIsMe]

My wife and I both qualify for a handicapped parking placard, but I don't need one since she got her placard first. She has two artificial hips and if they aren't bothering her, she can walk for miles, but you never know when that might not be possible. She often does carry a cane just in case.

I had a liver transplant and spent 3 months in the hospital afterward and was bedridden and had to learn to walk again by building up my strength. I already had bad knees from standing watch on steel decks for years. Before I even had the transplant, I had to use the electric carts to shop, but I have mostly recovered.

My daughter was discharged from the Army because she tore her ankle up so badly that the surgical repairs even failed. She has VA 80% disability rating because she cannot stand for extended periods, but she can literally walk for miles.

My son and I attended the Grand Ole Opry tonight in Nashville. While parking, they directed me to the handicapped parking lot, separate from the others. When we parked and got out of the car, a gentleman in a golf cart pulled up and told us to hop aboard as he would take us up the hill to the show. My son is a 100% disabled vet. The Opry has elevators that we could have taken all the way up to only a small set of stairs to out nosebleed seats. When we came out, the elevators were busy so I walked down 4 huge flights of stairs to get out, and then down a about 75-yard-long ramp back to the parking lot when the line for the golf cart was too long and we could walk, so we did. We didn't want to make people worse than us to wait.

You can't tell by looking at any one of us that we have a handicap, except when my wife carries her cane.

I know, thats why I made that clarification. I just have a peeve for people who abuse handicap parking spots because they are too lazy to walk or feel entitled to park close to the entrance.

 

[Mashmont]

I think Mash is just butt hurt because he didn't get a placard from his doc.

I don't need a placard. I walk four miles with hills every other day.