Lessons From Sodom

[PoliticalChic]

the LORD shall SMITE thy SINNERS!!!!!!
look what happened to Las Vegas
the LORD loves to punish humans!!!!!!!!!!

Yet, here you are.

I am not a sinner because there is no such thing as sin---man MADE that up

This is what you said: "the LORD loves to punish humans!!!!!!!!!"

Succinctly, I proved you in error.


Now....as far as mankind deciding what was wrong to do....


Mankind agreed on what is ...sinful.....before 1313 BCE. That’s when He offered the contract, the Ten Commandments, acceptance of which sent mankind off to the races, producing the greatest culture ever known: Western Civilization.

Before Sinai and the Ten Commandments, there were the rules called the Noahide Laws, based on reason and a desire to be able to live with other people, laws against bad behavior, the idea that these injured society: bans on murder, theft, idolatry, sexual immorality, animal cruelty, cursing God, and the need to set up courts to punish the infractions. They are incumbent on everyone, whether one respects the Bible or not, because they are so obvious.
The benefit of the Bible is that it tells society how to be good.

“Noahide Laws, also called Noachian Laws, a Jewish Talmudic designation for seven biblical laws given to Adam and to Noah before the revelation to Moses on Mt. Sinai and consequently binding on all mankind.” Noahide Laws | Judaism


“According to Jewish tradition, non-Jews who adhere to these laws …are said to be followers of Noahidism and regarded as righteous gentiles, who are assured of a place in …the world to come, the final reward of the righteous.” Seven Laws of Noah - Wikipedia


So....no disagreement there.



The disagreement is whether the laws could be enforced in any society that lacks belief in God.

you proved my error-----hahahahhahahahahahahahahah
so god does NOT punish humans?

"so god does NOT punish humans?"

How about you answer that.

What is your punishment?




The implication of your original post is that punishment of mankind is the basis of the relationship between God and man.

Is that your belief?

 

[harmonica]

the LORD shall SMITE thy SINNERS!!!!!!
look what happened to Las Vegas
the LORD loves to punish humans!!!!!!!!!!

Yet, here you are.

I am not a sinner because there is no such thing as sin---man MADE that up

This is what you said: "the LORD loves to punish humans!!!!!!!!!"

Succinctly, I proved you in error.


Now....as far as mankind deciding what was wrong to do....


Mankind agreed on what is ...sinful.....before 1313 BCE. That’s when He offered the contract, the Ten Commandments, acceptance of which sent mankind off to the races, producing the greatest culture ever known: Western Civilization.

Before Sinai and the Ten Commandments, there were the rules called the Noahide Laws, based on reason and a desire to be able to live with other people, laws against bad behavior, the idea that these injured society: bans on murder, theft, idolatry, sexual immorality, animal cruelty, cursing God, and the need to set up courts to punish the infractions. They are incumbent on everyone, whether one respects the Bible or not, because they are so obvious.
The benefit of the Bible is that it tells society how to be good.

“Noahide Laws, also called Noachian Laws, a Jewish Talmudic designation for seven biblical laws given to Adam and to Noah before the revelation to Moses on Mt. Sinai and consequently binding on all mankind.” Noahide Laws | Judaism


“According to Jewish tradition, non-Jews who adhere to these laws …are said to be followers of Noahidism and regarded as righteous gentiles, who are assured of a place in …the world to come, the final reward of the righteous.” Seven Laws of Noah - Wikipedia


So....no disagreement there.



The disagreement is whether the laws could be enforced in any society that lacks belief in God.

you proved my error-----hahahahhahahahahahahahahah
so god does NOT punish humans?

How about you answer that.


The implication of your original post is that punishment of mankind is the basis of the relationship between God and man.

Is that your belief?

there is no god ----it was satire

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yet, here you are.

I am not a sinner because there is no such thing as sin---man MADE that up

This is what you said: "the LORD loves to punish humans!!!!!!!!!"

Succinctly, I proved you in error.


Now....as far as mankind deciding what was wrong to do....


Mankind agreed on what is ...sinful.....before 1313 BCE. That’s when He offered the contract, the Ten Commandments, acceptance of which sent mankind off to the races, producing the greatest culture ever known: Western Civilization.

Before Sinai and the Ten Commandments, there were the rules called the Noahide Laws, based on reason and a desire to be able to live with other people, laws against bad behavior, the idea that these injured society: bans on murder, theft, idolatry, sexual immorality, animal cruelty, cursing God, and the need to set up courts to punish the infractions. They are incumbent on everyone, whether one respects the Bible or not, because they are so obvious.
The benefit of the Bible is that it tells society how to be good.

“Noahide Laws, also called Noachian Laws, a Jewish Talmudic designation for seven biblical laws given to Adam and to Noah before the revelation to Moses on Mt. Sinai and consequently binding on all mankind.” Noahide Laws | Judaism


“According to Jewish tradition, non-Jews who adhere to these laws …are said to be followers of Noahidism and regarded as righteous gentiles, who are assured of a place in …the world to come, the final reward of the righteous.” Seven Laws of Noah - Wikipedia


So....no disagreement there.



The disagreement is whether the laws could be enforced in any society that lacks belief in God.

you proved my error-----hahahahhahahahahahahahahah
so god does NOT punish humans?

How about you answer that.


The implication of your original post is that punishment of mankind is the basis of the relationship between God and man.

Is that your belief?

there is no god ----it was satire

That certainly wasn't the belief of our Founders, America's Founders.

But....they do teach that in government school, don't they.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. Next, we get a hint as to what sort the people of Sodom were….and it appears that it is not homosexuality that is the cause for destruction of the city.



Lot, who had moved to the town, has two visitors. He tells them to stay inside his home, and they can leave early in the morning. “Lot’s suggestion the visitors leave early may have been due to his fear of what the citizens of Sodom might do to the visitors once they saw them.” Op.Cit.

19.4 They had not yet lain down, when the townspeople, the men of Sodom, young and old—all the people to the last man—gathered about the house.

19.5 And they shouted to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight?



Is it that the people of Sodom were homosexual???

“The sin that characterized Sodom’s evil society was cruelty to strangers. In this instance, they intended to rape Lot’s visitors.



19.5 Bring them out to us, that we may be intimate with them.”

“The word translated here as “be intimate with” is the Hebrew word yada, “to know.” In biblical Hebrew, when the verb “to know” is used to describe a man “knowing” a woman or a woman “knowing” a man, it is always a euphemism for sexual intimacy. Here the term “know” is used for male-male relations, and it means the same thing. There is no other way to understand the demand of the men of Sodom— they wanted to rape Lot’s male guests. The men of Sodom were not interested in getting to know the guests—what foods they liked, their hobbies, or what brought them to Sodom.” Prager


Is it possible that this could be the custom of an entire community?

Think about ‘no go zones’ in the world…and even in our country.

 

[harmonica]

I am not a sinner because there is no such thing as sin---man MADE that up

This is what you said: "the LORD loves to punish humans!!!!!!!!!"

Succinctly, I proved you in error.


Now....as far as mankind deciding what was wrong to do....


Mankind agreed on what is ...sinful.....before 1313 BCE. That’s when He offered the contract, the Ten Commandments, acceptance of which sent mankind off to the races, producing the greatest culture ever known: Western Civilization.

Before Sinai and the Ten Commandments, there were the rules called the Noahide Laws, based on reason and a desire to be able to live with other people, laws against bad behavior, the idea that these injured society: bans on murder, theft, idolatry, sexual immorality, animal cruelty, cursing God, and the need to set up courts to punish the infractions. They are incumbent on everyone, whether one respects the Bible or not, because they are so obvious.
The benefit of the Bible is that it tells society how to be good.

“Noahide Laws, also called Noachian Laws, a Jewish Talmudic designation for seven biblical laws given to Adam and to Noah before the revelation to Moses on Mt. Sinai and consequently binding on all mankind.” Noahide Laws | Judaism


“According to Jewish tradition, non-Jews who adhere to these laws …are said to be followers of Noahidism and regarded as righteous gentiles, who are assured of a place in …the world to come, the final reward of the righteous.” Seven Laws of Noah - Wikipedia


So....no disagreement there.



The disagreement is whether the laws could be enforced in any society that lacks belief in God.

you proved my error-----hahahahhahahahahahahahahah
so god does NOT punish humans?

How about you answer that.


The implication of your original post is that punishment of mankind is the basis of the relationship between God and man.

Is that your belief?

there is no god ----it was satire

That certainly wasn't the belief of our Founders, America's Founders.

But....they do teach that in government school, don't they.

and they were wrong--there is no god
..they thought slavery was ok---
..they thought women shouldn't vote
etc

 

[PoliticalChic]

This is what you said: "the LORD loves to punish humans!!!!!!!!!"

Succinctly, I proved you in error.


Now....as far as mankind deciding what was wrong to do....


Mankind agreed on what is ...sinful.....before 1313 BCE. That’s when He offered the contract, the Ten Commandments, acceptance of which sent mankind off to the races, producing the greatest culture ever known: Western Civilization.

Before Sinai and the Ten Commandments, there were the rules called the Noahide Laws, based on reason and a desire to be able to live with other people, laws against bad behavior, the idea that these injured society: bans on murder, theft, idolatry, sexual immorality, animal cruelty, cursing God, and the need to set up courts to punish the infractions. They are incumbent on everyone, whether one respects the Bible or not, because they are so obvious.
The benefit of the Bible is that it tells society how to be good.

“Noahide Laws, also called Noachian Laws, a Jewish Talmudic designation for seven biblical laws given to Adam and to Noah before the revelation to Moses on Mt. Sinai and consequently binding on all mankind.” Noahide Laws | Judaism


“According to Jewish tradition, non-Jews who adhere to these laws …are said to be followers of Noahidism and regarded as righteous gentiles, who are assured of a place in …the world to come, the final reward of the righteous.” Seven Laws of Noah - Wikipedia


So....no disagreement there.



The disagreement is whether the laws could be enforced in any society that lacks belief in God.

you proved my error-----hahahahhahahahahahahahahah
so god does NOT punish humans?

How about you answer that.


The implication of your original post is that punishment of mankind is the basis of the relationship between God and man.

Is that your belief?

there is no god ----it was satire

That certainly wasn't the belief of our Founders, America's Founders.

But....they do teach that in government school, don't they.

and they were wrong--there is no god
..they thought slavery was ok---
..they thought women shouldn't vote
etc

"..they thought slavery was ok---"

This is what you learned in government school.

Why did you never check the Bible itself.....lazy? Or cowardice?


1. " Africans played a direct role in the slave trade, selling their captives or prisoners of war to European buyers.[19] The prisoners and captives who were sold were usually from neighbouring or enemy ethnic groups. These captive slaves were considered "other", not part of the people of the ethnic group or "tribe"; African kings held no particular loyalty to them. Sometimes criminals would be sold so that they could no longer commit crimes in that area. Most other slaves were obtained from kidnappings, or through raids that occurred at gunpoint through joint ventures with the Europeans." Atlantic slave trade - Wikipedia


2. Not only is the above not endorsed by the Bible…..but it is expressly forbidden.
The aspects that identify what we call 'slavery' today, the colloquial meaning, are the following:

a. permanence of bondage

b. treatment as material assets

c. control of the life and death of the slave: the slave could be beaten to death

d. an escaped slave had to be returned to his master….as decreed in the Dred Scott Democrat Supreme Court decision.


3. None of the above are allowed to the 'slave owner' by the Bible.




Feelin' kinda stupid right now, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

This is what you said: "the LORD loves to punish humans!!!!!!!!!"

Succinctly, I proved you in error.


Now....as far as mankind deciding what was wrong to do....


Mankind agreed on what is ...sinful.....before 1313 BCE. That’s when He offered the contract, the Ten Commandments, acceptance of which sent mankind off to the races, producing the greatest culture ever known: Western Civilization.

Before Sinai and the Ten Commandments, there were the rules called the Noahide Laws, based on reason and a desire to be able to live with other people, laws against bad behavior, the idea that these injured society: bans on murder, theft, idolatry, sexual immorality, animal cruelty, cursing God, and the need to set up courts to punish the infractions. They are incumbent on everyone, whether one respects the Bible or not, because they are so obvious.
The benefit of the Bible is that it tells society how to be good.

“Noahide Laws, also called Noachian Laws, a Jewish Talmudic designation for seven biblical laws given to Adam and to Noah before the revelation to Moses on Mt. Sinai and consequently binding on all mankind.” Noahide Laws | Judaism


“According to Jewish tradition, non-Jews who adhere to these laws …are said to be followers of Noahidism and regarded as righteous gentiles, who are assured of a place in …the world to come, the final reward of the righteous.” Seven Laws of Noah - Wikipedia


So....no disagreement there.



The disagreement is whether the laws could be enforced in any society that lacks belief in God.

you proved my error-----hahahahhahahahahahahahahah
so god does NOT punish humans?

How about you answer that.


The implication of your original post is that punishment of mankind is the basis of the relationship between God and man.

Is that your belief?

there is no god ----it was satire

That certainly wasn't the belief of our Founders, America's Founders.

But....they do teach that in government school, don't they.

and they were wrong--there is no god
..they thought slavery was ok---
..they thought women shouldn't vote
etc

"..they thought women shouldn't vote..."

Are you a Republican?

After all, Republicans got women the right to vote, and this seems important to you.

 

[Larsky]

1.Central to the discussion, of course, is the issue of homosexuality.
Perhaps the discussion itself is redundant, as modern society appears to find such as simply peachy keen. I have friends who are of that persuasion, a few are homosexual, and a number of very conservative pals simply believe the issue is of no concern vis-à-vis government policy.

But, as the Bible is of fundamental importance to our Founders, and the in the memorializing documents of our founding, understanding the lessons in biblical teachings, it remains a pertinent discussion, if only in the abstract.



2. “In the New Testament (NT), there are at least three passages that refer to homosexual activity: Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10. A fourth passage, Jude 1:7, is often interpreted as referring to homosexuality. Jesus discusses marriage only in a heterosexual context when he cites the Book of Genesis during a discussion of marriage (Matthew 19:4–6 and Mark 10:6–9).” Homosexuality in the New Testament - Wikipedia



To expand my understanding of the Old Testament, Dennis Prager’s “Genesis,” is highly easy to read, and his is explanations include translating the Hebrew, …and Genesis 18 and 19 are….eye opening.

3. The Jews are not present in the Bible until chapter 11 of Genesis, indicating that the Bible is about all people. Abraham is the first Jew, selected by God, and in Genesis 18:19, God says he picked Abraham, and hints that what He is about to do to Sodom is a lesson Abraham should teach his children.

“…for I have chosen him, that he may charge his children and his household after him to keep the way of the LORD by doing righteousness and justice; so that the LORD may bring about for Abraham what he has promised him.’”

The question is why he is about to destroy the city of Sodom.

“The Torah revealed ethical monotheism, and this is the verse that summarizes what it means. For the first time, the Torah explicitly states God’s purpose for Abraham and his descendants: to do what is just and right and, implicitly, to teach it to the world.” Prager

Perhaps the concepts have changed in the modern world.

But….about the city of Sodom: Genesis 18.20 Then the Lord said, “The outrage of Sodom and Gomorrah is so great, and their sin so grave!




4. First is God's 'investigation' of Sodom, to see if it deserved destruction.
When Reagan said this about the Soviet Union, “Trust…but verify!,” it was almost an echo of the next verse, where God says he will double-check Sodom, just in case the people have repented.

“One lesson taught here is the need to establish facts before passing judgment; even God does so. One should not condemn, let alone punish, on the basis of hearsay. A second lesson is that God judges all people—and does so according to one set of moral rules. This was an utterly new idea in human history. Unlike pagan gods, who acted according to irrational and amoral whims, God is morally predictable.”
Prager



A Roman Catholic scholar, Father Edward Flannery, drew the same conclusion: “It was Judaism that brought the concept of a God-given universal moral law into the world . . . and willingly or not . . . the Jew carries the burden of God in history and for this has never been forgiven.” ‘The Greatest Hatred in Human History’

Wow!

Jews punished by Western Civilization for not allowing folks to be being able to pretend not to know right from wrong.

A couple of corrections are needed here, thumpy. The Bibles were not of fundamental importance to our founders. Many of the founders were decidedly non xtian and non-religious. As we know (excluding you from “we know”, part), there was no mention of any bibles in the Constitution drafted by the founders.

You have a continuing pattern of behavior where you insist on re-writing the Constitution and attempting to force your extremist religious beliefs on the founders.

Go away. Scoot.

LMAO @ "thumpy".

 

[harmonica]

you proved my error-----hahahahhahahahahahahahahah
so god does NOT punish humans?

How about you answer that.


The implication of your original post is that punishment of mankind is the basis of the relationship between God and man.

Is that your belief?

there is no god ----it was satire

That certainly wasn't the belief of our Founders, America's Founders.

But....they do teach that in government school, don't they.

and they were wrong--there is no god
..they thought slavery was ok---
..they thought women shouldn't vote
etc

"..they thought women shouldn't vote..."

Are you a Republican?

After all, Republicans got women the right to vote, and this seems important to you.

1. I'm American
2. they got it in 1920---long after 1776

 

[PoliticalChic]

How about you answer that.


The implication of your original post is that punishment of mankind is the basis of the relationship between God and man.

Is that your belief?

there is no god ----it was satire

That certainly wasn't the belief of our Founders, America's Founders.

But....they do teach that in government school, don't they.

and they were wrong--there is no god
..they thought slavery was ok---
..they thought women shouldn't vote
etc

"..they thought women shouldn't vote..."

Are you a Republican?

After all, Republicans got women the right to vote, and this seems important to you.

1. I'm American
2. they got it in 1920---long after 1776

"I'm American"
And?


"...they got it in 1920-"
...over Democrat filibuster.

 

[harmonica]

there is no god ----it was satire

That certainly wasn't the belief of our Founders, America's Founders.

But....they do teach that in government school, don't they.

and they were wrong--there is no god
..they thought slavery was ok---
..they thought women shouldn't vote
etc

"..they thought women shouldn't vote..."

Are you a Republican?

After all, Republicans got women the right to vote, and this seems important to you.

1. I'm American
2. they got it in 1920---long after 1776

"I'm American"
And?


"...they got it in 1920-"
...over Democrat filibuster.

hahahhahahahahahahahha
let me explain:I'm not Democrat or Republican or conservative or liberal--I'm pro-common sense/pro-America/etc

 

[PoliticalChic]

That certainly wasn't the belief of our Founders, America's Founders.

But....they do teach that in government school, don't they.

and they were wrong--there is no god
..they thought slavery was ok---
..they thought women shouldn't vote
etc

"..they thought women shouldn't vote..."

Are you a Republican?

After all, Republicans got women the right to vote, and this seems important to you.

1. I'm American
2. they got it in 1920---long after 1776

"I'm American"
And?


"...they got it in 1920-"
...over Democrat filibuster.

hahahhahahahahahahahha
let me explain:I'm not Democrat or Republican or conservative or liberal--I'm pro-common sense/pro-America/etc

Glad you dropped the slavery thing.

 

[harmonica]

and they were wrong--there is no god
..they thought slavery was ok---
..they thought women shouldn't vote
etc

"..they thought women shouldn't vote..."

Are you a Republican?

After all, Republicans got women the right to vote, and this seems important to you.

1. I'm American
2. they got it in 1920---long after 1776

"I'm American"
And?


"...they got it in 1920-"
...over Democrat filibuster.

hahahhahahahahahahahha
let me explain:I'm not Democrat or Republican or conservative or liberal--I'm pro-common sense/pro-America/etc

Glad you dropped the slavery thing.

ok......??
hahhahahahahahah
what?

 

[alang1216]

1.Central to the discussion, of course, is the issue of homosexuality.
Perhaps the discussion itself is redundant, as modern society appears to find such as simply peachy keen. I have friends who are of that persuasion, a few are homosexual, and a number of very conservative pals simply believe the issue is of no concern vis-à-vis government policy.

But, as the Bible is of fundamental importance to our Founders, and the in the memorializing documents of our founding, understanding the lessons in biblical teachings, it remains a pertinent discussion, if only in the abstract.



2. “In the New Testament (NT), there are at least three passages that refer to homosexual activity: Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10. A fourth passage, Jude 1:7, is often interpreted as referring to homosexuality. Jesus discusses marriage only in a heterosexual context when he cites the Book of Genesis during a discussion of marriage (Matthew 19:4–6 and Mark 10:6–9).” Homosexuality in the New Testament - Wikipedia



To expand my understanding of the Old Testament, Dennis Prager’s “Genesis,” is highly easy to read, and his is explanations include translating the Hebrew, …and Genesis 18 and 19 are….eye opening.

3. The Jews are not present in the Bible until chapter 11 of Genesis, indicating that the Bible is about all people. Abraham is the first Jew, selected by God, and in Genesis 18:19, God says he picked Abraham, and hints that what He is about to do to Sodom is a lesson Abraham should teach his children.

“…for I have chosen him, that he may charge his children and his household after him to keep the way of the LORD by doing righteousness and justice; so that the LORD may bring about for Abraham what he has promised him.’”

The question is why he is about to destroy the city of Sodom.

“The Torah revealed ethical monotheism, and this is the verse that summarizes what it means. For the first time, the Torah explicitly states God’s purpose for Abraham and his descendants: to do what is just and right and, implicitly, to teach it to the world.” Prager

Perhaps the concepts have changed in the modern world.

But….about the city of Sodom: Genesis 18.20 Then the Lord said, “The outrage of Sodom and Gomorrah is so great, and their sin so grave!




4. First is God's 'investigation' of Sodom, to see if it deserved destruction.
When Reagan said this about the Soviet Union, “Trust…but verify!,” it was almost an echo of the next verse, where God says he will double-check Sodom, just in case the people have repented.

“One lesson taught here is the need to establish facts before passing judgment; even God does so. One should not condemn, let alone punish, on the basis of hearsay. A second lesson is that God judges all people—and does so according to one set of moral rules. This was an utterly new idea in human history. Unlike pagan gods, who acted according to irrational and amoral whims, God is morally predictable.”
Prager



A Roman Catholic scholar, Father Edward Flannery, drew the same conclusion: “It was Judaism that brought the concept of a God-given universal moral law into the world . . . and willingly or not . . . the Jew carries the burden of God in history and for this has never been forgiven.” ‘The Greatest Hatred in Human History’

Wow!

Jews punished by Western Civilization for not allowing folks to be being able to pretend not to know right from wrong.

God had to 'investigate'? I thought he knew everything, past, present, and future?
Why destroy Sodom and not the Greeks, homosexuality and pederasty were accepted parts of their culture?

 

[PoliticalChic]

7. It is clear from the text that men having sex with other men in their own homes is not the cause for Sodom’s destruction….rather, it is acts that would be punished even in our most Liberal precincts: homosexual rape.

In any case, the extreme sins of Sodom are not homosexuality as such, but the criminal way it is used in this chapter of Genesis.



“The Hebrew word translated as “abomination” (to’evah) is the word the Torah uses to describe male homosexuality (Leviticus 18:22), among other sins. Because the one story told about Sodom and Gomorrah concerns homosexual rape, many Jews and Christians throughout history have identified the two cities’ overriding sin with homosexuality. But while the one evil act described here in the Sodom story is attempted homosexual rape,…” ‘Genesis,’ Dennis Prager.



If this is the case, and it appears clearly so, what argument do you government school Bible-haters have in response?

None?

Exactly.

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. Next is a truly shocking verse, where Lot, in an attempt to save the strangers, offers the rapists ….well…..watch this:

First Lot pleads with the rapists:

19.7 and said, “I beg you, my friends, do not commit such a wrong.




Next he offers….

19.8 Look, I have two daughters who have not known a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you please; but do not do anything to these men, since they have come under the shelter of my roof.”



“Lot’s offer strikes the reader as unbelievable in its depravity. Clearly, however, the men were not interested in women. Perhaps Lot knew this, and (viewing Lot’s behavior in the most charitable light possible) knew the offer of his daughters would be rebuffed but hoped to use it to buy a little time. As noted above, Lot’s response of offering his virgin daughters is proof the men at the door wanted to be sexually intimate with the male visitors in Lot’s house.




19.9 But they said, “Stand back! The fellow,” they said, “came here as an alien, and already he acts the ruler! Now we will deal worse with you than with them.” “The fellow” is Lot. The men of Sodom consider Lot, a relatively new resident, an “alien.” Like his guests, Lot is a stranger to whom the people of Sodom feel no moral obligation.” Op. Cit.



Like the worst horror film I could imagine!

 

[Penelope]

8. Next is a truly shocking verse, where Lot, in an attempt to save the strangers, offers the rapists ….well…..watch this:

First Lot pleads with the rapists:

19.7 and said, “I beg you, my friends, do not commit such a wrong.




Next he offers….

19.8 Look, I have two daughters who have not known a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you please; but do not do anything to these men, since they have come under the shelter of my roof.”



“Lot’s offer strikes the reader as unbelievable in its depravity. Clearly, however, the men were not interested in women. Perhaps Lot knew this, and (viewing Lot’s behavior in the most charitable light possible) knew the offer of his daughters would be rebuffed but hoped to use it to buy a little time. As noted above, Lot’s response of offering his virgin daughters is proof the men at the door wanted to be sexually intimate with the male visitors in Lot’s house.




19.9 But they said, “Stand back! The fellow,” they said, “came here as an alien, and already he acts the ruler! Now we will deal worse with you than with them.” “The fellow” is Lot. The men of Sodom consider Lot, a relatively new resident, an “alien.” Like his guests, Lot is a stranger to whom the people of Sodom feel no moral obligation.” Op. Cit.



Like the worst horror film I could imagine!

it shows how low Lot really was, how he was so unrighteous.

Also you never answered my questions, I can only imagine you couldn't.

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. Next is a truly shocking verse, where Lot, in an attempt to save the strangers, offers the rapists ….well…..watch this:

First Lot pleads with the rapists:

19.7 and said, “I beg you, my friends, do not commit such a wrong.




Next he offers….

19.8 Look, I have two daughters who have not known a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you please; but do not do anything to these men, since they have come under the shelter of my roof.”



“Lot’s offer strikes the reader as unbelievable in its depravity. Clearly, however, the men were not interested in women. Perhaps Lot knew this, and (viewing Lot’s behavior in the most charitable light possible) knew the offer of his daughters would be rebuffed but hoped to use it to buy a little time. As noted above, Lot’s response of offering his virgin daughters is proof the men at the door wanted to be sexually intimate with the male visitors in Lot’s house.




19.9 But they said, “Stand back! The fellow,” they said, “came here as an alien, and already he acts the ruler! Now we will deal worse with you than with them.” “The fellow” is Lot. The men of Sodom consider Lot, a relatively new resident, an “alien.” Like his guests, Lot is a stranger to whom the people of Sodom feel no moral obligation.” Op. Cit.



Like the worst horror film I could imagine!

it shows how low Lot really was, how he was so unrighteous.

Also you never answered my questions, I can only imagine you couldn't.

What question?

 

[PoliticalChic]

9. How about this question, ‘why didn’t God simply tell the people of Sodom to repent?’



This leads to highlighting what is wrong with a society whose morality is taught by government schools and the NYTimes. The question becomes, where do people get to learn what is right, and what is wrong?





“Abraham does not make a case that the guilty people of Sodom and Gomorrah be allowed to repent. Why not?

Perhaps because repentance is possible only in a society where the evil know what they are doing is evil. But in Sodom, the people, as we will see in Genesis 19:4-11—where it says “all” the townspeople participated in attempted rapes—had no cognizance of good and evil. Therefore, they could not consider themselves sinners and therefore would not even understand a call to repentance.

They were like modern-day Islamist terrorists—people who believe that they are doing good when they murder innocent people. Such people would not understand a call to repentance.

Concerning such people, the prophet Isaiah warned: “Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil, who present darkness as light, and light as darkness” (Isaiah 5:20) Prager, “Genesis”




If you’ve seen the Democrats who are claiming that Communist China is the hero of the Chinese Virus pandemic, you know who are “those who call evil good, and good evil, who present darkness as light, and light as darkness.”

 

[metalwolf]

Wow, nothing like refusing to live in the modern world...

So the Bible says homosexuality is a sin... an ancient book written by men... let's see... here are a few things the Bible says are okay, perhaps we should work them into modern society...

Death to those that commit adultery.

If an man and woman have sex during the time the woman is having a period they shall be punished by the community.

That if a man thinks his pregnant wife was unfaithful that he should bring her to the priest to be poisoned causing a miscarriage as a test to see if she really was unfaithful.

That it is appropriate to kill your rebellious children.

That not only is it OK to own slaves but that you can beat them to the point where as long as they don't die with 48 hours then you aren't guilty of anything.

That you can sell your daughters to others as a sex slave.

That a woman should be forced to marry a man that rapes her and the man has to pay her father money.

That it is OK for have sex with your daughters if "they got you drunk enough."

If a woman doesn't yell loud enough when being raped she should be put to death. But only if the woman is married, aka the property, of another man.



That's just a few of the glorious things...

Funny that the Bible condemns homosexuality between men, calling for their death, but make no mention of lesbians. Must be they're okay... I guess we know what kind of porn the men who wrote the book enjoyed...

All things being equal, I say we let the gays stay.

This.

The bible condemns a lot of stuff, but no one seems to pay mind to those passages.

The bible also mentions slavery, but seems people pick and choose what parts of the bible to follow and what parts to ignore.