Let us discuss this openly... What exactly IS the "two states solution"?

[Shusha]

No, I don't think conversion (forced or unforced) is dispossession, if the converted are not dispossessed of their land, livelihood, etc.. The Christians of Palestine that converted to Islam under Muslim rule were not dispossessed.

Then the Palestinians are not being dispossessed now. They are just under Jewish rule and you have no complaint against Israel.

 

[montelatici]

No, I don't think conversion (forced or unforced) is dispossession, if the converted are not dispossessed of their land, livelihood, etc.. The Christians of Palestine that converted to Islam under Muslim rule were not dispossessed.

Then the Palestinians are not being dispossessed now. They are just under Jewish rule and you have no complaint against Israel.

Many of the Palestinians that were dispossessed and ethnically cleansed are not in the WB, Gaza or Jerusalem and lost their homes and land, hence dispossessed. And a large number of Muslims and Christians who lost their homes and land to Jews, hence dispossessed, now live in those areas. Their homes and lands are in what is now called Israel.

 

[abu afak]

No, I don't think conversion (forced or unforced) is dispossession, if the converted are not dispossessed of their land, livelihood, etc.. The Christians of Palestine that converted to Islam under Muslim rule were not dispossessed.

Then the Palestinians are not being dispossessed now. They are just under Jewish rule and you have no complaint against Israel.

The Partition entailed NOT a single Arab having to move. Not one.
Alas....
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[montelatici]

No, I don't think conversion (forced or unforced) is dispossession, if the converted are not dispossessed of their land, livelihood, etc.. The Christians of Palestine that converted to Islam under Muslim rule were not dispossessed.

Then the Palestinians are not being dispossessed now. They are just under Jewish rule and you have no complaint against Israel.

The Partition entailed NOT a single Arab having to move. Not one.
Alas....
`

You're right, Hagganah and Irgun did.

"British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948
Declassified UK reports document build-up of conflict, Jewish public's endorsement of their leaders' pro-terrorist stance and declare armies of Arab states were Palestinians' 'only hope'

The documents, which have a remarkable contemporary resonance, reveal how British officials looked on as Jewish settlers took over more and more Arab land.

In the weeks leading up to the partition of Palestine in 1948, when Britain gave up its UN mandate, Jewish terrorist groups were mounting increasing attacks ....................
After an increase in violent attacks by the militant Zionists of the Stern group and Irgun, British officials reported later in 1946: "Arab leaders appear to be still disposed to defer active opposition so long as a chance of a political decision acceptable to Arab interests exists." But they warned: "There is a real danger lest any further Jewish provocation may result in isolated acts of retaliation spreading inevitably to wider Arab-Jewish clashes".


British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

 

[abu afak]

You're right, Hagganah and Irgun did.
British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948
Declassified UK reports document build-up of conflict, Jewish public's endorsement of their leaders' pro-terrorist stance and declare armies of Arab states were Palestinians' 'only hope'...
In the weeks leading up to the partition of Palestine in 1948, when Britain gave up its UN mandate, Jewish terrorist groups were mounting increasing attacks.........
After an increase in violent attacks by the militant Zionists of the Stern group and Irgun, British officials reported later in 1946: "Arab leaders appear to be still disposed to defer active opposition so long as a chance of a political decision acceptable to Arab interests exists." But they warned: "There is a real danger lest any further Jewish provocation may result in isolated acts of retaliation spreading inevitably to wider Arab-Jewish clashes".
British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

LOL
Richard Norton-Williams in Notoriously anti-Israel al-Guardian.
BUSTED

Jewish “terrorists” vs Arab “fighters”: An open letter to the Guardian’s Richard Norton-Taylor
BY ADAM LEVICK ON APRIL 29, 2013

...Another SEVERELY ERRONEOUS statement in your article was this:

“In the weeks leading up to the partition of Palestine in 1948, when Britain gave up its UN mandate, Jewish terrorist groups were mounting increasing attacks on UK forces and Arab fighters, the Colonial Office papers show.”

It is not clear what time period is meant here. If the reference is prior to November 29, 1947 (the UN Partition Plan vote) then it is true that some Jews did engage in “terrorism” and Jewish forces did attack British forces (which the British always called “terrorism” even the targets were legitimate military targets and no British soldiers were killed). But there was also plenty of Arab terrorism, meaning the random murder of unarmed Jews and Britons that had occurred during the same time. The British, too, engaged in “terrorism” of their own from time to time (see the book “Major Farran’s Hat“). Singling Jews out as “terrorists” is grossly misleading.

If the reference is to the period between November 29, 1947 and May 15, 1948, then the statement is a Flat-Out Lie.
Arab forces attacked Jews all across Palestine the Very Next Day after the UN Vote. Dozens of Jews were killed immediately, the Jews tried to organize to defend themselves. Since the British were leaving, and the Jews had their hands full just protecting themselves from the Arabs, all anti-British operations ceased. I am not aware of a single significant incident of Jews attacking Britons during this time period.

The British, on the other hand, continued to severely oppress the Jews and prevent them from acquiring the necessary arms to defend themselves. Moreover, many Britons openly aligned themselves with Arabs and some participated in anti-Jewish terror (e.g, the February, 1948 bombing of Ben Yehudah Street in Jerusalem).

The very characterization of Jews as “terrorists” and the Arabs as “fighters” when it was Arab terrorist violence that launched the 1947-48 war to start with reveals a deep prejudice that belies any semblance of objective reporting.".."​

Mont-al-Cheati you Dishonest POS, you STILL CAN'T debate me!
All you do is Misrepresent source material, hoping others won't bother...
or post anti-Israel BS from al-Guardian.

abu afak/mbig

 

[teddyearp]

Since the people that practiced Judaism (or other religions) in Roman Palestine converted to Christianity after 380 AD, and subsequently most to Islam, they continued to live in (and own) the same land, so no, they were not dispossessed.

 

[teddyearp]

Very few were dispossessed as a percentage of the population. The highest estimate, by Flavius Josephus (a Romanized Jewish historian) is 90,000, out of a population of over a million

Um, no:

In 70, the Romans destroyed the Second Temple in Jerusalem. A large part of the Jewish population was either massacred or exiled. In Judea, the area near present day Israel, 25% of the Jewish population was exterminated and 10% enslaved. Jews became a minority in their own land.

Many Jews fled to Mesopotamia, which is modern Iraq, and the rest fled to lands around the Mediterranean, presently known as southeastern Spain, southern France, southern Italy, Greece, Cyprus, and Turkey. Later, the Jews began to head north (to present day northern France, Belgium, Holland, and Germany, Austria, Bulgaria, Bosnia) and northern Africa (Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco).

By 300, about three million Jews had settled in most parts of the Roman Empire, except Britain. A million lived west of Macedonia (Greece) with the majority settling throughout Asia Minor and east to the Caspian Sea and the Persian Gulf. Jews lived as far north as Cologne, Germany.

Link: Jewish Displacement

And hey, monti, that is from a university.

 

[montelatici]

You're right, Hagganah and Irgun did.
British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948
Declassified UK reports document build-up of conflict, Jewish public's endorsement of their leaders' pro-terrorist stance and declare armies of Arab states were Palestinians' 'only hope'...
In the weeks leading up to the partition of Palestine in 1948, when Britain gave up its UN mandate, Jewish terrorist groups were mounting increasing attacks.........
After an increase in violent attacks by the militant Zionists of the Stern group and Irgun, British officials reported later in 1946: "Arab leaders appear to be still disposed to defer active opposition so long as a chance of a political decision acceptable to Arab interests exists." But they warned: "There is a real danger lest any further Jewish provocation may result in isolated acts of retaliation spreading inevitably to wider Arab-Jewish clashes".
British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

LOL
Richard Norton-Williams in Notoriously anti-Israel al-Guardian.
BUSTED

Jewish “terrorists” vs Arab “fighters”: An open letter to the Guardian’s Richard Norton-Taylor
BY ADAM LEVICK ON APRIL 29, 2013

...Another SEVERELY ERRONEOUS statement in your article was this:

“In the weeks leading up to the partition of Palestine in 1948, when Britain gave up its UN mandate, Jewish terrorist groups were mounting increasing attacks on UK forces and Arab fighters, the Colonial Office papers show.”

It is not clear what time period is meant here. If the reference is prior to November 29, 1947 (the UN Partition Plan vote) then it is true that some Jews did engage in “terrorism” and Jewish forces did attack British forces (which the British always called “terrorism” even the targets were legitimate military targets and no British soldiers were killed). But there was also plenty of Arab terrorism, meaning the random murder of unarmed Jews and Britons that had occurred during the same time. The British, too, engaged in “terrorism” of their own from time to time (see the book “Major Farran’s Hat“). Singling Jews out as “terrorists” is grossly misleading.

If the reference is to the period between November 29, 1947 and May 15, 1948, then the statement is a Flat-Out Lie.
Arab forces attacked Jews all across Palestine the Very Next Day after the UN Vote. Dozens of Jews were killed immediately, the Jews tried to organize to defend themselves. Since the British were leaving, and the Jews had their hands full just protecting themselves from the Arabs, all anti-British operations ceased. I am not aware of a single significant incident of Jews attacking Britons during this time period.

The British, on the other hand, continued to severely oppress the Jews and prevent them from acquiring the necessary arms to defend themselves. Moreover, many Britons openly aligned themselves with Arabs and some participated in anti-Jewish terror (e.g, the February, 1948 bombing of Ben Yehudah Street in Jerusalem).

The very characterization of Jews as “terrorists” and the Arabs as “fighters” when it was Arab terrorist violence that launched the 1947-48 war to start with reveals a deep prejudice that belies any semblance of objective reporting.".."​

Mont-al-Cheati you Dishonest POS, you STILL CAN'T debate me!
All you do is Misrepresent source material, hoping others won't bother...
or post anti-Israel BS from al-Guardian.

abu afak/mbig

You post propaganda and I post fact. That's the difference. You post the writings of a Hasbara shill and I post excerpts from British intelligence reports that were recently declassified.

You will always lose because you are a dimwit.

 

[montelatici]

Very few were dispossessed as a percentage of the population. The highest estimate, by Flavius Josephus (a Romanized Jewish historian) is 90,000, out of a population of over a million

Um, no:

In 70, the Romans destroyed the Second Temple in Jerusalem. A large part of the Jewish population was either massacred or exiled. In Judea, the area near present day Israel, 25% of the Jewish population was exterminated and 10% enslaved. Jews became a minority in their own land.

Many Jews fled to Mesopotamia, which is modern Iraq, and the rest fled to lands around the Mediterranean, presently known as southeastern Spain, southern France, southern Italy, Greece, Cyprus, and Turkey. Later, the Jews began to head north (to present day northern France, Belgium, Holland, and Germany, Austria, Bulgaria, Bosnia) and northern Africa (Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco).

By 300, about three million Jews had settled in most parts of the Roman Empire, except Britain. A million lived west of Macedonia (Greece) with the majority settling throughout Asia Minor and east to the Caspian Sea and the Persian Gulf. Jews lived as far north as Cologne, Germany.

Link: Jewish Displacement

And hey, monti, that is from a university.

"A teacher's guide to the Holocaust" is a university? Sounds more like a Hasbara teaching tool to me. And, it is certainly bullshit given what has been written by serious historians writing contemporaneously, e.g. Flavius Josephus. But then, all you have ever read and believed is propaganda.

 

[montelatici]

You're right, Hagganah and Irgun did.
British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948
Declassified UK reports document build-up of conflict, Jewish public's endorsement of their leaders' pro-terrorist stance and declare armies of Arab states were Palestinians' 'only hope'...
In the weeks leading up to the partition of Palestine in 1948, when Britain gave up its UN mandate, Jewish terrorist groups were mounting increasing attacks.........
After an increase in violent attacks by the militant Zionists of the Stern group and Irgun, British officials reported later in 1946: "Arab leaders appear to be still disposed to defer active opposition so long as a chance of a political decision acceptable to Arab interests exists." But they warned: "There is a real danger lest any further Jewish provocation may result in isolated acts of retaliation spreading inevitably to wider Arab-Jewish clashes".
British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

LOL
Richard Norton-Williams in Notoriously anti-Israel al-Guardian.
BUSTED

Jewish “terrorists” vs Arab “fighters”: An open letter to the Guardian’s Richard Norton-Taylor
BY ADAM LEVICK ON APRIL 29, 2013

...Another SEVERELY ERRONEOUS statement in your article was this:

“In the weeks leading up to the partition of Palestine in 1948, when Britain gave up its UN mandate, Jewish terrorist groups were mounting increasing attacks on UK forces and Arab fighters, the Colonial Office papers show.”

It is not clear what time period is meant here. If the reference is prior to November 29, 1947 (the UN Partition Plan vote) then it is true that some Jews did engage in “terrorism” and Jewish forces did attack British forces (which the British always called “terrorism” even the targets were legitimate military targets and no British soldiers were killed). But there was also plenty of Arab terrorism, meaning the random murder of unarmed Jews and Britons that had occurred during the same time. The British, too, engaged in “terrorism” of their own from time to time (see the book “Major Farran’s Hat“). Singling Jews out as “terrorists” is grossly misleading.

If the reference is to the period between November 29, 1947 and May 15, 1948, then the statement is a Flat-Out Lie.
Arab forces attacked Jews all across Palestine the Very Next Day after the UN Vote. Dozens of Jews were killed immediately, the Jews tried to organize to defend themselves. Since the British were leaving, and the Jews had their hands full just protecting themselves from the Arabs, all anti-British operations ceased. I am not aware of a single significant incident of Jews attacking Britons during this time period.

The British, on the other hand, continued to severely oppress the Jews and prevent them from acquiring the necessary arms to defend themselves. Moreover, many Britons openly aligned themselves with Arabs and some participated in anti-Jewish terror (e.g, the February, 1948 bombing of Ben Yehudah Street in Jerusalem).

The very characterization of Jews as “terrorists” and the Arabs as “fighters” when it was Arab terrorist violence that launched the 1947-48 war to start with reveals a deep prejudice that belies any semblance of objective reporting.".."​

Mont-al-Cheati you Dishonest POS, you STILL CAN'T debate me!
All you do is Misrepresent source material, hoping others won't bother...
or post anti-Israel BS from al-Guardian.

abu afak/mbig

I will always win against idiots like you, because you post Hasbara propaganda opinion pieces and I post facts, e.g. British Intelligence reports. Besides, you are a moron too.

It was Jew terrorist violence that started the war. The siege of Haifa for example. Haifa was put under seige by the Jews weeks or months before partition and was forced to surrender to the Jew terrorist forces before partition and before the Israel's declaration of independence. That's just a fact. You haven't got any facts, just propaganda moron.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Lipush, a two state solution is no longer possible without ethnic cleansing of Jews or non-Jews. It will no longer work. A single state solution is now the only solution.

I agree. When will the Arab Muslims be leaving?

 

[montelatici]

Lipush, a two state solution is no longer possible without ethnic cleansing of Jews or non-Jews. It will no longer work. A single state solution is now the only solution.

I agree. When will the Arab Muslims be leaving?

The Muslims and Christians won't be leaving. Time is on their side demographically. There are no large Jewish populations left except the U.S., and American Jews won't immigrate en-masse to Israel.

 

[teddyearp]

"A teacher's guide to the Holocaust" is a university?

Did you read the linked information? Did you read the part at the very bottom?

College of Education, University of South Florida © 1997-2013.

Sounds more like a Hasbara teaching tool to me. And, it is certainly bullshit given what has been written by serious historians writing contemporaneously, e.g. Flavius Josephus. But then, all you have ever read and believed is propaganda.

You know, I try my hardest not to stoop to your very low level of the endless name calling, but check it out you low life lying son of a bitch mother fucking lying ass photoshop your 'serious historian' and 'source document' bitch wizard of OZ scum.

It says University of South Florida, you fuck face mother fucker. Liar. Fucker.

 

[teddyearp]

<snip>idiots like you,<snip>Besides, you are a moron too.<snip>You haven't got any facts, just propaganda moron.

This is you looking in the mirror.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You're right, Hagganah and Irgun did.
British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948
Declassified UK reports document build-up of conflict, Jewish public's endorsement of their leaders' pro-terrorist stance and declare armies of Arab states were Palestinians' 'only hope'...
In the weeks leading up to the partition of Palestine in 1948, when Britain gave up its UN mandate, Jewish terrorist groups were mounting increasing attacks.........
After an increase in violent attacks by the militant Zionists of the Stern group and Irgun, British officials reported later in 1946: "Arab leaders appear to be still disposed to defer active opposition so long as a chance of a political decision acceptable to Arab interests exists." But they warned: "There is a real danger lest any further Jewish provocation may result in isolated acts of retaliation spreading inevitably to wider Arab-Jewish clashes".
British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

LOL
Richard Norton-Williams in Notoriously anti-Israel al-Guardian.
BUSTED

Jewish “terrorists” vs Arab “fighters”: An open letter to the Guardian’s Richard Norton-Taylor
BY ADAM LEVICK ON APRIL 29, 2013

...Another SEVERELY ERRONEOUS statement in your article was this:

“In the weeks leading up to the partition of Palestine in 1948, when Britain gave up its UN mandate, Jewish terrorist groups were mounting increasing attacks on UK forces and Arab fighters, the Colonial Office papers show.”

It is not clear what time period is meant here. If the reference is prior to November 29, 1947 (the UN Partition Plan vote) then it is true that some Jews did engage in “terrorism” and Jewish forces did attack British forces (which the British always called “terrorism” even the targets were legitimate military targets and no British soldiers were killed). But there was also plenty of Arab terrorism, meaning the random murder of unarmed Jews and Britons that had occurred during the same time. The British, too, engaged in “terrorism” of their own from time to time (see the book “Major Farran’s Hat“). Singling Jews out as “terrorists” is grossly misleading.

If the reference is to the period between November 29, 1947 and May 15, 1948, then the statement is a Flat-Out Lie.
Arab forces attacked Jews all across Palestine the Very Next Day after the UN Vote. Dozens of Jews were killed immediately, the Jews tried to organize to defend themselves. Since the British were leaving, and the Jews had their hands full just protecting themselves from the Arabs, all anti-British operations ceased. I am not aware of a single significant incident of Jews attacking Britons during this time period.

The British, on the other hand, continued to severely oppress the Jews and prevent them from acquiring the necessary arms to defend themselves. Moreover, many Britons openly aligned themselves with Arabs and some participated in anti-Jewish terror (e.g, the February, 1948 bombing of Ben Yehudah Street in Jerusalem).

The very characterization of Jews as “terrorists” and the Arabs as “fighters” when it was Arab terrorist violence that launched the 1947-48 war to start with reveals a deep prejudice that belies any semblance of objective reporting.".."​

Mont-al-Cheati you Dishonest POS, you STILL CAN'T debate me!
All you do is Misrepresent source material, hoping others won't bother...
or post anti-Israel BS from al-Guardian.

abu afak/mbig

The bottom line is that "terrorist" is a political name calling thing.

 

[yiostheoy]

I'm ready to open this up with the Pro-Palestinians on this board who are willing to have a logal discussion, and those who are not haters who want Israel in the sea.

Let us talk this rationally. What exactly IS the two states solution? One for Israel and one for the Palestinians? What will be the borders of such states?

Can you openly tell me what is the benefit of the so called 67 lines? what good there is in them? and why they are better than a 1 state solution?

Please elaborate. Let us discuss this rationally. No name calling and cusses.

I am guessing that the Palestinians want their own independent nation too.

I am guessing they want all of the "occupied lands" back.

I would be in favor of giving them the far south around Hebron.

That would be all I would give them.

But it will probably never happen.

DJ Trump may craft a deal that neither one likes -- the Israeli's nor the Palestinians.

 

[teddyearp]

"A teacher's guide to the Holocaust" is a university?

Did you read the linked information? Did you read the part at the very bottom?

College of Education, University of South Florida © 1997-2013.

Well, monti? What about that for a university?


















Crickets . . . . . .

 

[montelatici]

"A teacher's guide to the Holocaust" is a university?

Did you read the linked information? Did you read the part at the very bottom?

College of Education, University of South Florida © 1997-2013.

Sounds more like a Hasbara teaching tool to me. And, it is certainly bullshit given what has been written by serious historians writing contemporaneously, e.g. Flavius Josephus. But then, all you have ever read and believed is propaganda.

You know, I try my hardest not to stoop to your very low level of the endless name calling, but check it out you low life lying son of a bitch mother fucking lying ass photoshop your 'serious historian' and 'source document' bitch wizard of OZ scum.

It says University of South Florida, you fuck face mother fucker. Liar. Fucker.

Oh dear, the little punk is overwhelmed. I should have known that the facts were getting to you after you decided to change your signature in my honor.

But, rather than a propagandistic children's teacher's guide, how about some facts from an historian.

"The Myth of the Jewish Exile from the Land of Israel"

Project MUSE - The Myth of the Jewish Exile from the Land of Israel: A Demonstration of Irenic Scholarship

 

[teddyearp]

Oh dear, the little punk is overwhelmed. I should have known that the facts were getting to you after you decided to change your signature in my honor.

But, rather than a propagandistic children's teacher's guide, how about some facts from an historian.

"The Myth of the Jewish Exile from the Land of Israel"

Project MUSE - The Myth of the Jewish Exile from the Land of Israel: A Demonstration of Irenic Scholarship

This road runs both ways, pal. First you claimed that my source was not from any institute of higher learning, and then when confronted with the fact that it indeed is, instead of admitting your fault (which is why I created my sig in your dis-honor to warn the world that you are a self-centered, self-important, narcissistic, pompous person), you then impugn it calling it propagandist (the proper term, BTW).

So let's take a look at your 'historian'. Yes, he is a Zionist. And yes, he feels as though the creation of the state of Israel was at the expense of some of the Arab/Muslums that now call themselves Palestinians. And on that point, I have said before and will say again now, in part I do agree. But getting off on a tangent.

Your 'historian' says this:

Even as a "profession," history is still a tool that advances national and particularistic agendas, and these do not provide the cultural and mental equipment needed for the establishment of an era of reconciliation and peace. For that reason, I prefer to assign another task to historical studies: to construct histories that educate toward self-criticism and the tolerance of conflicting national narratives.

Now we all know where you are coming from for sure. As shown in all your posts, your 'source' documents, your photoshopped documents, etc. You are 'constructing' a history that fits your narrative and only use and 'construct' documents that support it. All the while stating that:

 

[montelatici]

Oh dear, the little punk is overwhelmed. I should have known that the facts were getting to you after you decided to change your signature in my honor.

But, rather than a propagandistic children's teacher's guide, how about some facts from an historian.

"The Myth of the Jewish Exile from the Land of Israel"

Project MUSE - The Myth of the Jewish Exile from the Land of Israel: A Demonstration of Irenic Scholarship

This road runs both ways, pal. First you claimed that my source was not from any institute of higher learning, and then when confronted with the fact that it indeed is, instead of admitting your fault (which is why I created my sig in your dis-honor to warn the world that you are a self-centered, self-important, narcissistic, pompous person), you then impugn it calling it propagandist (the proper term, BTW).

So let's take a look at your 'historian'. Yes, he is a Zionist. And yes, he feels as though the creation of the state of Israel was at the expense of some of the Arab/Muslums that now call themselves Palestinians. And on that point, I have said before and will say again now, in part I do agree. But getting off on a tangent.

Your 'historian' says this:

Even as a "profession," history is still a tool that advances national and particularistic agendas, and these do not provide the cultural and mental equipment needed for the establishment of an era of reconciliation and peace. For that reason, I prefer to assign another task to historical studies: to construct histories that educate toward self-criticism and the tolerance of conflicting national narratives.

Now we all know where you are coming from for sure. As shown in all your posts, your 'source' documents, your photoshopped documents, etc. You are 'constructing' a history that fits your narrative and only use and 'construct' documents that support it. All the while stating that:

You are a typical Hasbara nut. Nothing was "photoshopped" adjoining pages were aligned on charts that went across two pages as requested by a Zionist nutter, similar to you, and the source document was provided as a link with the page numbers.

I provide source documents that describe fact, not the Zionist myth that you and your moronic associates attempt to foist on others.

The basis of your myth is so ridiculously false, I wonder why we go beyond the Zionist claim that Palestine was devoid of people when the European Zionists began to colonize the territory.