Let's Eliminate Government-Mandated Handicapped Parking Spots.

I think you are ignoring what I actually posted.
I didn't ignore anything. I have no problem with handicapped spaces. I have a problem with additional prime spaces being allocated for folks that are too lazy to do their own shopping. As for the efficiency of the employee excuse---many stores have the pick ups done at the back door of the store, keeping "close-in" spaces available for other customers.
 
I understand that, I had a stroke last year and looking at me I am fine but when I get mentally or physically tired, I have difficulty walking and focusing. Most of the time, I feel well and park out always but being able to pull up close when I need it helps me and esp my wife who has to help me.
So sorry for your disability but it happens. You probably appear the picture of health and vitality to the outside observer too. It doesn't show. I didn't want my disability either, but it happened. There was no way to prevent it. So far no way has been found to treat it.

My sister-in-laws was berated one time by an insensitive clod when she pulled into a handicapped spot, hung her temporarily issued tag, and got out of the car. She looked perfectly fit and healthy yes, but she was undergoing chemo that made her disoriented at times and extremely weak at times. She's fine now but then she absolutely needed that close in parking space.

Probably most disabilities are invisible to the outside observer.
 
No more expensive than it is now. You have security do checks from time to time. You have cameras. You have photo ID on the placard.
How many business actually have a security guy patrolling the lot?

And I’ve worked security, trying to enforce something like this would be a logistical nightmare
 
I have a problem with additional prime spaces being allocated for folks that are too lazy to do their own shopping.
Oh my, we have something that we are very much in agreement on. :yes_text12:

At HEB they have the main entrance with all the parking. on the side is another entrance with a smaller amount of parking for pickup.
 
So sorry for your disability but it happens. You probably appear the picture of health and vitality to the outside observer too. It doesn't show. I didn't want my disability either, but it happened. There was no way to prevent it. So far no way has been found to treat it.

My sister-in-laws was berated one time by an insensitive clod when she pulled into a handicapped spot, hung her temporarily issued tag, and got out of the car. She looked perfectly fit and healthy yes, but she was undergoing chemo that made her disoriented at times and extremely weak at times.

Probably most disabilities are invisible to the outside observer.
Thank you, I go for long walks almost everyday but when I start to tire, things go down hill rapidly, I was a block away from my house one morning and got so confused I had to call my wife to come get me, the cell phone has a locator so she came and got me.

People that make judgments like that one person did are usually lacking empathy and understanding. I hope your sister in law prayed for that person as they obviously did not understand what they did.
 
Oh my, we have something that we are very much in agreement on. :yes_text12:

At HEB they have the main entrance with all the parking. on the side is another entrance with a smaller amount of parking for pickup.
That is a great solution, Walmart does that as well.
 
I didn't ignore anything. I have no problem with handicapped spaces. I have a problem with additional prime spaces being allocated for folks that are too lazy to do their own shopping. As for the efficiency of the employee excuse---many stores have the pick ups done at the back door of the store, keeping "close-in" spaces available for other customers.
Is it really all that huge an convenience if someone is feeling too ill or too weak or otherwise disabled and needs that service? Do you have some kind of special insight to determine if a person is just lazy or has an issue that makes that service very valuable, even necessary to him/her?

Are you confident that those spaces would be available for you and not already been taken by other 'lazy' people before you got there, if they were not reserved for those who want to receive delivery at the door?

All I am arguing here is that maybe we Americans have room for compassion for those who do have special needs that we don't? Even if those services are used by those who don't have special needs?

I'm not at all able to determine which is which myself.

The closest Walmart super center to us does not have easy access to the sides or rear of the store. So the pickup area is at the front door. That doesn't bother me at all. I've never used it as a pickup area myself.
 
All I am arguing here is that maybe we Americans have room for compassion for those who do have special needs that we don't?
That has been answered with the ADA and mandated handicapped spaces for decades. Pick up spots that take away convenient parking for the general public because of laziness is ridiculous. Please explain the logic of having both. Your argument for both is disingenuous.
 
Thank you, I go for long walks almost everyday but when I start to tire, things go down hill rapidly, I was a block away from my house one morning and got so confused I had to call my wife to come get me, the cell phone has a locator so she came and got me.

People that make judgments like that one person did are usually lacking empathy and understanding. I hope your sister in law prayed for that person as they obviously did not understand what they did.
I'm sure she did. She is that kind of person. :)
 
That has been answered with the ADA and mandated handicapped spaces for decades. Pick up spots that take away convenient parking for the general public because of laziness is ridiculous. Please explain the logic of having both. Your argument for both is disingenuous.
The driver doesn’t care where the pick up spot is

The employee hauling out the order does
 
I used to think all those facilities were not going to be used.
But realized we will all eventually need them
Yes. Before you needed some accommodation for your disability, you do notice when you've looked forever for a parking place that there are several empty handicapped parking places at the front of where you're going. And it's easy to feel a bit of resentment that you can't find a park when all those wonderful spaces are empty.

But the fact is they probably wouldn't be empty if they weren't reserved for the handicapped so you probably wouldn't have access to them anyway.

Nobody want to be disabled. Nobody wants to need special accommodations. Nobody wants to be fat for that matter. But it happens, usually through no intentional fault of the person it happens to.

And once you do need those helpful accommodations, they are truly a blessing and you much appreciate the spirit of compassion that made them happen.
 
Huh? You don't see how? It's dictating parking practices for businesses. Seems pretty straightforward.
Oh come on. Follow that logic to its natural conclusion and it’s a “loss of liberty” to have speed limits. Or to require businesses to have fire exits.

Having to walk a little further in parking lots if you’re able bodied is no great hardship.
 
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Target has too many designated pick up spots, ours has 12 or 14, which they are rarely used.
I suppose it is possible for some stores to overdo it. None around here that I have observed overdo it though. I guess my position is that I am willing to be mildly inconvenienced in order for others to have a service/opportunity that they need. So if a store has a pickup zone at the front door, how does that harm anybody? And it could be a real blessing for somebody who needs that. If the store can put those places at the side or rear, good, but not all can easily do that. Some can't do it at all. And if some abuse the privileges or conveniences offered, well that isn't worth not offering those services at all.

Where I draw the line is having to use my phone to scan prices or to read a restaurant menu and things like that. I just am not comfortable with that at all and generally can't figure out how to do it anyway. :) (I have finally conceded to use those little machines on restaurant tables that you stick your credit card into or tap it to pay your bill.)

Pickup zones, handicapped parking spaces and such are far more primitive concepts but still a true blessing for those who need them even if that privilege is abused. I have no more problem with government requiring those or stores providing those than I do with laws against littering even if it's a pain trying to find some place legal to dispose of my drink cup or whatever.
Thank you, I go for long walks almost everyday but when I start to tire, things go down hill rapidly, I was a block away from my house one morning and got so confused I had to call my wife to come get me, the cell phone has a locator so she came and got me.

People that make judgments like that one person did are usually lacking empathy and understanding. I hope your sister in law prayed for that person as they obviously did not understand what they did.
Your stroke is one of those issues I was thinking about. It doesn't always happen, but for many who have strokes--and they can happen to what are believed to be 100% healthy, fit people--that can do very weird things to the body and/or mind. And that is something that often doesn't show but it is truly a disability.

When you have never experienced sudden debilitating fatigue or weakness when normally you feel strong and fit, it is difficult to understand what that is like. If you've never experienced vertigo that comes on unexplained or severe chest pain that you carry nitro pills to deal with or experienced any of dozens of invisible but handicapping medical conditions, it is probably easier to judge people who appear well, fit, capable but endure these things. Is that really fat lady just a lazy slob pigging out on Twinkies? Or does she suffer Cushings Disease that disrupts insulin production in the body, screws up your metabolism and other factors?

Can you tell by looking? No.

So please people, don't be so quick to judge the person who uses that pickup zone or handicapped space. Things are not always what they seem.
 
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Oh come on. Follow that logic to its natural conclusion and it’s a “loss of liberty” to have speed limits. Or to require businesses to have fire exits.
And, of course, it is.
Having to walk a little further in parking lots if you’re able bodied is no great hardship.
Irrelevant to my point, but I agree.
 
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With the knees and back issues I have I could get a handicap placecard but I park as far away from other peoples vehicles as I can get because most people are idiot's and don't give a crap about you or your stuff. They will hit your car with shopping carts. Park to close and a bunch of other garbage to make other peoples lives harder to live.
 
I've got more problem with these "pick up" spots. Screw these lazy people who don't do their own shopping. They should either be relegated to parking in the farthest reaches of the lot or sent to the back door to pick up their purchases.
A lot of those people are handicapped, too.

The ones that aren't, good on them. They have a store employee grab what they want off the shelves, since they know where it is by heart, take it out to your car and drop it off. Pre-Paid, no waiting in line ahead of you, slowing everybody down, no fumbling, stumbling around looking for hidden items.... Takes a lot of heat off people like you that do go in the stores.

I don't get a lot of what's going on in this thread. A little disturbing
 
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