Lessons I learned about Illegal immigration during my recent cruise

[MisterBeale]

I like to be reasonable and connect the dots.....the magic number has been 11 million for decades yet the Kenyan added 2.5 million, and while we see millions traverse our border every year on a north heading NOBODY has ever seen a single wetback traveling south across our border...Do the fucking math Humberto from Tijuana.

2.5 Million Join Illegal Population under Obama

Center for Immigration Studies analysis of Census Bureau data indicates that an additional 790,000 aliens joined the illegal population from the middle of 2013 to May of 2015.

cis.org

Center for Immigration Studies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is an anti-immigration think tank. It favors far lower immigration numbers, and produces analyses to further those views. The CIS was founded by historian Otis L. Graham and eugenicist and white nationalist John Tanton. The organization was founded in 1985 as a spin-off from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, and is one of a number of anti-immigration organizations founded by Tanton, along with FAIR and NumbersUSA.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Center for Immigration Studies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is an anti-immigration think tank. It favors far lower immigration numbers, and produces analyses to further those views. The CIS was founded by historian Otis L. Graham and eugenicist and white nationalist John Tanton. The organization was founded in 1985 as a spin-off from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, and is one of a number of anti-immigration organizations founded by Tanton, along with FAIR and NumbersUSA.

What does that mean to you? They are liars and incapable of posting accurate data?

 

[BrokeLoser]

No, you don't. You only see skin color and piss your panties if it isn't exactly the same shade as your own, loser.

I see nothing but scary racist data… What does the data say about a browner America? What does the data say about every single brown city, state, and nation?

MisterBeale

 

[MisterBeale]

What does that mean to you? They are liars and incapable of posting accurate data?

Not that. . . but they are guesses.

Everyone acknowledges it is guess work.

So, um, no, they are NOT posting anymore accurate data than anyone else, since it is all guess work.

And? Since I am only pointing out the bias of the people under the white sheets whom you are citing, it should not bother you to know.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Not that. . . but they are guesses.

Everyone acknowledges it is guess work.

So, um, no, they are NOT posting anymore accurate data than anyone else, since it is all guess work.

And? Since I am only pointing out the bias of the people under the white sheets whom you are citing, it should not bother you to know.

I’m sure your guess is far more accurate than a guess from Yale.

Yale Study Finds Twice as Many Undocumented Immigrants as Previous Estimates

New research suggests that the population of undocumented immigrants in the United States may be 22 million, nearly twice what has been believed.

insights.som.yale.edu

 

[DudleySmith]

Center for Immigration Studies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is an anti-immigration think tank. It favors far lower immigration numbers, and produces analyses to further those views. The CIS was founded by historian Otis L. Graham and eugenicist and white nationalist John Tanton. The organization was founded in 1985 as a spin-off from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, and is one of a number of anti-immigration organizations founded by Tanton, along with FAIR and NumbersUSA.

So if they aren't pro-immigration their numbers are automatically fake and those from pro-illegal immigration are therefore the most accurate? Do you think no more illegal aliens have come over the border since the oft-cited number of '11 million' popped up in the 1980's and is still repeated today, close to 40 years later?

 

[Nova78]

oh, shit another bleeding heart moron rant.
you see what you have morons have done is turn our country into the very thing they ran from,
they bring their third-world shit over here.

 

[JohnDB]

Just got back yesterday from my first cruise. It was a five-day, four-night cruise out of Galveston with Cozumel as port of call. Great vacation, highly recommended.

Cruises are vacations in which a few thousand of travelers are served by a couple of hundred sailors and several hundred passenger facing crew members who work very hard to treat the travelers like kings. The crew members are housed in cramped quarters like sailors there and everywhere, and paid low-wages for long hours. They depend on tips to meet what is a near-universal goal among them: to send money home to their families.

My point?

It is easy to feel like an exploiter when being waited on hand-and-foot by these hard-working people, who are from countries like India, Peru and Kenya. Hard not to feel self-conscious about throwing away half of a buffet plate - or more correctly, leaving the half-eaten plate to be picked up by a person whose family may be experiencing real hunger (not "food insecurity). Hard not to wonder what the casino crew members think of all the cash Americans are willing to part with.

It is important to keep in mind that the reason those people are not able to simply work forty hours in their own country and support their families at home is that their countries are not enough like the United States. The less their economic systems resemble hours, the more poverty exists. American advocates of government regulation of business may not understand that, but illegal immigrants surely do.

The reason they can make money on a cruise ship is that the sea is the most libertarian part of the world, so their casino and bar jobs are not at risk of being banned by either religious conservatives or humanist social engineers, nor is the ship line is not required to pay them higher wages or provide health insurance.

If they were in the United States or if their country adopted the U.S. economic system, they could be land-based waiters, cooks, casino employees, retail sales people and most of the other jobs with cruise ship counterparts and they themselves would be able to afford an occasional cruise. So long as the cruise were crewed by people from other countries who had not adopted the U.S. system.

If all the nations of the world adopted our economic system, flawed though it certainly is, cruises would become much more expensive. People able to earn decent livings on land would demand the same on cruise ships. Bussers and hotel maids would still struggle economically, as would cruise ship stewards and table attendants. But, that is what provides the incentive for people to seek the education, training, and work records to move on up to higher paid jobs.

Anyway, my assumption was that the cruise line and/or the CBP required crew to stay on board to avoid their jumping ship and staying in the U.S. From what I now understand (and I could be wrong), they often sent crew members to the airport to fly them to a port where their next assignment wills start. But they don't seem interested in immigrating illegally, since they already have a job equivalent to a "job Americans won't do."

I'd like to see these hard-working people have a chance to live and work in the U.S. If I were benevolent dictator, I would decree that anyone who has worked ten cruises from a U.S. port can get a green card, so long as they agree to take no welfare. Then the next immigrant who applied for welfare could be told, "No need! A job just opened on the cruise ship Festivus. Bon Voyagee!"

WOW..
Never heard anything so ignorant in my entire life (except for the flat earthers or antivaxxers).

The US is economically strong because they leverage their economic power over others to keep themselves wealthy and others poor...which in turn creates a great environment for graft, bribery, and power grabs by petty tyrants. Altruistic governments amongst other nations is non-existent.

So...no...I don't agree with your assessment.

 

[Seymour Flops]

WOW..
Never heard anything so ignorant in my entire life (except for the flat earthers or antivaxxers).

The US is economically strong because they leverage their economic power over others to keep themselves wealthy and others poor...which in turn creates a great environment for graft, bribery, and power grabs by petty tyrants. Altruistic governments amongst other nations is non-existent.

So...no...I don't agree with your assessment.

Where did the economic power of the US come from in the first place?

It was the work ethic of the people who self-selected as industrious by coming to America in the first place, the lack of entrenched bureaucracy (as the nation started), and the free market.

Yes, there was the moral obscenity of slavery and the willingness of capitalists to require wage-workers to work in conditions not much better than slavery. We must never forget that and Americans of all color must be vigilant to guard against a return to such horrors, under the flag of "fairness."

But the wealth generated by the three factors above allowed all boats to rise and for the slave-owners and greedy capitalists to thrive even when forced to treat their work forces humanely.

 

[JohnDB]

Where did the economic power of the US come from in the first place?

It was the work ethic of the people who self-selected as industrious by coming to America in the first place, the lack of entrenched bureaucracy (as the nation started), and the free market.

Yes, there was the moral obscenity of slavery and the willingness of capitalists to require wage-workers to work in conditions not much better than slavery. We must never forget that and Americans of all color must be vigilant to guard against a return to such horrors, under the flag of "fairness."

But the wealth generated by the three factors above allowed all boats to rise and for the slave-owners and greedy capitalists to thrive even when forced to treat their work forces humanely.

These days we learned a lot about how to economically enslave people. Peter Drucker was just the start...but then we seen what Britain did with the East India Trading company and India...
France did the same thing with Africa...

We have done the same with Canada, Mexico, Panama, Guatamala, and others in our hemisphere.
We were less cutthroat than Europe...but after WWII we never relented with our exploitation of places like Japan and Malaysia.
Today we still have the economic upper hand... even over Europe and PRC. (Despite the whining). PRC is going to get it's lesson handed to them soon just like the USSR did.
Where we tend to not be as abusive as Europe is...we still don't allow the working class into the upper crust of wealth.

 

[Lisa558]

Just got back yesterday from my first cruise. It was a five-day, four-night cruise out of Galveston with Cozumel as port of call. Great vacation, highly recommended.

Cruises are vacations in which a few thousand of travelers are served by a couple of hundred sailors and several hundred passenger facing crew members who work very hard to treat the travelers like kings. The crew members are housed in cramped quarters like sailors there and everywhere, and paid low-wages for long hours. They depend on tips to meet what is a near-universal goal among them: to send money home to their families.

My point?

It is easy to feel like an exploiter when being waited on hand-and-foot by these hard-working people, who are from countries like India, Peru and Kenya. Hard not to feel self-conscious about throwing away half of a buffet plate - or more correctly, leaving the half-eaten plate to be picked up by a person whose family may be experiencing real hunger (not "food insecurity). Hard not to wonder what the casino crew members think of all the cash Americans are willing to part with.

It is important to keep in mind that the reason those people are not able to simply work forty hours in their own country and support their families at home is that their countries are not enough like the United States. The less their economic systems resemble hours, the more poverty exists. American advocates of government regulation of business may not understand that, but illegal immigrants surely do.

The reason they can make money on a cruise ship is that the sea is the most libertarian part of the world, so their casino and bar jobs are not at risk of being banned by either religious conservatives or humanist social engineers, nor is the ship line is not required to pay them higher wages or provide health insurance.

If they were in the United States or if their country adopted the U.S. economic system, they could be land-based waiters, cooks, casino employees, retail sales people and most of the other jobs with cruise ship counterparts and they themselves would be able to afford an occasional cruise. So long as the cruise were crewed by people from other countries who had not adopted the U.S. system.

If all the nations of the world adopted our economic system, flawed though it certainly is, cruises would become much more expensive. People able to earn decent livings on land would demand the same on cruise ships. Bussers and hotel maids would still struggle economically, as would cruise ship stewards and table attendants. But, that is what provides the incentive for people to seek the education, training, and work records to move on up to higher paid jobs.

Anyway, my assumption was that the cruise line and/or the CBP required crew to stay on board to avoid their jumping ship and staying in the U.S. From what I now understand (and I could be wrong), they often sent crew members to the airport to fly them to a port where their next assignment wills start. But they don't seem interested in immigrating illegally, since they already have a job equivalent to a "job Americans won't do."

I'd like to see these hard-working people have a chance to live and work in the U.S. If I were benevolent dictator, I would decree that anyone who has worked ten cruises from a U.S. port can get a green card, so long as they agree to take no welfare. Then the next immigrant who applied for welfare could be told, "No need! A job just opened on the cruise ship Festivus. Bon Voyagee!"

These hard-working people are welcome to apply for entry to the United States, just like anyone. If they qualify, welcome!
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[Unkotare]

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Where we tend to not be as abusive as Europe is...we still don't allow the working class into the upper crust of wealth.

What a load of crap.