Absolutely against. You arseholes have made a real shitpile of the place, from Iraq to Libya to Yemen to Lebanon. And you're still doing it, increasing troops to Saudi.
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Let me guess, conservatives. You agree with Trump's new sanctions on Turkey
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What, is one US intervention and the other not?
Trump is increasing the number of troops in those shitholes, hiring them out to the Saudis. I expect you to continue to ignore that.
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Ricky LIbtardo
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So intervention is good when it's paid for? And it's never about whose version of Islam is correct, it's always about land, power and money.
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Someone told me the nukes got pulled out of Turkey years ago? I agree with Erdogan's track record on human rights, he's not appropriate for NATO.
Guess you dont read much fool..
2016...
Russian ambassador shot to death in Turkey
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I really hope nothing bad is gonna happen between Russia and Turkey
God I wish we get our Nukes out of Turkey and kick those jerks out of Nato
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Billy_Kinetta
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thats great... so let’s debate it out. You should be able to kick my ass in no time using facts, reason and logic. Right? Make your counterpoint to my last post... let’s do this
Just a few points -
Obama painted a red line and balked when it was crossed. No comparison to the current event.
The tensions in the ME are as much if not more due to tribal conflicts that have existed in some cases a thousand years, rather than recent political developments. Frankly, from that viewpoint we need not engage in most of them. Let them fight it out. Israel and "Palestine" as well.
In terms of fighting ISIS, the Kurds would have been fighting ISIS in any case, whether we were present or not. As much as we wanted ISIS stopped, so did the Kurds. This was not a symbiotic relationship.
A thousand troops between the Kurds and the Turks offered nothing to no one.
Why is Turkey even in NATO? That said, they went over the line Trump drew. Now they get the hosing. Papers are already signed.
My attitude toward the ME is one of persuasion and hands off. Let the bastards fight it out once and for all. We will deal with whoever remains by whatever means are necessary.
If they threaten us, and I mean so much as threaten, hit 'em. Make examples.
If we are forced by events to go in militarily, go with the intent to finish things. No boots on the ground. Destroy all infrastructure, governments centers, military sites. Then go home. No staying to build schools, hospitals, soccer parks, whatever. No staying to "bring freedom and liberty" and attempting to democratize the enemy. They don't want it. "Winning hearts and minds" is a concept of war long since proven to be complete crap.
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obama drew a red line and balked when it was crossed. Trump committed to defending the Kurds at the border if they demilitarized and then balked when Turkey said they were coming in. I do agree that they are not equal events. Trumps is far worse as it resulted in immediate loss of lives, trust, power and strategic positioning. Now we are in a world of shit and even closer to war. This was a sloppy, thoughtless, and cowardly retreat which we will be dealing with for years to come.thats great... so let’s debate it out. You should be able to kick my ass in no time using facts, reason and logic. Right? Make your counterpoint to my last post... let’s do this
Just a few points -
Obama painted a red line and balked when it was crossed. No comparison to the current event.
The tensions in the ME are as much if not more due to tribal conflicts that have existed in some cases a thousand years, rather than recent political developments. Frankly, from that viewpoint we need not engage in most of them. Let them fight it out. Israel and "Palestine" as well.
In terms of fighting ISIS, the Kurds would have been fighting ISIS in any case, whether we were present or not. As much as we wanted ISIS stopped, so did the Kurds. This was not a symbiotic relationship.
A thousand troops between the Kurds and the Turks offered nothing to no one.
Why is Turkey even in NATO? That said, they went over the line Trump drew. Now they get the hosing. Papers are already signed.
My attitude toward the ME is one of persuasion and hands off. Let the bastards fight it out once and for all. We will deal with whoever remains by whatever means are necessary.
If they threaten us, and I mean so much as threaten, hit 'em. Make examples.
If we are forced by events to go in militarily, go with the intent to finish things. No boots on the ground. Destroy all infrastructure, governments centers, military sites. Then go home. No staying to build schools, hospitals, soccer parks, whatever. No staying to "bring freedom and liberty" and attempting to democratize the enemy. They don't want it. "Winning hearts and minds" is a concept of war long since proven to be complete crap.
Billy_Kinetta
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obama drew a red line and balked when it was crossed. Trump committed to defending the Kurds at the border if they demilitarized and then balked when Turkey said they were coming in. I do agree that they are not equal events. Trumps is far worse as it resulted in immediate loss of lives, trust, power and strategic positioning. Now we are in a world of shit and even closer to war. This was a sloppy, thoughtless, and cowardly retreat which we will be dealing with for years to come.thats great... so let’s debate it out. You should be able to kick my ass in no time using facts, reason and logic. Right? Make your counterpoint to my last post... let’s do this
Just a few points -
Obama painted a red line and balked when it was crossed. No comparison to the current event.
The tensions in the ME are as much if not more due to tribal conflicts that have existed in some cases a thousand years, rather than recent political developments. Frankly, from that viewpoint we need not engage in most of them. Let them fight it out. Israel and "Palestine" as well.
In terms of fighting ISIS, the Kurds would have been fighting ISIS in any case, whether we were present or not. As much as we wanted ISIS stopped, so did the Kurds. This was not a symbiotic relationship.
A thousand troops between the Kurds and the Turks offered nothing to no one.
Why is Turkey even in NATO? That said, they went over the line Trump drew. Now they get the hosing. Papers are already signed.
My attitude toward the ME is one of persuasion and hands off. Let the bastards fight it out once and for all. We will deal with whoever remains by whatever means are necessary.
If they threaten us, and I mean so much as threaten, hit 'em. Make examples.
If we are forced by events to go in militarily, go with the intent to finish things. No boots on the ground. Destroy all infrastructure, governments centers, military sites. Then go home. No staying to build schools, hospitals, soccer parks, whatever. No staying to "bring freedom and liberty" and attempting to democratize the enemy. They don't want it. "Winning hearts and minds" is a concept of war long since proven to be complete crap.
I don't recall such a commitment. Link?
As you've guessed, my POV is different.
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The strange thing is that mostly lefties who hate the President are minutely interested in everything he does. Conservatives trust him to make the right decisions.
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Someone told me the nukes got pulled out of Turkey years ago? I agree with Erdogan's track record on human rights, he's not appropriate for NATO.
Guess you dont read much fool..
2016...
Russian ambassador shot to death in Turkey
Online
bear513Diamond Member
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RIP to Mr. Karlov
I really hope nothing bad is gonna happen between Russia and Turkey
God I wish we get our Nukes out of Turkey and kick those jerks out of Nato
Huh?
That's news to me, as far as I know our bombers and nukes are still stationed in Turkey.
Let me check.
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Im happy to dig up a link for you if you’re really not familiar with our relationship with the Kurds. But before I do so let me ask... if I show you credible evidence that we had told the Kurds that we would stand by them if they demilitarized the Turkish border, would that change your position in this debate? Would you admit that the way trump withdrew was wrong and messed up?obama drew a red line and balked when it was crossed. Trump committed to defending the Kurds at the border if they demilitarized and then balked when Turkey said they were coming in. I do agree that they are not equal events. Trumps is far worse as it resulted in immediate loss of lives, trust, power and strategic positioning. Now we are in a world of shit and even closer to war. This was a sloppy, thoughtless, and cowardly retreat which we will be dealing with for years to come.thats great... so let’s debate it out. You should be able to kick my ass in no time using facts, reason and logic. Right? Make your counterpoint to my last post... let’s do this
Just a few points -
Obama painted a red line and balked when it was crossed. No comparison to the current event.
The tensions in the ME are as much if not more due to tribal conflicts that have existed in some cases a thousand years, rather than recent political developments. Frankly, from that viewpoint we need not engage in most of them. Let them fight it out. Israel and "Palestine" as well.
In terms of fighting ISIS, the Kurds would have been fighting ISIS in any case, whether we were present or not. As much as we wanted ISIS stopped, so did the Kurds. This was not a symbiotic relationship.
A thousand troops between the Kurds and the Turks offered nothing to no one.
Why is Turkey even in NATO? That said, they went over the line Trump drew. Now they get the hosing. Papers are already signed.
My attitude toward the ME is one of persuasion and hands off. Let the bastards fight it out once and for all. We will deal with whoever remains by whatever means are necessary.
If they threaten us, and I mean so much as threaten, hit 'em. Make examples.
If we are forced by events to go in militarily, go with the intent to finish things. No boots on the ground. Destroy all infrastructure, governments centers, military sites. Then go home. No staying to build schools, hospitals, soccer parks, whatever. No staying to "bring freedom and liberty" and attempting to democratize the enemy. They don't want it. "Winning hearts and minds" is a concept of war long since proven to be complete crap.
I don't recall such a commitment. Link?
As you've guessed, my POV is different.
Trump uses sanctions instead of troops. Why wouldn't you as a liberal be in favor of that? It's been something he's called for long before he became President. He doesn't believe in getting bogged down in conflicts that can't be won on the ground and would rather use US economic might instead. I don't have an issue with that. I'm rather amused that you do.
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He said he'd get us out of endless wars so he moved US troops from a warzone. He said he'd put sanctions on Turkey if they went too far. He put sanctions on Turkey.
And you're mad about it. The peace, love and tolerance left is mad about it. What gives?
Billy_Kinetta
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Im happy to dig up a link for you if you’re really not familiar with our relationship with the Kurds. But before I do so let me ask... if I show you credible evidence that we had told the Kurds that we would stand by them if they demilitarized the Turkish border, would that change your position in this debate? Would you admit that the way trump withdrew was wrong and messed up?obama drew a red line and balked when it was crossed. Trump committed to defending the Kurds at the border if they demilitarized and then balked when Turkey said they were coming in. I do agree that they are not equal events. Trumps is far worse as it resulted in immediate loss of lives, trust, power and strategic positioning. Now we are in a world of shit and even closer to war. This was a sloppy, thoughtless, and cowardly retreat which we will be dealing with for years to come.thats great... so let’s debate it out. You should be able to kick my ass in no time using facts, reason and logic. Right? Make your counterpoint to my last post... let’s do this
You reminded me of the film "Altered States".
Just a few points -
Obama painted a red line and balked when it was crossed. No comparison to the current event.
The tensions in the ME are as much if not more due to tribal conflicts that have existed in some cases a thousand years, rather than recent political developments. Frankly, from that viewpoint we need not engage in most of them. Let them fight it out. Israel and "Palestine" as well.
In terms of fighting ISIS, the Kurds would have been fighting ISIS in any case, whether we were present or not. As much as we wanted ISIS stopped, so did the Kurds. This was not a symbiotic relationship.
A thousand troops between the Kurds and the Turks offered nothing to no one.
Why is Turkey even in NATO? That said, they went over the line Trump drew. Now they get the hosing. Papers are already signed.
My attitude toward the ME is one of persuasion and hands off. Let the bastards fight it out once and for all. We will deal with whoever remains by whatever means are necessary.
If they threaten us, and I mean so much as threaten, hit 'em. Make examples.
If we are forced by events to go in militarily, go with the intent to finish things. No boots on the ground. Destroy all infrastructure, governments centers, military sites. Then go home. No staying to build schools, hospitals, soccer parks, whatever. No staying to "bring freedom and liberty" and attempting to democratize the enemy. They don't want it. "Winning hearts and minds" is a concept of war long since proven to be complete crap.
I don't recall such a commitment. Link?
As you've guessed, my POV is different.
Possibly.
Depends.
/——/ I’m so old, I remember when Libtards demanded sanctions over warfare all the time.Im happy to dig up a link for you if you’re really not familiar with our relationship with the Kurds. But before I do so let me ask... if I show you credible evidence that we had told the Kurds that we would stand by them if they demilitarized the Turkish border, would that change your position in this debate? Would you admit that the way trump withdrew was wrong and messed up?obama drew a red line and balked when it was crossed. Trump committed to defending the Kurds at the border if they demilitarized and then balked when Turkey said they were coming in. I do agree that they are not equal events. Trumps is far worse as it resulted in immediate loss of lives, trust, power and strategic positioning. Now we are in a world of shit and even closer to war. This was a sloppy, thoughtless, and cowardly retreat which we will be dealing with for years to come.thats great... so let’s debate it out. You should be able to kick my ass in no time using facts, reason and logic. Right? Make your counterpoint to my last post... let’s do this
You reminded me of the film "Altered States".
Just a few points -
Obama painted a red line and balked when it was crossed. No comparison to the current event.
The tensions in the ME are as much if not more due to tribal conflicts that have existed in some cases a thousand years, rather than recent political developments. Frankly, from that viewpoint we need not engage in most of them. Let them fight it out. Israel and "Palestine" as well.
In terms of fighting ISIS, the Kurds would have been fighting ISIS in any case, whether we were present or not. As much as we wanted ISIS stopped, so did the Kurds. This was not a symbiotic relationship.
A thousand troops between the Kurds and the Turks offered nothing to no one.
Why is Turkey even in NATO? That said, they went over the line Trump drew. Now they get the hosing. Papers are already signed.
My attitude toward the ME is one of persuasion and hands off. Let the bastards fight it out once and for all. We will deal with whoever remains by whatever means are necessary.
If they threaten us, and I mean so much as threaten, hit 'em. Make examples.
If we are forced by events to go in militarily, go with the intent to finish things. No boots on the ground. Destroy all infrastructure, governments centers, military sites. Then go home. No staying to build schools, hospitals, soccer parks, whatever. No staying to "bring freedom and liberty" and attempting to democratize the enemy. They don't want it. "Winning hearts and minds" is a concept of war long since proven to be complete crap.
I don't recall such a commitment. Link?
As you've guessed, my POV is different.
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