Let's Drop the Partisan Knee-Jerk Reactions and Look at the Ukraine Negotiations Realistically and Fairly

[CowboyTed]

I cant promise you that Ukraine will not lose any territory by accepting a peace deal

But appears that without full scale intervention and war by NATO Ukraine will lose more

Nope...

Ukraine needs mainly Ammo and Drones and time... Mercenary Airforce would be a big help but Ammo is the big thing...

 

[Mac-7]

Not really...

Second time he know US won't help....

He needs to be put back in his place and anyone who wants can join NATO... Fuck him, he has to stop interfering in other sovereign nations. USSR is finished, gone, bye....

Ok, so you vote for war between the russians and NATO?

 

[Mac-7]

Nope...

Ukraine needs mainly Ammo and Drones and time... Mercenary Airforce would be a big help but Ammo is the big thing...

See post 182

 

[CowboyTed]

Ok, do you vote for war between the russians and NATO?

Nope...

Just give Ukrainians the arms and munitions to protect themselves and push them back...

We can buy a Mercenary Airforce to help, if we really want to win it... No NATO troops...

Pricewise, this is a very cheap war... It still hasn't spent the first two months in Iraq war... No injured vets, not toxic dump pit payouts... It is pretty clean...
What are we getting for this... A humiliated and severely weakened Russia, China knowing that NATO/US can fuck you up without putting a troop on the ground and Taiwan is far better prepared..
This is a message to the world that US can have a hundred thousand cheap disposable drones which can cause havoc if you try and invade anyone.

If the US could stop the infighting, they could see that Ukraine is a massive win that US just has to grab, you have to just put Putin in his place.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Give them a few years to rearm and restock, then on to Invasion Part II.

I believe Putin will think twice before repeating that mistake again

Keyword is “give Putin” a reward for unleashing his missiles onto a civilian population and sending his raping soldiers into the Ukrainian countryside.

just because Donald Trump wants to reward Putin does not mean the Republican Party should reward Putin with anything he wants.

This war ends when Putin pulls his military out of Ukraine and stops firing missiles into Ukraine. If Putin was afraid of Donald Trump Trump could tell him that he better withdraw. It’s the only peace negotiations I would accept on behalf of the brave Patriots of Ukraine who are defending my liberty with their lives

 

[Mac-7]

Nope...

Just give Ukrainians the arms and munitions to protect themselves and push them back...

We can buy a Mercenary Airforce to help, if we really want to win it... No NATO troops...

Pricewise, this is a very cheap war... It still hasn't spent the first two months in Iraq war... No injured vets, not toxic dump pit payouts... It is pretty clean...
What are we getting for this... A humiliated and severely weakened Russia, China knowing that NATO/US can fuck you up without putting a troop on the ground and Taiwan is far better prepared..
This is a message to the world that US can have a hundred thousand cheap disposable drones which can cause havoc if you try and invade anyone.

If the US could stop the infighting, they could see that Ukraine is a massive win that US just has to grab, you have to just put Putin in his place.

Its too bad that the euros along with biden didnt think your plan before trump took office

If they had it may have been debunked by now and we could try making a ceasefire trump’s way

The longer the war goes on the more land ukraine will lose

 

[22lcidw]

Ukraine is known as the breadbasket of Europe because of vast quantities of wheat grown there.

Russian in control of a major component of Europe's food supply? Ya, nothing could go wrong with that.

WW

The old Soviet Union had Ukraine and its growing potential. They just had an issue transporting the goods at times. Time for us to consider leaving NATO or a reduced presence. Those who support Ukraine have irons in the fire. There is something wrong.

 

[krichton]

You’re concerned about Russia interfering with it’s neighbor Ukraine, yet the USG interferes with nearly every nation on earth.

Do you see the hypocrisy?

Here come Putin's useful idiots to the rescue. The US aren't trying to conquer other countries in order to add territory to their empire. Now answer the ops question and stop deflecting.

 

[gipper]

Here come Putin's useful idiots to the rescue. The US aren't trying to conquer other countries in order to add territory to their empire. Now answer the ops question and stop deflecting.

Amazing the level of ignorance you possess.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I cant promise you that Ukraine will not lose any territory by accepting a peace deal

But it appears that without full scale intervention and war by NATO Ukraine will lose more

Trumps "Peace" deal was Russia keeps conquered territory and the US gets 50% of Rare Earth Minerals remaining in what left of Ukraine.

WW

 

[CowboyTed]

The old Soviet Union had Ukraine and its growing potential. They just had an issue transporting the goods at times. Time for us to consider leaving NATO or a reduced presence. Those who support Ukraine have irons in the fire. There is something wrong.

Thanks comrade...

You can politely fuck off...

Europe will have to do this on their own and they won't forget... Europe will remember this, US asked NATO to go to war and they did...

 

[Mac-7]

Trumps "Peace" deal was Russia keeps conquered territory and the US gets 50% of Rare Earth Minerals remaining in what left of Ukraine.

WW

At least 80% and maybe more will remain with trump brokering a deal

 

[gipper]

Thanks comrade...

You can politely fuck off...

Europe will have to do this on their own and they won't forget... Europe will remember this, US asked NATO to go to war and they did...

Europe would be insane to start a war with Russia over Ukraine, which it has no interest in.

All Americans should know by now, not to get involved in Europe’s messes. Two world wars should have been enough to convince all, but sadly too many Americans have been trained by the establishment to love war. Like you, though you won’t be doing the killing and dying.

 

[WorldWatcher]

At least 80% and maybe more will remain with trump brokering a deal

Funny how the most valualble resources are in Russian occupied territory that Putin would get to retain after his invasion.

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What are Ukraine’s rare earth minerals and what will the deal with Trump involve?

More than 50 per cent of Ukraine’s critical rare earth mineral resources are in regions illegally annexed by Vladimir Putin and partially occupied by his forces

www.independent.co.uk

 

[MisterBeale]

that permanently halts Russian interference in Ukraine's internal affairs.

I really don't think the Kremlin would have a problem with this, if the west would likewise stop with the west's interference in Ukraine's internal affairs as well.



Most of know, that is how this whole thing started.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

He’s giving Putin UKRAINE

You dolt

Of course not. There will be Ukraine even if Ukraine is not part of NATO. Of course there are internal struggles in Ukraine where a portion of the people aren't interested in Ukranian nationality, but that's on them.

 

[Lesh]

Of course not. There will be Ukraine even if Ukraine is not part of NATO. Of course there are internal struggles in Ukraine where a portion of the people aren't interested in Ukranian nationality, but that's on them.

Yeah. Like there was a “Poland” in 1942

 

[Zavulon]

Of course not. There will be Ukraine even if Ukraine is not part of NATO. Of course there are internal struggles in Ukraine where a portion of the people aren't interested in Ukranian nationality, but that's on them.

Or there will be Kievan People Republic, where "people interested in Ukrainian nationality" will be healed with intercranial injection of lead pills.

 

[Rawley]

Again, it amuses me that you think that Taiwan should be defended to the end of the world (even though we don't recognize it as a country) but you think that Ukraine should make concessions to Putin even though we promised to protect them in the 1994 nuclear accord.

Why didn't Obama or Biden fulfill that promise you claim we made to Ukraine?

 

[Lesh]

Why didn't Obama or Biden fulfill that promise you claim we made to Ukraine?

At the time Putin was maintaining the fiction that he was not part of the Donbas Conflict