Lessons I learned about Illegal immigration during my recent cruise

[Seymour Flops]

Just got back yesterday from my first cruise. It was a five-day, four-night cruise out of Galveston with Cozumel as port of call. Great vacation, highly recommended.

Cruises are vacations in which a few thousand of travelers are served by a couple of hundred sailors and several hundred passenger facing crew members who work very hard to treat the travelers like kings. The crew members are housed in cramped quarters like sailors there and everywhere, and paid low-wages for long hours. They depend on tips to meet what is a near-universal goal among them: to send money home to their families.

My point?

It is easy to feel like an exploiter when being waited on hand-and-foot by these hard-working people, who are from countries like India, Peru and Kenya. Hard not to feel self-conscious about throwing away half of a buffet plate - or more correctly, leaving the half-eaten plate to be picked up by a person whose family may be experiencing real hunger (not "food insecurity). Hard not to wonder what the casino crew members think of all the cash Americans are willing to part with.

It is important to keep in mind that the reason those people are not able to simply work forty hours in their own country and support their families at home is that their countries are not enough like the United States. The less their economic systems resemble hours, the more poverty exists. American advocates of government regulation of business may not understand that, but illegal immigrants surely do.

The reason they can make money on a cruise ship is that the sea is the most libertarian part of the world, so their casino and bar jobs are not at risk of being banned by either religious conservatives or humanist social engineers, nor is the ship line is not required to pay them higher wages or provide health insurance.

If they were in the United States or if their country adopted the U.S. economic system, they could be land-based waiters, cooks, casino employees, retail sales people and most of the other jobs with cruise ship counterparts and they themselves would be able to afford an occasional cruise. So long as the cruise were crewed by people from other countries who had not adopted the U.S. system.

If all the nations of the world adopted our economic system, flawed though it certainly is, cruises would become much more expensive. People able to earn decent livings on land would demand the same on cruise ships. Bussers and hotel maids would still struggle economically, as would cruise ship stewards and table attendants. But, that is what provides the incentive for people to seek the education, training, and work records to move on up to higher paid jobs.

Anyway, my assumption was that the cruise line and/or the CBP required crew to stay on board to avoid their jumping ship and staying in the U.S. From what I now understand (and I could be wrong), they often sent crew members to the airport to fly them to a port where their next assignment wills start. But they don't seem interested in immigrating illegally, since they already have a job equivalent to a "job Americans won't do."

I'd like to see these hard-working people have a chance to live and work in the U.S. If I were benevolent dictator, I would decree that anyone who has worked ten cruises from a U.S. port can get a green card, so long as they agree to take no welfare. Then the next immigrant who applied for welfare could be told, "No need! A job just opened on the cruise ship Festivus. Bon Voyagee!"

 

[skye]

Too long....sorry, I wont read all of it.

 

[JGalt]

Too long....sorry, I wont read all of it.

I read all of it. It's a guilt-ridden sympathy plea for illegals.

I visualized machine-gunning and napalming a horde of them coming across the border, after I read that.

 

[MisterBeale]

I read all of it. It's a guilt-ridden sympathy plea for illegals.

I visualized machine-gunning and napalming a horde of them coming across the border, after I read that.

The thing is. . . it strikes me as propaganda, and mostly socialist garbage at that.

I have never, myself, been on a cruise.

But? I have known two people that have worked on cruise lines when I was in my twenties. In fact, I dated a girl that had been an entertainer on one ship. . . she was smokin'

I worked in the tourist industry, and I knew kids that traveled the nation, working the resort towns. . . it was a way of life. They worked Cedar Point, Disney Land, and yes, Cruise Lines. Life on the road was a great life. Just like Jimmie Buffet makes it sound.

So? This seems to me, to be propaganda. I suppose, some cruise lines may hire illegals, but why would they hire kids that can't communicate, and be sophisticated enough to interact in a polite way with passengers? When they can hire kids out of high school and college kids on break for a few dollar more, and get high class, high quality service, that will always please their middle class and upper class clientele?


Maybe in the cheapest, and lowest quality cruises engage in this type of practice? But most folks want a quality vacation, and the ability to communicate and have something in common with their server or bartender.

It's possible there is a mix.

There were a lot of immigrants in the tourist areas I worked, but they all had work visas sponsored by the tourist companies. The VAST majority of these foreigners had no desire to immigrate. And they had contracts, just like we did. It is known to be seasonal work, and these folks signed contracts. They always knew what they were getting into.

So? Again, this post is bullshit. The person doesn't know what he is talking about.


He's just a fudgie.

 

[Blackrook]

It's easy to get upset about other people's problems but ultimately these people have to solve their problems themselves.

 

[Yarddog]

Too long....sorry, I wont read all of it.

4th paragraph I got an eye cramp

 

[JGalt]

It's easy to get upset about other people's problems but ultimately these people have to solve their problems themselves.

Exactly that. Instead of running away from their own countries like little cowards, why don't they stay in their own countries and fight to make them better?

That's bullshit. They're just coming here because we coddle them and give them free shit. We had to fight and die against every unimaginable form of tyranny to make this country what it is. And they want to just sneak in here and get some for fucking nothing? Fuck them.

 

[Yarddog]

Just got back yesterday from my first cruise. It was a five-day, four-night cruise out of Galveston with Cozumel as port of call. Great vacation, highly recommended.

Cruises are vacations in which a few thousand of travelers are served by a couple of hundred sailors and several hundred passenger facing crew members who work very hard to treat the travelers like kings. The crew members are housed in cramped quarters like sailors there and everywhere, and paid low-wages for long hours. They depend on tips to meet what is a near-universal goal among them: to send money home to their families.

My point?

It is easy to feel like an exploiter when being waited on hand-and-foot by these hard-working people, who are from countries like India, Peru and Kenya. Hard not to feel self-conscious about throwing away half of a buffet plate - or more correctly, leaving the half-eaten plate to be picked up by a person whose family may be experiencing real hunger (not "food insecurity). Hard not to wonder what the casino crew members think of all the cash Americans are willing to part with.

It is important to keep in mind that the reason those people are not able to simply work forty hours in their own country and support their families at home is that their countries are not enough like the United States. The less their economic systems resemble hours, the more poverty exists. American advocates of government regulation of business may not understand that, but illegal immigrants surely do.

The reason they can make money on a cruise ship is that the sea is the most libertarian part of the world, so their casino and bar jobs are not at risk of being banned by either religious conservatives or humanist social engineers, nor is the ship line is not required to pay them higher wages or provide health insurance.

If they were in the United States or if their country adopted the U.S. economic system, they could be land-based waiters, cooks, casino employees, retail sales people and most of the other jobs with cruise ship counterparts and they themselves would be able to afford an occasional cruise. So long as the cruise were crewed by people from other countries who had not adopted the U.S. system.

If all the nations of the world adopted our economic system, flawed though it certainly is, cruises would become much more expensive. People able to earn decent livings on land would demand the same on cruise ships. Bussers and hotel maids would still struggle economically, as would cruise ship stewards and table attendants. But, that is what provides the incentive for people to seek the education, training, and work records to move on up to higher paid jobs.

Anyway, my assumption was that the cruise line and/or the CBP required crew to stay on board to avoid their jumping ship and staying in the U.S. From what I now understand (and I could be wrong), they often sent crew members to the airport to fly them to a port where their next assignment wills start. But they don't seem interested in immigrating illegally, since they already have a job equivalent to a "job Americans won't do."

I'd like to see these hard-working people have a chance to live and work in the U.S. If I were benevolent dictator, I would decree that anyone who has worked ten cruises from a U.S. port can get a green card, so long as they agree to take no welfare. Then the next immigrant who applied for welfare could be told, "No need! A job just opened on the cruise ship Festivus. Bon Voyagee!"

next time instead of going on a cruise, donate your money to the poor. Not sure how going on a cruise with cramped workers, working hard for their money though it may be could teach you a thing about illegal immigration.
Try having sympathy for the increasing number of Americans who are O.D.ing from fentanyl sent north by drug cartels.. and the fact that human traffickers are able now to increase their infrastructure right here in the U.S. ,
and the fact that people from hundreds of countries around the world are entering through our southern border, including potential terrorists.
You know we have plenty of hard working Americans riight here who need jobs... and we also have some lazy Americans who also need to learn how to work hard. Lets stop importing more people from other countries... 1million plus a year coming in legally is plenty... we dont need a security crisis on our southern border just to make people like yourself happy.

 

[toobfreak]

I'd like to see these hard-working people have a chance to live and work in the U.S.

It's easy to get upset about other people's problems but ultimately these people have to solve their problems themselves.

And that really is the point. I'd like to see all these good people working also-- -- but in their own country! The problem is and belongs to the governments of their home countries to get off their asses and to start creating economic opportunity and a living wage for these people otherwise, the world bank or someone ought to start fining the home governments billions of dollars to offset the cost of their problems being thrown onto the backs of other nations.

I never feel guilty for some foreigner not having my opportunity or standard of living because I'm neither the CAUSE of his problem nor should I be made the SOLUTION. There is a whole fucking planet out there outside the USA and everyone shouldn't and can't live here nor should they NEED to, to have a life.

 

[Indeependent]

Just got back yesterday from my first cruise. It was a five-day, four-night cruise out of Galveston with Cozumel as port of call. Great vacation, highly recommended.

Cruises are vacations in which a few thousand of travelers are served by a couple of hundred sailors and several hundred passenger facing crew members who work very hard to treat the travelers like kings. The crew members are housed in cramped quarters like sailors there and everywhere, and paid low-wages for long hours. They depend on tips to meet what is a near-universal goal among them: to send money home to their families.

My point?

It is easy to feel like an exploiter when being waited on hand-and-foot by these hard-working people, who are from countries like India, Peru and Kenya. Hard not to feel self-conscious about throwing away half of a buffet plate - or more correctly, leaving the half-eaten plate to be picked up by a person whose family may be experiencing real hunger (not "food insecurity). Hard not to wonder what the casino crew members think of all the cash Americans are willing to part with.

It is important to keep in mind that the reason those people are not able to simply work forty hours in their own country and support their families at home is that their countries are not enough like the United States. The less their economic systems resemble hours, the more poverty exists. American advocates of government regulation of business may not understand that, but illegal immigrants surely do.

The reason they can make money on a cruise ship is that the sea is the most libertarian part of the world, so their casino and bar jobs are not at risk of being banned by either religious conservatives or humanist social engineers, nor is the ship line is not required to pay them higher wages or provide health insurance.

If they were in the United States or if their country adopted the U.S. economic system, they could be land-based waiters, cooks, casino employees, retail sales people and most of the other jobs with cruise ship counterparts and they themselves would be able to afford an occasional cruise. So long as the cruise were crewed by people from other countries who had not adopted the U.S. system.

If all the nations of the world adopted our economic system, flawed though it certainly is, cruises would become much more expensive. People able to earn decent livings on land would demand the same on cruise ships. Bussers and hotel maids would still struggle economically, as would cruise ship stewards and table attendants. But, that is what provides the incentive for people to seek the education, training, and work records to move on up to higher paid jobs.

Anyway, my assumption was that the cruise line and/or the CBP required crew to stay on board to avoid their jumping ship and staying in the U.S. From what I now understand (and I could be wrong), they often sent crew members to the airport to fly them to a port where their next assignment wills start. But they don't seem interested in immigrating illegally, since they already have a job equivalent to a "job Americans won't do."

I'd like to see these hard-working people have a chance to live and work in the U.S. If I were benevolent dictator, I would decree that anyone who has worked ten cruises from a U.S. port can get a green card, so long as they agree to take no welfare. Then the next immigrant who applied for welfare could be told, "No need! A job just opened on the cruise ship Festivus. Bon Voyagee!"

I'd like to see them do their version of an American Revolution.

 

[MisterBeale]

Instead of running away from their own countries like little cowards, why don't they stay in their own countries and fight to make them better?

They aren't cowards running away, they are hard workers, that come to this nation for opportunity and seasonal work, and then go back home when the work is done.

They are the best and brightest of their nation, and they come here, because there is nothing in their home nations for them. . . We know the corruption that plagues those nations, their elites, are just like ours, are now making this nation. And our elites sap the wealth and resources out of those nations.

I've met them when I was younger, they aren't bad folks. They are, in fact, quite conservative. Maybe if the Clinton's hadn't been so corrupt, and instead invested that money, there would have been hope. . . but look into that, the folks at the top love to rob the poor and powerless.

Michigan leans on migrant workers amid labor shortage

Migrant labor drives Michigan's economy, particularly in tourism and agriculture industries, which rely on workers from outside the U.S. to fill seasonal jobs.

www.mlive.com

". . . For 18 summers, Samuels has made the trip back to the historic Mission Point Resort overlooking the shores of Lake Huron.

“Mission Point is my home away from home,” he said. “When I go home, I look forward to coming back.”

Samuels is one of thousands of people from across the globe legally working in Michigan through temporary visas. Migrant labor drives Michigan’s economy, particularly in tourism and agriculture industries, which rely on workers from outside the U.S. to fill seasonal jobs.

Michigan is facing a labor shortage as the population gets older and businesses struggle to recover from the COVID-19 pandemic. Easing restrictions and creating a more welcome environment for immigrants could be the key to addressing Michigan’s labor shortage, which isn’t expected to improve anytime soon.. . ."


The point of fact here, is after legal fees, transport costs, plus these places are required to pay at least the federal and state minimum? Students, both High School and College ARE cheaper for the resorts to hire. For the cruses? I can't say. I do know, the students are responsible for their own transport costs to get to the ship.

Thirty years ago, the only place that used Jamaicans was the Grand, mostly for image, but it has always been very expensive to do. The elites, both conservative and liberal, liked being served by foreign black folks that spoke English. I'll leave you to figure out why.

 

[Maxdeath]

I take it you never actually spoke with any of the crew. They are allowed shore leave in ports. Not all at once.yes they live in cramped quarters but they actually make very good money. The cruise line pays decent but most make outrageous amounts in tips. It is not unus for them to make a hundred or two from a couple In a week.
most have been through at least high school a large number are Either going to or have been to college.
they do put in long hours and yes some send money home. It is a way of life just like any other job.
But if you want to imagine things in your way. If it makes things better for you then have at it. But what you are imagining is no where near the truth.

 

[Samofvt]

I read about all of your recount, and first I'd like to say thanks for shareing.

However...I can't even describe all the hardships I've had to endure personally in my lifetime, not the least of which was spending years of my life cramped into less than "acceptable" living conditions. So....

I think things are fine the way they are. With any luck at all, some of those men and women will get homesick, go back home, and institute some of the things they learned on their voyages. It's the only way forward.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I read all of it. It's a guilt-ridden sympathy plea for illegals.

I visualized machine-gunning and napalming a horde of them coming across the border, after I read that.

I visualized land mines and snipers.

George P. Bush is advocating landowners having the right to shoot treasspassers. I agree. I'll bet more than one does just that now.

 

[DudleySmith]

Exactly that. Instead of running away from their own countries like little cowards, why don't they stay in their own countries and fight to make them better?

That's bullshit. They're just coming here because we coddle them and give them free shit. We had to fight and die against every unimaginable form of tyranny to make this country what it is. And they want to just sneak in here and get some for fucking nothing? Fuck them.

When I watch those Pity Party vids of them coming across the river I see mostly a lot of fat well dressed people waddling along, not starving masses wearing rags and looking like the Bataan Death March victims the media keeps portraying them as. Then when they get here the commie lawyer outfits have them whining about the free food and air conditioning and everything else, as if they're being abused no end by Whitey n stuff.

A couple of weeks ago the hacks were even blaming the U.S. fro a traffic accident in southern Mexico that killed 49 illegals on the way to the U.S.; it was absurd.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Just got back yesterday from my first cruise. It was a five-day, four-night cruise out of Galveston with Cozumel as port of call. Great vacation, highly recommended.

Cruises are vacations in which a few thousand of travelers are served by a couple of hundred sailors and several hundred passenger facing crew members who work very hard to treat the travelers like kings. The crew members are housed in cramped quarters like sailors there and everywhere, and paid low-wages for long hours. They depend on tips to meet what is a near-universal goal among them: to send money home to their families.

My point?

It is easy to feel like an exploiter when being waited on hand-and-foot by these hard-working people, who are from countries like India, Peru and Kenya. Hard not to feel self-conscious about throwing away half of a buffet plate - or more correctly, leaving the half-eaten plate to be picked up by a person whose family may be experiencing real hunger (not "food insecurity). Hard not to wonder what the casino crew members think of all the cash Americans are willing to part with.

It is important to keep in mind that the reason those people are not able to simply work forty hours in their own country and support their families at home is that their countries are not enough like the United States. The less their economic systems resemble hours, the more poverty exists. American advocates of government regulation of business may not understand that, but illegal immigrants surely do.

The reason they can make money on a cruise ship is that the sea is the most libertarian part of the world, so their casino and bar jobs are not at risk of being banned by either religious conservatives or humanist social engineers, nor is the ship line is not required to pay them higher wages or provide health insurance.

If they were in the United States or if their country adopted the U.S. economic system, they could be land-based waiters, cooks, casino employees, retail sales people and most of the other jobs with cruise ship counterparts and they themselves would be able to afford an occasional cruise. So long as the cruise were crewed by people from other countries who had not adopted the U.S. system.

If all the nations of the world adopted our economic system, flawed though it certainly is, cruises would become much more expensive. People able to earn decent livings on land would demand the same on cruise ships. Bussers and hotel maids would still struggle economically, as would cruise ship stewards and table attendants. But, that is what provides the incentive for people to seek the education, training, and work records to move on up to higher paid jobs.

Anyway, my assumption was that the cruise line and/or the CBP required crew to stay on board to avoid their jumping ship and staying in the U.S. From what I now understand (and I could be wrong), they often sent crew members to the airport to fly them to a port where their next assignment wills start. But they don't seem interested in immigrating illegally, since they already have a job equivalent to a "job Americans won't do."

I'd like to see these hard-working people have a chance to live and work in the U.S. If I were benevolent dictator, I would decree that anyone who has worked ten cruises from a U.S. port can get a green card, so long as they agree to take no welfare. Then the next immigrant who applied for welfare could be told, "No need! A job just opened on the cruise ship Festivus. Bon Voyagee!"

Wish the problem was as simplistic as that. Not too sure where you live but here in the UK, over the centuries, we've built a decent standard of living and infrastructure. All this being paid for via taxes. Immigration tends to come in in two forms, those that add and contribute to our standard of living and infrastructure, and those that don't. Those that don't are often luxury seekers and the illegals. I don't know the split in numbers between the two, but, a government report highlighted that the population increase was a tiny percentage behind the increase in GDP, that means, total immigration didn't pay for itself by this tiny percentage of whatever trillion trade the UK does. Last time I was bothered to work it out, it was so many billion.

But what happens is, the services we receive reduce and the queues get longer, be it the trains, doctors, council services etc..

As for jobs that the pro immigration group says we won't do, I say it's just simply the way the market swings. Just means if pubs and restaurants can't get staff, then these close and the takeaway businesses continue to boom. Jobs are just moving from sector to another. So as the sales of CD's decline, former music shop workers are employed into other industries.

Then there's an element of society where working harder reduces their welfare cheques, so why work harder? Our Labour government under Gordon Brown found that out when he commissioned a study.

The many countries where unwanted immigration comes from, they breed at a much faster pace than you can take in.


So some countries like Australia and New Zealand have a much more robust immigration system, and when your visa expires, you are soon sent packing. When the US and UK suggest such systems, we're apparently racist, but, I say those here that want such a system are aware of what I just said about our standard of living and infrastructure, and the immigrants we want increases these, not erode them. And most importantly, can they speak English.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Wish the problem was as simplistic as that. Not too sure where you live but here in the UK, over the centuries, we've built a decent standard of living and infrastructure. All this being paid for via taxes. Immigration tends to come in in two forms, those that add and contribute to our standard of living and infrastructure, and those that don't. Those that don't are often luxury seekers and the illegals. I don't know the split in numbers between the two, but, a government report highlighted that the population increase was a tiny percentage behind the increase in GDP, that means, total immigration didn't pay for itself by this tiny percentage of whatever trillion trade the UK does. Last time I was bothered to work it out, it was so many billion.

But what happens is, the services we receive reduce and the queues get longer, be it the trains, doctors, council services etc..

As for jobs that the pro immigration group says we won't do, I say it's just simply the way the market swings. Just means if pubs and restaurants can't get staff, then these close and the takeaway businesses continue to boom. Jobs are just moving from sector to another. So as the sales of CD's decline, former music shop workers are employed into other industries.

Then there's an element of society where working harder reduces their welfare cheques, so why work harder? Our Labour government under Gordon Brown found that out when he commissioned a study.

The many countries where unwanted immigration comes from, they breed at a much faster pace than you can take in.


So some countries like Australia and New Zealand have a much more robust immigration system, and when your visa expires, you are soon sent packing. When the US and UK suggest such systems, we're apparently racist, but, I say those here that want such a system are aware of what I just said about our standard of living and infrastructure, and the immigrants we want increases these, not erode them. And most importantly, can they speak English.

Just noticed a typo, population increase was slightly above the increase in GDP. GDP was lower.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Just got back yesterday from my first cruise. It was a five-day, four-night cruise out of Galveston with Cozumel as port of call. Great vacation, highly recommended.

Cruises are vacations in which a few thousand of travelers are served by a couple of hundred sailors and several hundred passenger facing crew members who work very hard to treat the travelers like kings. The crew members are housed in cramped quarters like sailors there and everywhere, and paid low-wages for long hours. They depend on tips to meet what is a near-universal goal among them: to send money home to their families.

My point?

It is easy to feel like an exploiter when being waited on hand-and-foot by these hard-working people, who are from countries like India, Peru and Kenya. Hard not to feel self-conscious about throwing away half of a buffet plate - or more correctly, leaving the half-eaten plate to be picked up by a person whose family may be experiencing real hunger (not "food insecurity). Hard not to wonder what the casino crew members think of all the cash Americans are willing to part with.

It is important to keep in mind that the reason those people are not able to simply work forty hours in their own country and support their families at home is that their countries are not enough like the United States. The less their economic systems resemble hours, the more poverty exists. American advocates of government regulation of business may not understand that, but illegal immigrants surely do.

The reason they can make money on a cruise ship is that the sea is the most libertarian part of the world, so their casino and bar jobs are not at risk of being banned by either religious conservatives or humanist social engineers, nor is the ship line is not required to pay them higher wages or provide health insurance.

If they were in the United States or if their country adopted the U.S. economic system, they could be land-based waiters, cooks, casino employees, retail sales people and most of the other jobs with cruise ship counterparts and they themselves would be able to afford an occasional cruise. So long as the cruise were crewed by people from other countries who had not adopted the U.S. system.

If all the nations of the world adopted our economic system, flawed though it certainly is, cruises would become much more expensive. People able to earn decent livings on land would demand the same on cruise ships. Bussers and hotel maids would still struggle economically, as would cruise ship stewards and table attendants. But, that is what provides the incentive for people to seek the education, training, and work records to move on up to higher paid jobs.

Anyway, my assumption was that the cruise line and/or the CBP required crew to stay on board to avoid their jumping ship and staying in the U.S. From what I now understand (and I could be wrong), they often sent crew members to the airport to fly them to a port where their next assignment wills start. But they don't seem interested in immigrating illegally, since they already have a job equivalent to a "job Americans won't do."

I'd like to see these hard-working people have a chance to live and work in the U.S. If I were benevolent dictator, I would decree that anyone who has worked ten cruises from a U.S. port can get a green card, so long as they agree to take no welfare. Then the next immigrant who applied for welfare could be told, "No need! A job just opened on the cruise ship Festivus. Bon Voyagee!"

They aren't cowards running away, they are hard workers, that come to this nation for opportunity and seasonal work, and then go back home when the work is done.

They are the best and brightest of their nation, and they come here, because there is nothing in their home nations for them. . . We know the corruption that plagues those nations, their elites, are just like ours, are now making this nation. And our elites sap the wealth and resources out of those nations.

I've met them when I was younger, they aren't bad folks. They are, in fact, quite conservative. Maybe if the Clinton's hadn't been so corrupt, and instead invested that money, there would have been hope. . . but look into that, the folks at the top love to rob the poor and powerless.

Michigan leans on migrant workers amid labor shortage

Migrant labor drives Michigan's economy, particularly in tourism and agriculture industries, which rely on workers from outside the U.S. to fill seasonal jobs.

www.mlive.com

". . . For 18 summers, Samuels has made the trip back to the historic Mission Point Resort overlooking the shores of Lake Huron.

“Mission Point is my home away from home,” he said. “When I go home, I look forward to coming back.”

Samuels is one of thousands of people from across the globe legally working in Michigan through temporary visas. Migrant labor drives Michigan’s economy, particularly in tourism and agriculture industries, which rely on workers from outside the U.S. to fill seasonal jobs.

Michigan is facing a labor shortage as the population gets older and businesses struggle to recover from the COVID-19 pandemic. Easing restrictions and creating a more welcome environment for immigrants could be the key to addressing Michigan’s labor shortage, which isn’t expected to improve anytime soon.. . ."


The point of fact here, is after legal fees, transport costs, plus these places are required to pay at least the federal and state minimum? Students, both High School and College ARE cheaper for the resorts to hire. For the cruses? I can't say. I do know, the students are responsible for their own transport costs to get to the ship.

Thirty years ago, the only place that used Jamaicans was the Grand, mostly for image, but it has always been very expensive to do. The elites, both conservative and liberal, liked being served by foreign black folks that spoke English. I'll leave you to figure out why.

Congratulations….you two win yesterday’s “hey look at me, I’m the wokest of all the wokesters” award.
You white guilt globalist whackos are the problem, you are why America has the illegal immigrant problem it has. You, and others like you, by way of public opinion, have made crooked politicians feel like they have mandate to allow illegals to invade our nation.
Look, these thirdworlders are their own worst enemy, these people can’t get out of their own way, they simply have too many children they can’t properly care for without breaking into a neighboring nations and fucking over taxpayers. The animal kingdom is smart enough to slow fertility when resources aren’t available, why aren’t human thirdworlders?

 

[DGS49]

I have been on many cruises and have had uniformly great service on all but one (more on that below). What makes the cruises exceptional is that the crew seems to WANT to make you happy. No matter what you want, they will do it, happily. In my case, they seem disappointed that I don't ask more of them.

And the way the tips work, they are pretty much mandatory and standardized, so they don't usually get an especially good tip for outstanding service. It's not like this chambermaid will get an extra few dollars for folding my bath towel into an octopus (or whatever) for my visual enjoyment.

This is one of several things that make cruises a pleasure. Those who disdain cruises for trivial reasons are losing out. They are generally wonderful. In my experience, NONE of the cabin crew or restaurant help are Americans. Americans just wouldn't perform that well for "modest" wages (I have no idea what they make). In the U.S., the only people who WANT to make you happy are the owners of the establishment, when they have occasion to serve clients directly. Sorry.

It is POSSIBLE that the crew members are "faking" their enthusiasm and friendliness, like prostitutes. I can't say one way or another. But if they are, they fool me every time.

My most recent cruise in the Mediterranean, was only the second cruise for the particular ship after the Pandemic, and the kitchen staff was not up to speed. The food in the mass-gathering venues was not great. For example, ten times I ordered eggs - over easy, and ten times I got eggs - sunny-side-up, overcooked. None of the other buffet food was great. Just filling.

P.S. the Covid restrictions, both on the ship and in port, greatly diminished our enjoyment. I won't do it again until...who knows when.

 

[MisterBeale]

Congratulations….you two win yesterday’s “hey look at me, I’m the wokest of all the wokesters” award.
You white guilt globalist whackos are the problem, you are why America has the illegal immigrant problem it has. You, and others like you, by way of public opinion, have made crooked politicians feel like they have mandate to allow illegals to invade our nation.
Look, these thirdworlders are their own worst enemy, these people can’t get out of their own way, they simply have too many children they can’t properly care for without breaking into a neighboring nations and fucking over taxpayers. The animal kingdom is smart enough to slow fertility when resources aren’t available, why aren’t human thirdworlders?

Your opinion might have some value if you actually cared about other people and the nation, and if you weren't such a xenophobe.

But, since you have no idea what you are talking about, and you are more scared of your own shadow than the future and others, and none of your thoughts are informed by facts of how this nation was founded. . . .

You can kindly go pound sand. My post had noting to do with illegal immigration or the illegal migrant problem. The folks I posted about follow the law.