Let us discuss this openly... What exactly IS the "two states solution"?

[abu afak]

That's funny, cause:
Baltimore Sun:
Palestinians enjoy the weekend at the beach of Gaza City: June 20, 2014.

 

[Shusha]

Not addressing my point. Only adding to the stupidity and embarrassment.

 

[montelatici]

That's funny, cause:
Baltimore Sun:
Palestinians enjoy the weekend at the beach of Gaza City: June 20, 2014.

You are so damn stupid. You actually put a probably fake photo taken before Israel attacked Gaza, which was July 8, 2014. Reamed again. A glutton for punishment.

By the way, here what it really looks like.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Comparing Areas A and B to the Warsaw Ghetto is wrong both morally and factually. The Warsaw Ghetto was not just a restriction on movement into and out of a specific territory -- the conditions of the Ghetto were not sufficient to sustain life. Making such an egregious and inappropriate comparison is nothing more than a demonization of Israel.

The you need to read up. Israel cuts farm land off from villages leaving them without subsistence.

Seriously? You are trying to sell me on the idea that conditions in the "West Bank" are inadequate to sustain life and that there is, therefore, a widespread loss of life?

You can't possibly be stupid enough to believe that.

Qalqilyah's population doubled between 1997 and 2007. It has 145 grocery stores, 35 produce stores, 18 bakeries, 18 butcheries and a ZOO! The city is known for its citrus crops and 25% of the population works in the agriculture industry.

Come on. Bring your game up. This is embarrassing.

Civil Administration contractors accompanied by Israeli soldiers uprooted around 250 Palestinian-owned olive trees Sunday near the West Bank city of Qalqilya, as part of a larger plan to build a settler bypass road in the area.

The Nabi Elias bypass road will include the expropriation of 25 acres of Palestinian land — including a total 700 olive trees — belonging to the Palestinian villages of Izbat Tabib, Azzun, and Nabi Elias, just east of Ramallah.

PHOTOS: Israeli authorities uproot olive trees to build settler-only road | +972 Magazine

 

[abu afak]

That's funny, cause:
Baltimore Sun:
Palestinians enjoy the weekend at the beach of Gaza City: June 20, 2014.

You are so damn stupid. You actually put a probably fake photo taken before Israel attacked Gaza, which was July 8, 2014. Reamed again. A glutton for punishment.

By the way, here what it really looks like.

Yes!, That's the Rubble of ONE building photographically Exaggerated by being put in the Foreground, against the Much Wider Backdrop of what is NOT a "Refugee camp". oooops
NOT "starving"
But the world's most CODDLED group.
We can't in good conscience call these people 'refugees' any more, while the rest of the world Has REAL Refugees.

Pressure Points » Ending UNRWA and Advancing Peace
"...Once there were 750,000; now there are Five Million people considered by UNRWA to be “Palestinian refugees.” And
UNRWA is now the Largest UN agency, with a staff of 30,000.
UNHCR Cares for the Rest of the WORLD with about 7,500 personnel!
.....""

Summer Camps considered refugee agency work?
Real refugees are starving worldwide.
Marathons organized by UNRWA schools.
Maybe speak to the Saudis/Gulf States about funding them. The USA/EU can't afford all but dire need these days.
Gaza children run marathon to raise funds for UN summer camps - Haaretz | Israel News

Runners take part in a 10 km race, as part of the second annual Gaza Marathon,
organized by the UNRWA in Khan Younis, in the southern Gaza Strip March 1, 2012.
Reuters.


Meanwhile in ie, Kenya, the world's largest/REAL Refugee camp at 1/2 a Million

Somali boys fetch water from a puddle that formed after rain
at the sprawling Dadaab refugee complex in Kenya, October 2011.
World

Others in Africa are in even worse straights with no agencies/no pictures. UN is too busy demonizing Israel by Pampering "Persecuted-Palestinians into the 4th generation of refugee-hood.

And Allah SnackBar!.. did I NAIL YOU for your DISHONEST and Misleading post about the League of Nations and Article 22!
What a Backfiring Debacle for you Baghdad Bob!
You usually can get away with your DISHONEST BS, but not when I'm around.
`

 

[montelatici]

That's funny, cause:
Baltimore Sun:
Palestinians enjoy the weekend at the beach of Gaza City: June 20, 2014.

You are so damn stupid. You actually put a probably fake photo taken before Israel attacked Gaza, which was July 8, 2014. Reamed again. A glutton for punishment.

By the way, here what it really looks like.

Yes!, That's the Rubble of ONE building photographically Exaggerated by being put in the Foreground, against the Much Wider Backdrop of what is NOT a "Refugee camp". oooops
NOT "starving"
But the world's most CODDLED group.
We can't in good conscience call these people 'refugees' any more, while the rest of the world Has REAL Refugees.

Pressure Points » Ending UNRWA and Advancing Peace
"...Once there were 750,000; now there are Five Million people considered by UNRWA to be “Palestinian refugees.” And
UNRWA is now the Largest UN agency, with a staff of 30,000.
UNHCR Cares for the Rest of the WORLD with about 7,500 personnel!
.....""

Summer Camps considered refugee agency work?
Real refugees are starving worldwide.
Marathons organized by UNRWA schools.
Maybe speak to the Saudis/Gulf States about funding them. The USA/EU can't afford all but dire need these days.
Gaza children run marathon to raise funds for UN summer camps - Haaretz | Israel News

Runners take part in a 10 km race, as part of the second annual Gaza Marathon,
organized by the UNRWA in Khan Younis, in the southern Gaza Strip March 1, 2012.
Reuters.


Meanwhile in ie, Kenya, the world's largest/REAL Refugee camp at 1/2 a Million

Somali boys fetch water from a puddle that formed after rain
at the sprawling Dadaab refugee complex in Kenya, October 2011.
World

Others in Africa are in even worse straights with no agencies/no pictures. UN is too busy demonizing Israel by Pampering "Persecuted-Palestinians into the 4th generation of refugee-hood.

And Allah SnackBar!.. did I NAIL YOU for your DISHONEST and Misleading post about the League of Nations and Article 22!
What a Backfiring Debacle for you Baghdad Bob!
You usually can get away with your DISHONEST BS, but not when I'm around.
`

You are such a fool. You post a phot of Gaza from before the 2014 Israeli attack and you call me a liar. LOL

You are not only a liar, but you are also a fool. Now you think projecting will make you look like less of a fool. There is nothing misleading regarding Article 22. It states what it states you lying moron.

"ARTICLE 22.
To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant."

Don't see anything about inhabitants of Europe, Jew or otherwise.




As far as Gaza, quit lying no one believes you.

http://www.unitar.org/unosat/map/2073


Keep posting moron, you'll get reamed every time, you are just too stupid to lie without getting caught immediately.

 

[teddyearp]

Britain could not promise that land to anyone. It was not theirs to give away. And they did not.

Oh, but they could. Now if the Ottomans had NOT entered WWI on the side of the Germans, no. But they did. And they lost. The British and French won. Spoils of war gave them every right, supported by the League of Nations and subsequent agreement says so.

 

[teddyearp]

You stupid, dishonest, lying asshole

Again, following the electronic intifada troll docrine of intimidation and name calling.

The Covenant of the League of Nations was signed before the Mandate was signed.

Therefore the Mandate was a later agreement and binding.

 

[teddyearp]

You got reamed again because you failed to read the Covenant and are stupid.

Yup, posting in enlarged and bold font and name calling proves that one is smarter than anyone else, lest we forget:

 

[teddyearp]

These idiots just don't know what they are talking about and are lying pieces of crap that get reamed every time they post their nonsense.

Hmm, how many points did you hit now in the electronic intifada troll list?

 

[Shusha]

Comparing Areas A and B to the Warsaw Ghetto is wrong both morally and factually. The Warsaw Ghetto was not just a restriction on movement into and out of a specific territory -- the conditions of the Ghetto were not sufficient to sustain life. Making such an egregious and inappropriate comparison is nothing more than a demonization of Israel.

The you need to read up. Israel cuts farm land off from villages leaving them without subsistence.

Seriously? You are trying to sell me on the idea that conditions in the "West Bank" are inadequate to sustain life and that there is, therefore, a widespread loss of life?

You can't possibly be stupid enough to believe that.

Qalqilyah's population doubled between 1997 and 2007. It has 145 grocery stores, 35 produce stores, 18 bakeries, 18 butcheries and a ZOO! The city is known for its citrus crops and 25% of the population works in the agriculture industry.

Come on. Bring your game up. This is embarrassing.

Civil Administration contractors accompanied by Israeli soldiers uprooted around 250 Palestinian-owned olive trees Sunday near the West Bank city of Qalqilya, as part of a larger plan to build a settler bypass road in the area.

The Nabi Elias bypass road will include the expropriation of 25 acres of Palestinian land — including a total 700 olive trees — belonging to the Palestinian villages of Izbat Tabib, Azzun, and Nabi Elias, just east of Ramallah.

PHOTOS: Israeli authorities uproot olive trees to build settler-only road | +972 Magazine

You keep throwing stuff like this at the wall. It ain't going to stick.

The Warsaw Ghetto had conditions that were incompatible with sustaining life.

No one in Qalqilya is dying from lack of basic necessities for life. No one in the West Bank is dying from lack of basic necessities for life.

We can discuss all you want about agricultural land vs land for urban requirements. But that is NOT the equivalent of the Warsaw Ghetto. Where the conditions were incompatible with life.

We can't talk about the real issues until all this embarrassing foolishness stops.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Comparing Areas A and B to the Warsaw Ghetto is wrong both morally and factually. The Warsaw Ghetto was not just a restriction on movement into and out of a specific territory -- the conditions of the Ghetto were not sufficient to sustain life. Making such an egregious and inappropriate comparison is nothing more than a demonization of Israel.

The you need to read up. Israel cuts farm land off from villages leaving them without subsistence.

Seriously? You are trying to sell me on the idea that conditions in the "West Bank" are inadequate to sustain life and that there is, therefore, a widespread loss of life?

You can't possibly be stupid enough to believe that.

Qalqilyah's population doubled between 1997 and 2007. It has 145 grocery stores, 35 produce stores, 18 bakeries, 18 butcheries and a ZOO! The city is known for its citrus crops and 25% of the population works in the agriculture industry.

Come on. Bring your game up. This is embarrassing.

Civil Administration contractors accompanied by Israeli soldiers uprooted around 250 Palestinian-owned olive trees Sunday near the West Bank city of Qalqilya, as part of a larger plan to build a settler bypass road in the area.

The Nabi Elias bypass road will include the expropriation of 25 acres of Palestinian land — including a total 700 olive trees — belonging to the Palestinian villages of Izbat Tabib, Azzun, and Nabi Elias, just east of Ramallah.

PHOTOS: Israeli authorities uproot olive trees to build settler-only road | +972 Magazine

You keep throwing stuff like this at the wall. It ain't going to stick.

The Warsaw Ghetto had conditions that were incompatible with sustaining life.

No one in Qalqilya is dying from lack of basic necessities for life. No one in the West Bank is dying from lack of basic necessities for life.

We can discuss all you want about agricultural land vs land for urban requirements. But that is NOT the equivalent of the Warsaw Ghetto. Where the conditions were incompatible with life.

We can't talk about the real issues until all this embarrassing foolishness stops.

That is because you do not know the meaning of independent.

 

[teddyearp]

That is because you do not know the meaning of independent.

No, it is because you do not know the meaning of this thread. But keep twisting your pretzel.

Come on, Tinmore, as louie888 has posted, the Jews/Israelis have been hated in every country they have been in for 2,000 years. Can not the world allow them a tiny piece of the planet that they have now made their own for almost 70 years; that is the size of New Jersey to now call their own? Please?

 

[P F Tinmore]

That is because you do not know the meaning of independent.

No, it is because you do not know the meaning of this thread. But keep twisting your pretzel.

Come on, Tinmore, as louie888 has posted, the Jews/Israelis have been hated in every country they have been in for 2,000 years. Can not the world allow them a tiny piece of the planet that they have now made their own for almost 70 years; that is the size of New Jersey to now call their own? Please?

You missed the point.

 

[teddyearp]

Keep twisting.

 

[montelatici]

That is because you do not know the meaning of independent.

No, it is because you do not know the meaning of this thread. But keep twisting your pretzel.

Come on, Tinmore, as louie888 has posted, the Jews/Israelis have been hated in every country they have been in for 2,000 years. Can not the world allow them a tiny piece of the planet that they have now made their own for almost 70 years; that is the size of New Jersey to now call their own? Please?

It has nothing to do with Jews. It has to do with the people they dispossessed. Don't you get it? Though it does not represent the values of Western culture, most have no problem with people that prefer to isolate themselves religiously, be it Judaism or Islam. The problem is that a people (multi-religious) were dispossessed, to make it possible for a single religion to isolate itself.

 

[Shusha]

Were the Jewish people not dispossessed?

 

[montelatici]

Were the Jewish people not dispossessed?

Since the people that practiced Judaism (or other religions) in Roman Palestine converted to Christianity after 380 AD, and subsequently most to Islam, they continued to live in (and own) the same land, so no, they were not dispossessed.

 

[Shusha]

Were the Jewish people not dispossessed?

Since the people that practiced Judaism (or other religions) in Roman Palestine converted to Christianity after 380 AD, and subsequently most to Islam, they continued to live in (and own) the same land, so no, they were not dispossessed.

Its ridiculous to believe that no Jews were forced into a diaspora. But even if that were true, you don't think forced conversion is a dispossession?

 

[montelatici]

Were the Jewish people not dispossessed?

Since the people that practiced Judaism (or other religions) in Roman Palestine converted to Christianity after 380 AD, and subsequently most to Islam, they continued to live in (and own) the same land, so no, they were not dispossessed.

Its ridiculous to believe that no Jews were forced into a diaspora. But even if that were true, you don't think forced conversion is a dispossession?

Very few were dispossessed as a percentage of the population. The highest estimate, by Flavius Josephus (a Romanized Jewish historian) is 90,000, out of a population of over a million.

No, I don't think conversion (forced or unforced) is dispossession, if the converted are not dispossessed of their land, livelihood, etc.. The Christians of Palestine that converted to Islam under Muslim rule were not dispossessed.