Let's Drop the Partisan Knee-Jerk Reactions and Look at the Ukraine Negotiations Realistically and Fairly

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Ukraine is nothing and I mean nothing like Afghanistan is right now.


with respect to women’s rights to abortion, Texas, Florida and Missouri run by white Christian Taliban are states that treat women like the Afghanistan Taliban do.
 
Ukraine is nothing and I mean nothing like Afghanistan is right now.
except when it comes to elections
with respect to women’s rights to abortion, Texas, Florida and Missouri run by white Christian Taliban are states that treat women like the Afghanistan Taliban do.
now all they have to do is suspend elections and they will be like ukraine :abgg2q.jpg:
 
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Trump is five steps ahead of you leftwingers. He appears tough on Zelensky and easy on Putin, but notice he isn't giving Russia anything. I

Whut Don Trumputin said on Pravda Truth Social Mar 03, 2025 "We should spend less time worrying about Putin, and more time worrying about migrant rape gangs, drug lords, murderers, and people from mental institutions entering our Country - So that we don’t end up like Europe!"

WHAT I SAY CLXII to 17 …~…. Let us focus on crimes of drug smuggling, human trafficking, rape, murder as our constitution tells us to do with aggressive due process under the law, regardless of race, religion or country of origin. At the same time, let’s focus on one ruthless dictator with a fucking nuclear arsenal, who has killed hundreds of thousands of human beings in a quest to dominate Europe similar to the dictator who triggered a world war the same way in 1941. We can chew gum and be free with liberty and justice for all at the same time. Thank you, Jesus.

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On one side, we have many conservatives accusing Zelensky of rejecting peace and being unreasonable because he wants a permanent peace deal that includes a security guarantee and because he does not want to cede any territory. On another side, we have many liberals accusing Trump of siding with Putin and selling out Ukraine because he is not agreeing to all of Zelensky's terms. Could a realistic, fair assessment be somewhere between these two extremes?

A unilateral U.S. guarantee of Ukraine's security would be virtually de facto NATO membership. It would obligate us to go to war with Russia if Russia invaded Ukraine again. Any future U.S. military intervention in Ukraine would require us to use some NATO nations as staging areas, just as we're doing now only more so. A NATO guarantee of Ukraine's security would be de facto NATO membership. Putin fiercely rejects either option, especially the latter option, as do most average Russians.

Yet, one certainly cannot blame Zelensky for wanting some kind of credible security guarantee, given Putin's track record of violating agreements.

I am not comfortable with Trump's posturing on Ukraine, especially his idiotic statement that Ukraine started the war. However, I recognize this may be a negotiating tactic to allow Putin to save some face while denying him control of most/all of Ukraine. I certainly hope that's what it is. If Trump truly believes that Ukraine started the war, he is horribly misinformed and is peddling Russian propaganda.

I also recognize that there is strong pro-Russian sentiment in three of Ukraine's eastern provinces (Kharkiv, Luhansk, and Donetsk), and that a peace deal may need to include ceding some territory in those provinces.

A few days ago, Trump told England's prime minister that Putin was willing to agree to a European peacekeeping force in Ukraine as part of a peace deal. If that's true, that could be significant, depending on the size and duration of the peacekeeping force.

I want a peace deal that gives Ukraine long-term independence and that permanently halts Russian interference in Ukraine's internal affairs. I would strongly prefer that Ukraine not be required to cede any territory. However, I could accept ceding some territory in the three eastern provinces if doing so permanently ended Russian efforts to topple Ukraine and gave Ukraine long-term independence.

I think it is too early to be forming firm, final opinions about the Ukraine negotiations. We need details about the various peace-deal proposals. Let's see where the negotiations go and what the final terms end up being.

If Trump does end up selling out Ukraine, I will never cease to criticize him for doing so. I have dear friends in Ukraine. But, if Trump ends up preserving Ukraine's long-term independence and puts an end to Russian interference in Ukraine, I will gladly congratulate him for doing so.
I agree with your assessment of the situation

But the democrats, euros, and domestic opponents of trump are demanding that the war continue

All three groups are being unreasonable

And there is no talking them out of it
 
Actually, NATO attacked Russia first. But anyway, NATO have only two basic choices - escalate or deescalate. Russia is ready to both.


I guess when you do not have individual freedom and live without that essential nourishment to being fully human you cannot understand why people that have it would want to defend it. I’m not sorry for you, because it is you who are the cowards ~ you deserve what you get.

 
Ukraine is nothing and I mean nothing like Afghanistan is right now.


with respect to women’s rights to abortion, Texas, Florida and Missouri run by white Christian Taliban are states that treat women like the Afghanistan Taliban do.
You're an idiot...just saying!
 
I agree with your assessment of the situation

But the democrats, euros, and domestic opponents of trump are demanding that the war continue

All three groups are being unreasonable

And there is no talking them out of it

Again, it amuses me that you think that Taiwan should be defended to the end of the world (even though we don't recognize it as a country) but you think that Ukraine should make concessions to Putin even though we promised to protect them in the 1994 nuclear accord.
 
Again, it amuses me that you think that Taiwan should be defended to the end of the world (even though we don't recognize it as a country) but you think that Ukraine should make concessions to Putin even though we promised to protect them in the 1994 nuclear accord.
Taiwan is far more important to America’s national interest than Ukraine

I’m not indifferent to the suffering of the Ukraines

But china is a greater threat to peace and freedom than russia is

Taiwan must not fall under communist china control
 
Taiwan is far more important to America’s national interest than Ukraine

I’m not indifferent to the suffering of the Ukraines

But china is a greater threat to peace and freedom than russia is

Taiwan must not fall under communist china control

Ukraine is known as the breadbasket of Europe because of vast quantities of wheat grown there.

Russian in control of a major component of Europe's food supply? Ya, nothing could go wrong with that.

WW
 
Ukraine is known as the breadbasket of Europe because of vast quantities of wheat grown there.

Russian in control of a major component of Europe's food supply? Ya, nothing could go wrong with that.

WW
Russia will not control all of Ukraine if the war ends now
 
I am glad my Republican senator in Congress , Don Bacon said , " A bad day for America's foreign Policy.
What every Republican senator knows in their heart and Senator Don Bacon knows in his heart to be true, but merely speaks words, but is too cowardly to take action in my opinion is a worm. A worm underneath Donald Trump‘s boot.

It would only take two Republican senators to announce their caucusing with the Democrats and we could stop this bullshit right now. We could scare the shit out of Putin and he would realize he needs to withdraw and peace will come sooner real peace piece that protects Ukraine as a sovereign free all in the cause of western liberal democracy.


I’m sick of hearing about republican senators who speak up. It means nothing except that the Republican party is a quisling following Putin to authoritarian dictatorship of the world.

Trump’s family gets to be one of three equal rulers of the world.under a tripart nuclear power agreement

There will be three kingdoms under one common nuclear umbrella.

China, Russia, and the United States. And there will be peace in the world because Elon Musk will guarantee it based on algorithms and his IT religion..

Putin gets Europe and Africa

Xi Jinping gers Asia and the South Pacific

Trumps get the western hemisphere, the entire New World, including Canada Greenlandagreement, and the Panama Canal

The only thing missing will be individual freedom under s constitution that protects individuals right of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness outside of the rules of the three supreme special families of the world.
 
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On one side, we have many conservatives accusing Zelensky of rejecting peace and being unreasonable because he wants a permanent peace deal that includes a security guarantee and because he does not want to cede any territory. On another side, we have many liberals accusing Trump of siding with Putin and selling out Ukraine because he is not agreeing to all of Zelensky's terms. Could a realistic, fair assessment be somewhere between these two extremes?

A unilateral U.S. guarantee of Ukraine's security would be virtually de facto NATO membership. It would obligate us to go to war with Russia if Russia invaded Ukraine again. Any future U.S. military intervention in Ukraine would require us to use some NATO nations as staging areas, just as we're doing now only more so. A NATO guarantee of Ukraine's security would be de facto NATO membership. Putin fiercely rejects either option, especially the latter option, as do most average Russians.

Yet, one certainly cannot blame Zelensky for wanting some kind of credible security guarantee, given Putin's track record of violating agreements.

I am not comfortable with Trump's posturing on Ukraine, especially his idiotic statement that Ukraine started the war. However, I recognize this may be a negotiating tactic to allow Putin to save some face while denying him control of most/all of Ukraine. I certainly hope that's what it is. If Trump truly believes that Ukraine started the war, he is horribly misinformed and is peddling Russian propaganda.

I also recognize that there is strong pro-Russian sentiment in three of Ukraine's eastern provinces (Kharkiv, Luhansk, and Donetsk), and that a peace deal may need to include ceding some territory in those provinces.

A few days ago, Trump told England's prime minister that Putin was willing to agree to a European peacekeeping force in Ukraine as part of a peace deal. If that's true, that could be significant, depending on the size and duration of the peacekeeping force.

I want a peace deal that gives Ukraine long-term independence and that permanently halts Russian interference in Ukraine's internal affairs. I would strongly prefer that Ukraine not be required to cede any territory. However, I could accept ceding some territory in the three eastern provinces if doing so permanently ended Russian efforts to topple Ukraine and gave Ukraine long-term independence.

I think it is too early to be forming firm, final opinions about the Ukraine negotiations. We need details about the various peace-deal proposals. Let's see where the negotiations go and what the final terms end up being.

If Trump does end up selling out Ukraine, I will never cease to criticize him for doing so. I have dear friends in Ukraine. But, if Trump ends up preserving Ukraine's long-term independence and puts an end to Russian interference in Ukraine, I will gladly congratulate him for doing so.
I am close to you on the same thinking...

Ukrainians are still the slim majority in the Donbas... I woul;d suggest spliting it and doing land swaps to allow Russians on one side and Ukrainians on the other...

I think Crimea belongs to the Tar Tar , it is their homeland and USSR really did was ethic cleansing... I would return to Ukraine so they can let the Tar Tars back to their homeland.

The Budapest Memorandum was meant to be their Security Guarantee... Have we forgotten this?

Zelensky was not only getting screwed by Russia in the deal but also USA.
 
Russia will not control all of Ukraine if the war ends now

Correct, give them the land they already conquered through invasion.

Give them a few years to rearm and restock, then on to Invasion Part II.

(Well actually that would be invasion Part III as they already invaded Ukraine once and conquered the Crimea Peninsula, Part II was invading this time. So ya, Part III.)

WW
 
Correct, give them the land they already conquered through invasion.

Give them a few years to rearm and restock, then on to Invasion Part II.

(Well actually that would be invasion Part III as they already invaded Ukraine once and conquered the Crimea Peninsula, Part II was invading this time. So ya, Part III.)

WW
I understand the danger of a Munich style attempt to deter a dictator through appeasement

But the situation in Ukraine is not the same as Czechoslovakia in 1939

Hitler conquered the Czechs without fire a shot

And he expected to do the same in Poland

Russia otoh has struggled and made little headway in Ukraine while lising a million soldiers killed and many more crippled

I believe Putin will think twice before repeating that mistake again
 
Trump is five steps ahead of you leftwingers. He appears tough on Zelensky and easy on Putin, but notice he isn't giving Russia anything. In the end, Trump will have achieved peace. He knows exactly what he's doing. This is why he is the top negotiator in the world. It's why he was elected president three times despite a hostile media.
Are you serious...

After all this time, you think Trump has a clue how to behave in front of Putin...

Putin is going to royally butt fuck America and the MAGA will cheer him on...

Trump is not smart especially in foreign affairs... His first Sec of State called him a 'fucking moron'.

EU & NATO leaders laugh at him behind his back.. He is basically lazy and doesn't understand the background or the player in international diplomacy..
 
I understand the danger of a Munich style attempt to deter a dictator through appeasement

But the situation in Ukraine is not the same as Czechoslovakia in 1939

Hitler conquered the Czechs without fire a shot

And he expected to do the same in Poland

Russia otoh has struggled and made little headway in Ukraine while lising a million soldiers killed and many more crippled

I believe Putin will think twice before repeating that mistake again

Peace in our time!

Right.

Oh, he invaded. Let him keep what he took now and all will be good.

WW
 
Ukraine is nothing and I mean nothing like Afghanistan is right now.


with respect to women’s rights to abortion, Texas, Florida and Missouri run by white Christian Taliban are states that treat women like the Afghanistan Taliban do.
Ukraine really wants to join the EU as that has so many ways of weeding out corruption, especially if the country is willing.

When you get rid of corruption, prosperity thrives... This is Putin's biggest fear, NATO isn't actually a threat, EU is very much the major threat. He can call NATO evil and it has a looming presence, it is a easy sell...
But EU is the silent killer, his own people will see Ukraine getting richer (Polish was half as wealthy as Russian before joining EU, now it is double.). How do you explain that to your own people?
 
I understand the danger of a Munich style attempt to deter a dictator through appeasement

But the situation in Ukraine is not the same as Czechoslovakia in 1939

Hitler conquered the Czechs without fire a shot

And he expected to do the same in Poland

Russia otoh has struggled and made little headway in Ukraine while lising a million soldiers killed and many more crippled

I believe Putin will think twice before repeating that mistake again
Not really...

Second time he know US won't help....

He needs to be put back in his place and anyone who wants can join NATO... Fuck him, he has to stop interfering in other sovereign nations. USSR is finished, gone, bye....
 
Peace in our time!
Right.
Oh, he invaded. Let him keep what he took now and all will be good.

WW
I cant promise you that Ukraine will not lose any territory by accepting a peace deal

But it appears that without full scale intervention and war by NATO Ukraine will lose more
 
Taiwan is far more important to America’s national interest than Ukraine

I’m not indifferent to the suffering of the Ukraines

But china is a greater threat to peace and freedom than russia is

Taiwan must not fall under communist china control
Then why does Trump keep on giving China wins?
 
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